McCain will draft your kids....got it????

[The Diest]

He, having spent 5 years being tortured, having rage issues, having war issues, having declared that 100 more years in Iraq is OK with him, having stated that There Will Be More Wars, will draft you, your children, your grandchildren. He doesn't give a shit because he will have a stroke and likely die before his first term would even end.

He doesn't give a crap about a national debt that he will never live to see repaid.

Grandpa teetering around on stage, hunched over and decrepit, just so unbelievably old and clueless as to the way the world is in 2008....holy crap.

The fact that he has even ONE supporter frightens me.

[Cronus Protagonist]

1. It's only Democratics who are calling for a draft

Better not to raise this subject during an election year.

[virtualobserver]

3. or ever.......maybe if we cut back to one war at a time, with an occasional side skirmish

[mrbluto]

2. Don't sink into sniping please.

McCain.

Is he old? Yes.

Should we brand him grandpa? No.

Should we chortle and yuk it up of the chance he'll have a stroke? no.

If for no other reason than shear pragmatism we should avoid sinking into that mode. It will create a backlash and add that much more justification for an attack tone from the Republican side. (not that they'll need one to do it, but it'll be tougher to call them on it.)

The better reason is that given the mood of the country and the challenges it faces this is one election to would be more useful to win on the issues.

Come to think of it that's how I'd always prefer the Democrats to win.

[elleng]

4. Win on the Merits!

Imagine that!

THANKS, bluto!

[notadmblnd]

11. and we all know where taking the high road has gotten Democrats in that past now

don't we?

[mrbluto]

12. There is a difference.

Between the high road as a tactic and the high road as a matter of principle.

You have to really believe in the high road for it to work.

If you commit to it, it can take you far, it will ultimately see you through.

If you take it with sincere conviction it will provide the spine and fire to do better.

Watch any Capra film.

[notadmblnd]

14. well movies are just that.

movies, they're not reality.

[KharmaTrain]

17. His Age Is An Issue

This is a man who has said numerous faux pas at the best or lies at the worst that call into question his ability to think clearly. He couldn't differentiate between Shiite and Sunni and admits he has no clue about the economy. I have a lot of respect for the elderly, but not in the capacity of having to clean up one of the worst messes this country has ever faced.

There are plenty of reasons Gramps should be soundly defeated this year...and the issues will be important, but we also have to pull into quesions about how he will deal with those issues and show the alternative. Age does make a difference...especially to younger voters who are not just an important new part of the Democratic party, but also the future...and that's how this election should be framed.

I don't wish any physical illness to afflict Gramps, I'd more prefer him to settle in with his trophy wife, her big money and a nice retirement.

[mrbluto]

20. It's the spin.

People are getting savy to it. It works less and less. And the price is too high.

Age is an issue, but calling him "gramps" is disrespectful.

Am I all torn up about hurting McCaine's feelings? No.

There are many people his age in this country and it says something to them when if sloppily use the term "Gramps" or "Geezer" or what-have-you to take wacks at him.

I actually liked, loved, and respected my grandfathers (and grandmothers. God rest all their souls).

It rings poorly to my ears to turn such honorifics into insults.

It also says something to every demographic, age, ethnic, creed, etc.

It says we look for the the differences and prey on them.

There are practical, pragmatic reasons age should be a consideration, but we don't have to be snide and snarky when discussing them.

Let's let the Republicans keep their monopoly on snideness if they want it.

[KharmaTrain]

22. It Does Work In Canvassing

I've worked with various campaigns over the years and had to fight both sides of the age issue...and it always is a factor. Be assured the GOOP will tar Obama as "too inexperienced" among other spin...but, unfortunately spin not only works it's how elections for "the middle" is waged. Repugnicans will vote for Gramps no matter if what...and many of them for selfish reasons (racism being near the top of the list). Issues are important, but, again, it's the judgement issue that people look to...as you say, they look beyond the spin...but they do keep it in mind when it's said often enough and there's proof that it is a consideration.

In the past few months, I've walked my Pleasant Valley Sunday neighborhood talking issues with various folks and many who are leaning against McCain are doing so because of his age...it was an issue during the primaries and still remains so in the general. The man is older than a vast majority of the electorate and his views and experiences are one of the past...he speaks it, he stands against change and he shows it.

Snideness and snarkiness is a part of the current political landscape...you're not gonna tune it out...or you do so at your peril. I wish there was a more subtle discourse in this country but that's not how people talk. Gramps is one of the nicer names I've heard people call McCain...and I won't even get into what's being said about Senator Obama.

The bottom line is that in all Issues, McCain had poor judgement...and that must be made an issue. Now is it ignorance or another reason he's so detached? The message people keep being attracted to this year is change...age IS change and one of generational change.

Cheers...

[mrbluto]

23. It's about steak versus sizzle.

You say "you're not gonna tune it out" regarding spin.

I don't suggest we don't recognize it or adapt to it, I'm saying don't consider it the first tool in any situation, or, failing that, depend on it.

At this point the most shocking thing we could all do is to promise "steak", deliver "steak", and let the "sizzle" happen naturally, rather than spend half the time we could have got more done going "wow - look at that steak sizzle."

At some point people get a overdose of being led to particular conclusions by the nose, and they get sick of the people who try to do that all the time.

[RB TexLa]

5. Only males, I'm sure he doesn't think women are capable of or should be in combat

A huge sexist wall that needs to be taken down.

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7. a huge sexist wall? so perhaps only females should be subjected to a draft?

or a draft should be inflicted on equal numbers of males and females?

that would remove this huge sexist wall? wtf?

a draft. are you kidding me? what exactly is your point?



your post. it confuses me...

[RB TexLa]

13. Not advocating a draft, but if there ever were one and in regards to volunteers

the sexist restrictions on combat assignments should be removed. And of course if there were a draft, which I do not advocate no gender or race should be exempted from it.

[Breeze54]

6. No he won't.

You are waaaaaay to optimistic that he'll be elected.

He's a LOSER!!!!

[Auggie]

8. He won't beat Obama -- that's for sure

[Rosemary2205]

9. Not a chance in hell

Grandpa hasn't drank nearly as much koolaid as he wants the nutjobs to think. Which means he's lying his ass off to get elected and you don't know what the heck really he'll do because he's willing to pander to the worst nutjobs on the planet to get power.

But the reason he won't get a draft is because America will keep just enough cooler heads in Congress to stop it.

[NNN0LHI]

10. I know a lot of parents who would vote for McCain if they thought he would draft their kid

Unfortunately not all parents are good people.

Thats the thing about parenting. Gotta have a license to drive or even go fishing but any moron can produce a kid and not take care of them.

Don

[Miss Carly]

16. those parents are stuck in the 50's

their parents were probably drafted and it made them into the fine individuals they became, they also had to walk 5 miles in the snow every day....uphill...barefoot.....

[Squatch]

15. I, for one, support compulsory military service.

If EVERYBODY had something to lose in the wars our country finds itself, maybe our leadership would be a little more restrained in engaging in armed conflict.

[NNN0LHI]

18. Compulsory military service is a charade

No one who has had connections or money has ever been drafted to go to war.

At least no one that I know of. Just doesn't happen in real life.

Don

[raccoon]

19. I agree with Squatch, response 15.

"No one who has had connections or money has ever been drafted to go to war."

True--but enough of Joe and Jane Sixpack's kids would be drafted that they would stop supporting imperial wars.

[NNN0LHI]

21. Unfortunately that is not the case

>>>True--but enough of Joe and Jane Sixpack's kids would be drafted that they would stop supporting imperial wars.<<<

I know plenty of parents that would be chest protruding proud to have one of their kids sacrificed to some ridiculous war effort.

Usually the kid who has some issues the parents don't want to deal with.

I have seen this scenario before.

Don