I'm going to say something about Mr. McCains comments...

[catnhatnh]

about telecom immunity....He says that first they would have to exhibit "heartfelt repentence"...
How easy is this shit to rebuke?
A.No corporation has a heart-a corporation is a legal fiction.Not a Human.
B.Repentence implies a moral judgement.A corporation is built to make profits.
C.Repentence can only be performed by humans.

In fact the telecoms have committed MILLIONS of felonies...and NOTHING changes that.

[rhett o rick]

1. For Democracy to survive, or to return, we must bring corporations under control.

The Constitution was written to protect citizens from corporations. The Con's have subverted this and now corporations are above the Constitution. That is by definition, fascism. Fascism is here people.

[MadMaddie]

2. A....but if I remember correctly I think it was the Supreme

Court who gave Corporations personship.....

Does anyone remember? Corporations can be treated as persons.....darn it...I wish I could find it.

[Glorfindel]

5. Some info here...

http://www.firstuucolumbus.org/corppers/cp2.htm

Before 1886, corporations were limited:

* For specific purposes
* Limited periods of time
* Could not own other corporations
* Accounting was public record
* Investors and owners were liable for all their decisions and actions

Then in 1886, a highly questionable U.S. Supreme Court decision began a process of granting constitutional rights to corporations as if they were living persons. With their rights as persons combined with vastly greater financial and legal resources, corporations now exert much more influence than living people on legislation and court rulings.

Since large corporations have considerably more resources - both financial and legal - than almost any individual, they are able today to act like governments:

* Energy corporations determine our energy policies.
* Automobile corporations determine our nation's transportation policies.
* Corporate polluters and resource extraction corporations define our environmental policies

[MadMaddie]

6. Thanks that's part of what i was thinking about.

I also thought something happened like in the last 7 years.

[Olney Blue]

3. And it can't just be repentence. It has to be heartfelt repentance.

:eyes:

[DaveJ]

4. In other words, he supports warrentless spying.

It's so transparent to anyone with a brain. He/they wants Telcoms to be the corporate spinoffs of Oliver North, to be perceived as heroes for doing the bad deeds the government orders them to do. He's counting on the FACT that most people do not know history, much less have the mental capacity to form a comparison between those these traitorous actions. Unfortunately the only people who will pay for the planned feigned "heartfelt remorse" are the employees of the Telcoms, who are already exploited people, and this will give them an added excuse. I've got to hand it to them, though, they really are ingenious at coming up with ideas to enslave the U.S. and getting voters to go along with it.