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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:00 PM
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Anyone listening to Thom Hartmann where he's saying he thinks ....
Edited on Tue May-20-08 01:08 PM by defendandprotect
Bush will try to attack Iran before he leaves office . . . ????

Meanwhile, Hartmann has also written a book on the Kennedy assassination with a co-author ...
and will be out this coming November --- haven't heard him discussing this.


Well... I think they'd have to declare Martial Law at the same time, otherwise I would hope that
most Americans would march on the Oval office and drag him out ?????

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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:04 PM
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1. One can only hope that prez shit-for-brains is not THAT arrogant.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:07 PM
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3. did you see the interview KO ran last night? the little cretin was smirking about
Edited on Tue May-20-08 01:08 PM by niyad
the question, one of those "all options are on the table" moments.

and I loved the bit about, "we have to keep iran from LEARNING how to enrich uranium"

so my question is, if iran doesn't even KNOW how to enrich uranium yet, what in the HELL is the problem? how are they a threat?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:51 PM
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13. Pakistan is more a threat than Iran.
it is all about the oil, and these thugs will kill for it.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:06 PM
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2. there are numerous posts on DU saying the same thing
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:07 PM
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4. He tries to keep the Kennedy assassination discusses limited in time -
Otherwise a small number of intensely involved people slam the phone banks and talk of nothing else...

I am very interested in resolving the HUGE disparities between the "accepted theory" and reality of the Kennedy assassination, but I do get tired of some of the blowhards who like to talk loud and long on this issue.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:12 PM
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8. I'm not familiar with any of Hartmann's past ....
Edited on Tue May-20-08 01:13 PM by defendandprotect
programs or inolvement with the JFK coup ---

Of course there is high interest in the subject --- it is one of the very extreme and overt acts
of political violence over the past half century and more which has brought us to this point where
fascism is crossing our threshold ---

And, while I wasn't listening closely, he also seemed to have cut off someone who mentioned the Bilderbergers --- because he sees it as "anti-Semitic" --- !!! ??? !!!

Hartmann verly clearly and strongly stated that this interest in the Bilderbergers was always based
in anti-Jewish fervor --- !!! ????

Did I mishear him???


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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:51 PM
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12. I did not hear this part. I haven't heard Thom talk about the Bilderbergers before
but I think of Thom as a pretty clear thinker. If he thinks that a topic has been pushed too hard in past by people who were anti-semitic he might steer clear of it, but if he thought there was some aspect of the issue that was reasonable and important he would allow discussion.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:29 AM
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25. What he was saying, as I recall it,
was that the underlying source of all the Bilderberger info/discussions was anti-Jewish --- !!!

And, that would be ridiculous ---


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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:08 PM
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5. Sounds like that's the topic for the final half-hour today.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:10 PM
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6. After the election. But only if Obama or Clinton wins.
Just like Pappy attacked Somalia in December after he lost.

Spite. That family is full of it.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:12 PM
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7. this would be a second book on JFK
i could have sworn there was already a book about JFK by the estimable Mr. Hartmann that was available at the book signing i went to last year:

http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Sacrifice-Robert-Kennedy-Murder/dp/0786714417/ref=sr_1_22?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211306689&sr=8-22

apparently he is now working on a new book on the topic:

http://www.amazon.com/Legacy-Secrecy-Long-Shadow-Assassination/dp/1582434220/ref=sr_1_25?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211306689&sr=8-25
available November 2008
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:12 PM
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9. march on the Oval office ??
Sadly, the chimp's approval rating will climb if he attacks Iran. So will McLame's.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:26 PM
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11. Well, then I presume his approval rating is increasing due to his attack on Iraq?????
I don't think that makes sense . . .
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 03:34 PM
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19. It did for the first year. Presidential
approval ratings have always gone up at the outbreak of wars. Americans rally around the flag and the leadership. It's only after things go in the tank that people start to ask questions. Starting a war is the Republican ace in the hole.

Historical Bush Approval Ratings:



http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:11 PM
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20. I don't see that we have a warmongering public; we have a warmongering administration ---
yes, 9/11 created fear/confusion . . . but most were against attacking Iraq ---

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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:22 PM
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22. The best part got cut off
The 20's

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Melynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:32 PM
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24. If that doesn't scream voter fraud
I don't know what will. President Shrub was at less than 50% in November 2004.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:31 AM
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26. I second that: "Election Fraud" by GOP/Bushco
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:54 PM
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15. I truly hope his approval ratings don't soar, or I have totally
Edited on Tue May-20-08 01:54 PM by alyce douglas
lost faith in the American people. What people applauding more death and destruction of yet another country.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:31 PM
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23. Well, Joe Biden has already said if bush tries it, Biden will start working on IMPEACHMENT
probably leaning on the House of Reps to get it done and sent to the Senate.

I would hope so. I would love to see bush leave office with that big blemish on his record. It's RICHLY deserved. Even NOW, without moving on Iran.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:13 PM
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10. Isn't it obvious?
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:52 PM
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14. he's quoting a Washington Post article, i think.
Tried to find it, but could not ... however, here's a link from the Jerusalem Post, via Huffington Post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/20/senior-israeli-official-b_n_102610.html

The Jerusalem Post reports that a senior Israeli official said that President Bush and Vice President Cheney are of the belief that military action
against Iran is necessary and that such an attack could be coming soon:

US President George W. Bush intends to attack Iran in the upcoming months, before the end of his term, Army Radio quoted a senior official in Jerusalem as saying Tuesday.


And if he does, Conyers WILL START IMPEACHMENT process

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/19/conyers-impeachment-if-b_n_92329.html

Speaking on Tuesday, Rep. John Conyers said that serious legal challenges to the Bush administration would not be off the table both before the president left office and after.

The Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee said he would pursue articles of impeachment for the president should he pursue war in Iran without Congress' approval.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:56 PM
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16. so the Congress will take action after the fact, come on
they had all this time to prosecute those WAR CRIMINALS.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 02:31 PM
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17. sigh! yeah, business as usual....
the only way to prevent it is for someone in the military, someone who has a brain and uses it for critical thinking, leaks the plans to the press. The uproar will be so huge that Congress will have no choice but stop it from happening.

I can only hope ....

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 02:33 PM
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18. Makes sense
That BushCo would set up the next round of thievery from the American coffers before he leaves... if he leaves...
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:18 PM
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21. Do you REALLY think the American People
would march on the White House for ANYTHING short of an interruption in American Idol? I don't.

Our fellow Americans are far too enslaved by their debts. They can't sit in. They'd lose their jobs. They can't lay siege to the White House. They'd lose their Sea-Doos, or their bigscreen LCD HD TVs. Velvet shackles, y'know?
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:36 AM
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27. Even Pat Buchanan shares that viewpoint on MSNBC
and his reasoning is sound. Pretty much that Petraeus keeps testifying that Iran is killing our troops, so what are you going to do Bush. That's the sentiment. Bush is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. If he bombs Iran, then everybody in the USA will hate him. If he doesn't bomb Iran and just leaves our troops over in Iraq in limbo, he looks too weak to do anything to protect our troops. The obvious solution, pulling troops out of Iraq, is one that he can't afford to take politically. Sad, but true.
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