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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:47 PM
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When did you know the Bush maladministration would be THIS bad?
It's not the end of his term, and he can always go even lower, but I think this is a good time for the question.

I knew right away that Bush was bad news. But for me, it was when Bush chose Cheney for VP. I knew then that this would be a no compromising, shameless, extreme right wing, out of control pResidency.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:49 PM
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1. Well, to be fair to Bush, it was Cheney who chose Cheney
I don't think we can blame Bush entirely for that one.

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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:50 PM
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Problem is:
Cheney chose Cheney.

Bush has had Cheney's hand up his ass working the levers for a long time.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:50 PM
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3. True I'm sure, but..
it was that announcement that REALLY got my attention.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:52 PM
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5. I hear you. Cheney's wife is just as bad.
Two peas in a pile of shit.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:50 PM
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2. As soon as I heard he was running.
I recall thinking that there was no way that loser asshole would get the nomination.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:51 PM
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4. SKOL!
Love me the Vikings!!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:53 PM
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8. ding ding....Winnah!
He has been a walking talking disaster zone from the day he first drew breath.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:22 PM
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32. Molly Ivans warned us in Summer of 2000 that the dude is a LOSER
He disparasged Ann Richards no end in a vicious Gov campaign...I will never forgive him for attacking a fine lady in an unmanly manner.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:38 AM
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57. never trust a beady eyed man.
we are paying for it now in more ways than one.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:13 AM
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65. Aye, Bush got Beady Eyes alright....just like them Rodents...
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 03:12 PM
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92. And living through his "governorship" was plenty warning in itself...
And I just used my 2000th post...
:hi:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:37 PM
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95. He put Texas in the RED when he was through...he was a Loser...still is
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:35 AM
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56. What Thor Said!
Once a loser always a loser. I knew we were in big trouble from day one of his campaign.
GAC
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:52 PM
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6. As soon as he was born. Even the stork knew he was a asshole.
Edited on Mon May-19-08 07:53 PM by MichiganVote
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:52 PM
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7. A year before (circa 1999)
My wife and I were out to dinner with another couple. A guy I've known since I was 3 years of age, and his soon-to-be wife.

They brought up Bush and the upcoming election.

That night, I predicted 2 things were going to happen:

1) Higher gas prices
2) War

Granted, I didn't know how that was going to happen if he got elected, but it did, obviously.

They laughed then. No laughing now.

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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:54 PM
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9. after reading "shrub" by Molly Ivans and
"The bush deslexicon" by Mark Crispen Miller
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:56 PM
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11. "Shrub" is a great book and I really miss Molly
Hi, proud patriot! :hi:
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:08 PM
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27. yep she had a lot of dirt on shrub
I miss her too :hi:
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:56 PM
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10. The day it was announced he had "won"...
The moment I heard it I was literally overcome with a huge feeling of dread unlike I had ever felt, even more than the time I was mindlessly assaulted by a 6' 7" pistol-armed moron and put in the hospital. I knew, down to the core of my marrow that we everything we have experienced would happen. I knew it like my own name. The wars, the financial hells, the rape of the economy, the loss of our rights...I knew then that his win was engineered so it could all happen. It was the blackest feeling I have ever experienced. I was sweating and bouncing off the walls in mindless panic. I tried to warn a few people and just got derision. A few years later, one of them, who was a big chimp supporter, told me I was correct in everything.

But don't ask me how I knew. I have no earthly idea. None whatsoever, to this day.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:36 PM
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22. And yet, I'm continully surprised at the new depths of awfulness.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:56 PM
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12. I always knew...but when the rest of rat horde started jumping
ship I knew it was over for him. Everyday it's something...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:56 PM
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13. WHen the Supremes handed it to them
back in 2000

I turned to my hubby, who was in the USN at the time and told him... I fear I will send you war before this is over
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:57 PM
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14. Immediately.
I was confident that the Democrats in Congress would oppose him tooth and nail, and do their best to put obstacles before him. I didn't think it would be this bad.

I knew we had a bad time ahead, though, on 9/11, when the nation "came together" behind his "leadership."
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:57 PM
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15. The First Debate
Then I found a site where Texas teachers were complaining about what he had done to the educational system and how the books were cooked. There was no doubt in my mind we were doomed.
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:08 PM
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16. When SCOTUS sold us n/t
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:10 PM
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17. When he announced he was running
Edited on Mon May-19-08 08:11 PM by Marrah_G
I told a group of friends he would win and start WW3.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:13 PM
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18. I claim no power of precognition
(ESPECIALLY long after the event). My premonitions of disaster began as the Florida Fiasco was unfolding.

"Although we may never know with complete certainty the identity of the winner of this year's presidential election, the identity of the loser is perfectly clear. It is the nation's confidence in the judge as an impartial guardian of the rule of law." US Supreme Court Justice John Stevens

pnorman
Full Disclosure: In 2000, I was an outspoken supporter of Ralph Nader. To me, the point of tha Nader movement was to send a SHARP message to the DLC, without being strong enough to defeat Gore. That was a perfectly safe move in Washington (but not necessarily in Florida). I offer NO apologies; I do the best I can, with whatever is known to me at the time.
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:22 PM
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19. I had lotsa doubts at the beginning...
but when he "won" his second term and declared he had a "mandate"...that's when I knew we were all in trouble.
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morningglory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:27 PM
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20. Week #1: he made it harder to declare bankruptcy and got out of the international
war crimes. Told me 2 things: whole lotta people gonna lose their ass in his economy, and there were going to be some kinda war crimes going on.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:30 PM
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21. God came to me and said "This guy is gonna be The Worst Bloody President...
Edited on Mon May-19-08 08:31 PM by Perry Logan
...in the multiverse of parallel universes of bad Presidents."

But I still can't believe how bad he is.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:51 PM
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88. God is English...
I always thought he was American
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:36 PM
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23. Before he was sworn in the first time.
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:50 PM
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24. As someone who suffered under 2 terms of him as gov
and found it hard to believe that he got nominated for governor much less elected and then the two stolen elections to the WH, it is hard to put a time when I knew that he would be this bad because I never believed he could be governor/president. It's like a bad dream maybe it's like Dallas or the Bob Newhart show and we will wake up once again in America. Oh Please, Please please!!!!!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:59 PM
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25. Bush II in more ways than one...
It was Daddy's Buddies from the get-go. Watching James Baker III screeching on my television screen during the "Florida Re-Count" gave me the willies.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:06 PM
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26. Before. But didn't fathom it would be THIS bad!1 n/t
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lifesbeautifulmagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:40 PM
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28. after he was appointed king by the supreme court
one of his first acts was to walk away from the Koyoto (sp?) treaty. I knew he was going to be bad, but at that moment, I knew it would be 100 times worse than I thought. And i still underestimated.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:35 AM
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44. He couldn't wait to show the world he had no sense of diplomacy
not only by snubbing Kyoto, but also by unilaterally withdrawing from major treaties, and even snubbing the South Korean president and Nobel Peace Prize winner when he came for a visit in February 2001.

Humble foreign policy, my ass.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:45 PM
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29. The moment he became appointee.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:47 PM
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30. When he was governor of Texas and sending people to the chair left and right.
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:15 PM
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31. When he ran away like a sissy on 9/11....and the lies he told to go to war
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sammythecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:28 PM
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33. That whole Karla Faye Tucker episode showed him
for the despicable asshole that he's proven himself to be.

Regardless of whether she was worthy of clemency or not, that case brought to light the thoughtless, uncaring, and cavalier attitude he had toward his responsibility as a governor making life or death decisions. I knew right then and there that I never wanted to have any beers with that bastard.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:33 PM
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34. Before the 2000 election. The threats from the GOP in the primaries was
extreme to the max.
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:47 PM
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35. When he was the governer of my beloved state.... -nt
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halliburtonsux Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:50 PM
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36. 7 November 2000
n/t
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:17 PM
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37. The moment I first saw his mug onscreen, prior to the first debates in 2000
I had a very very weird physical reaction. I haven't ever had it before or since. The pit dropped out of my stomach, my vision went double, and I had a severe sense of vertigo. These sensations lasted all of two seconds, but they were the longest two seconds I've ever experienced.

I knew then, no matter how bad anyone could possibly imagine this administration would be.... he would be worse.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:26 AM
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74. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he fore-go the GOP debates?
I remember a GOP debate in Texas that he didn't attend, and I thought that was odd. This was prior to his becoming the nominee.

Little did I know the fix was in and he would be anointed by the Supremes and Diebold...
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:58 PM
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38. forever
he's the biggest fuckup and most amoral asshole in history
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:13 AM
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39. Junta Day, 2000.12.12
I told a friend, we'll have to undo every judicial appointment, every law signed, .....
you get the picture, but, I must admit, I did not say every war!
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:32 AM
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55. Same here.
That was the day I knew every bad thing I had heard/read about the GOP would come true.
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neighborsteve Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:26 AM
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40. Not done yet.
At the Rose Garden press conference a couple of months back to introduce John McCain as the chosen one, Bush was asked in the post speechifying Q&A that followed about being an asset or liability for his boy, McCain, and he said, words to the effect, that he's got a lot to do yet. I'm sprintin' to the finish. I've got a lot of big things to take care of. --Said it with genuine enthusiasm, really upbeat.

What could make George so giddy with anticipation in the closing months as a lame duck? What could he do that would be consistent with his stance on the war on terror, in particular with respect to Iran, and boost the Chosen One's chances of winning in November? Something that most people would find surprising, again due to his being a lame duck? But also something that in retrospect would be oh so obvious and leave people slapping their brows and saying, why didn't we see it coming!


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:28 AM
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41. When I saw the press gaggle following CHENEY and his brief case
the first working day after the inauguration. :shrug:
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:29 AM
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42. I always knew he was BAD...but it was when he went after...
Iraq after 9/11 that I knew we
were REALLY SUNK.

It will take us a decade to recover.

(And my kids may have to make HUGE sacrifices
to complete college.)

Alas, just like myself in the early 80s!!!

Genteel poverty has its drawbacks.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:31 AM
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43. I retained a Vancouver, B.C. immigration attorney the day after the lying punk got the...
... magic number of delegates to lock up the nomination.

Does that count?


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:46 AM
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45. Wow. And I was sitting here laughing it off.
About as wrong as possible.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:18 AM
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70. If I had been in SF, I think I'd have done the same. However...
... I was up in Mendocino County at the time and, despite its reputation, it's pretty well jammed full of BushBot types. At least back in 1998 - 2000.

When their boy clinched the nomination, there was this huge wave of palpable, testosterone-fueled aggression from the locals and the imported rednecks alike.

They were doing celebratory donuts on the high school football field, expressing their individualism, each in his own identical Dodge Ram Priapic 4X4 Personal Penis Extender with optional 6,000-pound winch (600-pound wench?) and ceiling-mounted condom dispenser. And a DVD system for the kids, too, in case the condom dispenser happens to be empty one life-changing night.

All right; I made most of that up. But there was this new and uncomfortable undercurrent of barely suppressed violence that hadn't really been much in evidence prior to Bushie's triumph.

Anyone with normal powers of observation would infer, correctly, that Bushie brings out the very worst in people -- particularly young males -- and makes them want to act out against whichever group(s) happen to be on the shit list. And to the shock of nobody, in 2000 that meant anyone to the left of Trent Lott. The wingnut motor mouths stirred the pot and bumped their ratings with the dumb-as-a-post-and-proud-of-it demographic and, just like the recent incitement to riot in Denver by that revolting chicken-hawk lard-ass whose name makes me retch, they got away clean.

Just exercising their First Amendment rights, with 50,000 watts pumping their message of sleaze and hate to hundreds of thousands of mindless assholes who've been waiting for "the signal" oh these many long years and now -- thanks to the victorious smirking fraud and his chorus of wingnut acolytes -- the time is finally at hand.

The best way I can describe it to a San Franciscan is: Have you ever noticed that, back when the 49ers were a good team, after each game you could tell if they'd won or lost just by the level of aggression and road rage out on the streets.

If they won, there was plenty of aggression but not much nastiness. If they lost, though, the jerk-offs who live and die by the won/loss records of their local NFL team would go out of their way to drive like absolute assholes.

Since I drive like that pretty much all the time -- and football has nothing to do with it -- I fit right in. I'd trade raised middle fingers and clenched fists and, when distance and traffic conditions allowed, creative (hopefully) insults. All good clean fun but you really don't want to live like that every day.

So I'm thinking if this is going on in Mendocino, it's not much of a stretch to imagine it's going on in redneck klaverns all across this great enlightened land of ours. Turns out that was pretty much true, although the levels of direct confrontation and violence varied widely.

But the writing was on the wall, as the cliche goes. So I got some immigration lawyer recommendations, hired one, found a very informal realtor and took a trip. Incredibly, I didn't even have to worry if I had made it onto some no-fly list.

I've always loved B.C. The Southern Gulf Islands are my definition of paradise; the people in general are so much more interesting and interested; they're well-educated and because their mass media exposes them to a variety of different points of view, they tend to be less didactic and slavish to ideology than Americans.

Their wingnuts would be moderate democrats here, and they'd be at risk of losing their seats if they messed with any of the social safety net that still exists north of the 48th. They're even going to get rid of Harper at the first opportunity because, unlike us, they really hate neocon nuts and Bushie enablers.

Their violent and non-violent crime rates are comparable to those European countries where the people are generally happy rather than frustrated, suffocating under the corporate thumb, scared of losing the shitty little soul-sucking, benefits-free jobs they've got now and in the iron grip of debt slavery.

And of course there's a tale of two health care systems -- one a model of open, universal access that costs each Canadian about a third of the $7,027 per capita (as of 2007) Americans pay each year for the joyful experience of having claims denied and premiums raised. A system based on the principle that health care is a privilege and not a right. A system that triages on bank account and metes out capital punishment to an estimated 22,000 people who dies each year for the crime of lacking medical insurance. Achh... You've seen enough from me on that topic, I'm sure.

So many reasons, and the Canadian dollar was worth about 2/3 of the US dollar at the time.

Which meant I could buy this particular very-well-preserved and creatively designed 2,000 sq ft house on about 1/2 acre, mature landscaping and raised vegetable gardens, plenty of room to work at home, two lofts and full finished basement, quiet beyond anything available in my price range located anyplace else I'd want to live, with 270-degree views of Georgia Strait, adjacent islands, with the BC ferries carving their way through the channels with bow waves and rippling wakes catching and reflecting the sun -- all this, in October 2000, for $299,000 Canadian, or roughly $200,000 US. Incredibly, they were willing to consider offers. I would have been embarrassed trying to talk them down when the price was so reasonable already. However...

Despite the best efforts by my lawyer to "market" and "package" me properly, the whole immigration thing fell through because of two unresolvable issues that I just couldn't get around. That house sold in early 2001. I'd look it up on the web a couple times a week just to reassure myself that, if I managed to tell the right stories to the right people, maybe I could still pull all this off. When I checked in for the last time -- mid-February 2001 -- and it came up with a red ribbon saying "sold" pasted diagonally across the photo, it was a very lousy and lonely night in the land where pot growing, tractor pulls and partying till you puke compete for the title of Official Local Obsession.

Suffice to say, though, the longer I remain in the US and watch the Bushies inflict their particular brand of psychosis on the world at large, the better Canada looks. The better Venezuela looks, for that matter.

A friend just evacuated and moved to Costa Rica. Spent about three years building a house in the temperate zone, got everything set up to his satisfaction and bailed April 1. I haven't heard a word from him since, so I hope he hasn't been eaten by one of the local panthers or squashed by a falling tree sloth. You can read some articles of his, some concerning the move and all of which are hilarious, by going here, scrolling down to the search function a little ways down the left-hand column and typing in mark drolette -- no quotation marks needed. Droll, indeed.

I'm in full evacuation mode these days mainly because I think the entire Bush criminal syndicate is going to walk on the their eight-year global crime spree. I think all those laws and executive orders -- starting with the patriot act and with no end in sight (see below for a recent favorite of mine) -- will stay on the books, waiting for the next neocon Manchurian Candidate.

I mean, see if you can get through this entire article without your gag reflex kicking in. A brief teaser:

Today, more than 23,000 representatives of private industry are working quietly with the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security. The members of this rapidly growing group, called InfraGard, receive secret warnings of terrorist threats before the public does -- and, at least on one occasion, before elected officials. In return, they provide information to the government, which alarms the ACLU. But there may be more to it than that. One business executive, who showed me his InfraGard card, told me they have permission to "shoot to kill" in the event of martial law. InfraGard is "a child of the FBI," says Michael Hershman, the chairman of the advisory board of the InfraGard National Members Alliance and CEO of the Fairfax Group, an international consulting firm.


Jesus bleeding christ! Can you believe we actually live in such a place? An exit strategy seems wiser by the day.

So that sure got long. Kind of took on a life of its own.


And good morning to you, Elizabeth. Sorry to be so dour at this early hour. Maybe a bit of this will help.


:donut:


I usually reserve my foulest moods for late afternoon on deadline with not a single good idea left in my head and an editor bitching sarcastically over the phone about how I really used to have "it," but lately... Blah, blah, blah.


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:59 PM
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90. Good morning, Warren.
Amy reported the Infragard story. I can't summon the energy to be angry any more. The whole situation is sort of exhausting -- a reaction our owners mostly likely depend upon.

(When Gore used that expression, it always sounded extreme. Not so -- he was simply being accurate.)

That George Bush and the criminals he surrounds himself with fan an assortment of hatreds is indisputable. Most of us are a bit of luck away from being tasered in our beds. My sons are men but I worry about my three nieces, all under 14. This is the only culture they've ever known, the one they've learned to comply with. When their rights are abrogated, they will have no memory of a different, finer, more humane society with which to sustain themselves even in the quiet of their own mind.

If I could, if family obligations were more negotiable, South would be my direction. It won't happen, though. In my extended family, the adults that put up with raising me are all hitting their golden years and I can no more leave them (or the comfort of their stories, their memories) than chop off an arm or a leg. For the first time, survivalists make perfect sense to me. Unbelievable, how quickly we got exactly here.

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:02 AM
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46. when I realized they would make him president
back when I couldn't figure out why such a fucking idiot was running for governor of my state. I knew right then and there - I still remember the chill that came over me at that realization.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:04 AM
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47. The first time I saw him speak on tv
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:14 AM
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48. I was never 'political' before 2000. I voted cuz I was supposed to....
My college friends told me I needed to vote, so I did.

I did not enter political awareness until I saw b*sh's eyes. They scared the crap out of me. I'm talking visceral reaction... He had the scariest eyes......

I had I had 2 small children in 2000, I was watching TV while folding clothes. I saw b*sh while folding clothes His scary eyes... he freaked me out. Hubby didn't understand my concern, but told me he voted for Gore for me. I have been 'aware' ever since.


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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:24 AM
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49. I never anticipated that it could be this bad
Just about every day, I think they've bottomed out, but they usually surprise me. I thought I was cynical in 2000, but every time I look at the news I am a little more jaded.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:58 AM
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50. I was saying it as soon as I first heard a news story on CBS about him thinking of running ......
.... that was maybe 1998? I recall the story more clearly. Bob Schieffer reported it.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:50 AM
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51. 1998~1999, it was always apparent he was going to be the Republican Nominee
And it was clear for anyone who wanted to look that the man was going to be an absolute disaster for this country if he was elected. Of course he has never been elected President but all you had to do was look to Texas to see how much one man could corrupt a large government.
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:56 AM
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52. When the 2000 election returns were drawn out longer....
And the "winner" (HA! WIENER is more like it) was declared in mid-December. I was too shocked to figure out just what had happened.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:06 AM
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53. Way back yonder during the raygun early years
when the stories about the coke sniffing and the boys roaming the halls of the whitehouse I seen the making of another reaganite to take us further down in the years ahead. I smelled the rat early on with the bush crime family
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:28 AM
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54. 1989
Of course I didn't know Bush Jr. was going to steal the presidency back then, but I knew he was a ruthless, evil asshole.

1989 was when Bush borrowed $500,000 to buy an interest in my baseball team. He convinced the other investors into making him managing general partner of the team.

He then attempted to blackmail the city of Arlington into paying for a new stadium by threatening to take the team elsewhere. The city caved and presented the voters with a sales tax increase to pay for the new stadium. It was approved.

Bush and the other investors rammed through the Texas legislature a bill that created the Arlington Sports Facilities Development Authority (ASFDA), a quasi-governmental entity that was given the power of eminent domain. Shortly after the bill was signed, 13 acres of private property were seized for the Rangers' new ballpark, later prompting two lawsuits.

When one of the families whose land Bush seized won their court case, Bush and the other owners refused to pay the court-ordered $7.5 million settlement, leaving the taxpayers of Arlington to cover the debt.

When the team was sold to Tom Hicks in 1998 Bush evaded paying sufficient taxes on the sale.

Plus, he traded Sammy Sosa.

He's a douchebag from waaaaayyyyyy back.




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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:43 AM
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58.  am still in "shock and awe"
that it is so bad, and I am sure I don't know the half of it.
I find things nearly every day that apall me, and I am sure we will still be finding these buried landmines for many years to come.

2 things really bother me; Some people still like him!!!
He still gets respect from media-no outrage, no matter what he does.

I can't really believe it, but there it is.

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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:47 AM
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59. When he actually was taken seriously enough
Edited on Tue May-20-08 09:50 AM by ismnotwasm
To run for president. I knew he would suck and I knew there would be war. There is no way there wouldn't be, with the history behind him and that evil family

Edit;, Actually when I think about it, "this bad" was a growing realization. I'm not sure I realized just how incompetent and fucked up bush and co. were going to be until the Iraq invasion.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:56 AM
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60. i expected worse much sooner. but it all has developed.....
i never had confidence being a texas and knowing the dumb shit anyway. iraq and some other decisions confirmed.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:01 AM
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61. I thought he was incompetent during the debates, and during the Florida recount
I believed his moral integrity was lacking as well, I recognized right off the bat, the corporate media had camouflaged his many shortcomings as a national leader.

I figured out early the corporate media was slandering and libeling Al Gore literally without regard to the truth and there was a great evil going on as the American People were being deceived in mass by the same institutions which I trusted for my information since the days I started paying attention to the news while I was in the Marine Corps.

My last words before going to sleep upon hearing they called Florida for Bush was God help us all and I haven't been to church in years.



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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:03 PM
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82. I was stunned when Bush was making his first "victory speech"
And the media was acting like it was all so normal. Cried that night. I think some of my current depression is due to the Bush years.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:38 PM
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83. I don't mind being a little bit smarter than your average President but
when I'm much smarter it scares the hell out of me.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:01 AM
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62. When did Bush secure the nomination?
That is about when I knew how bad it would be. But I never, never thought he would actually win.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:08 AM
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63. I was told by Al Gore's first cousin that it would be this bad-BEFORE
election 2000. Mr. Gore (not going to use his first name here) told me that BushCo would probably try to steal the election n 2000, and if they did they would find a way to severely curb civil rights and possibly even impose martial law. He made loads of alarming predictions-and I thought at the time that he was a bit of a conspiracy nut. He's an extremely wealthy man with estates all over the world, and he said that he would "simply disappear" to one of them if Bushco took the election (we had some business dealings together, so that's why he forewarned me of all this). Sure enough, right after the SCOTUS declared bush the winner Gore DID disappear, and neither myself nor anyone I know who knew of him has heard of him since. I obviously think he was a bit more sane now than I did then-I just pray that his worst predictions don't come true before the end of the year.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:10 AM
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64. quite frankly, I thought we would all be dead by now
I thought the guy was a drunk dumbass before he was selected in 2000 and I feared he would accidentally hit the button or something.

Im surprised we made it this far.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:15 AM
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66. When he announced his first candidacy
Anyone with a brain can see he was a useless fucktool from day one.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:42 AM
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67. Seriously? When he chose Ashcroft for AG.
The 'consolation' prize for losing his senate race to a dead man.
My jaw actually dropped.
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:47 AM
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68. When I watched him being anointed despite his record.
Edited on Tue May-20-08 10:49 AM by bean fidhleir
Just a quick scan of his life history should have excluded him from consideration. That it was completely ignored by the elite media intent on annointing him was a real nudge in the ribs.

The closest he should ever have come to the presidency is being arrested for Malicious Lingering While Stupid on the pavement outside the White House.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:48 AM
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69. When poppy was elected prez...
I knew then and there one of his idiot sons* would be prez.

I live in texas, I lived through morons* reign as governor.

I know of what I speak.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:20 AM
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71. when the 2000 coup d'etat was allowed to happen
nt
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:21 AM
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72. It's a daily awareness...
I knew it would be bad, but each day brings a lower assessment.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:26 AM
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73. Before he stole the election..
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MadinMo Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:28 AM
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75. Being warned to get duct tape and plastic drop cloths
is what finally wised me up.

I realized then what a bunch of fools they thought Americans are (and maybe a lot of them are), and that I had just about bought into it. Infuriating.

I will admit I had not paid a lot of attention to him before 9/11. Slow learner here. But I "see" now.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:30 AM
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76. about the time they let the world trade centers be destroyed with those poor people inside!
Edited on Tue May-20-08 11:32 AM by wildbilln864
ETA: or rather when I realized they did it.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:06 PM
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77. The minute he announced his candidacy....nt
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:09 PM
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78. When the Supreme court decision went down...
Edited on Tue May-20-08 12:10 PM by rocknation
after a voting snafu in the state that just happens to be governed by Bush's brother. While I was certainly saddened by 9/11, I was not shocked.

:headbang:
rocknation
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:10 PM
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79. I knew he'd be a unmitigated disaster the moment he became governor of Texas
He hasn't let me down since.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:12 PM
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80. I knew&friend from TX knew when he became Gov-disaster
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:14 PM
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81. As soon as he was "selected" by the SCROTUS
...if the right-wing wanted their boy in THAT badly they had some really messed up stuff planned...
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:40 PM
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84. Florida; then just before being sworn in, "talking down" the economy to create recession
This is a little remembered first catastrophe of the Bush administration. Although the stock market was rapidly cooling toward the end of the Clinton administration, it was doing so in an orderly fashion.

Bush began day after day bashing the market, saying a crash was coming.

What's worse is that the then-slightly free mainstream media was reporting that it was a deliberate effort to create a recession as an excuse for his tax cuts.

I was like, WTF? You want to wipe out billions in worth and employment as a political ploy to justify tax cuts for billionaires?!?!?!?!

And idiots bought it -- losing thousands from their 401Ks to justify getting a $300 refund check.

That's when I knew he was going to be the worse president ever.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:40 PM
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85. When the nomination of Ashcroft as AG was announced
When a religious extremist is named as Attorney General, it is
a bad omen, and sho nuff, bad things started to happen (and happen,
and happen, and happen...........)
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:42 PM
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86. Spawn of Poppy and stupider than horse dung...
not hard to figure how that was going to end.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:49 PM
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87. I think it's all going pretty well...
:puke:
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:51 PM
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89. November, 2000 -- I had nightmares about going to war w/Iraq. nt
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T Monk Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 02:56 PM
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91. the second i saw his and his henchmen's faces
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 03:17 PM
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93. The day he announced
I didn't then think that the little snot had a chance in hell (well I couldn't believe that he did).
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 03:26 PM
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94. Downing Street Memo - June 2005
When proof surfaced that Bush lied us into war, and the entire Populace in the U.S. just rolled over and went back to sleep. That was the day Freedom died. "Bye-Bye Miss American Pie"....

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/06/17/forum/
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:58 PM
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96. Like love at first sight, only opposite.
There are several politicians who have always struck me as possessing a triad of arrogance, ignorance, and insular extremism that made me say "Stillwell". Bush did it for me as soon as I started actually paying attention to him, around 1998 or so. This cycle, it was George Allen. Fortunately, he had his "No Future For Stillwell" moment in 2006.

The interesting thing is that I'm coming up completely blank at picking the next one. There are truly few rising stars in the GOP. If the life cycle for one of these hemorrhoids is 6-12 years from major office to presidency, that's a pretty thin, thin bench.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:00 PM
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97. When he won the nomination. Just like with Mc Cain.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:01 PM
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98. In 2005,,,when I joined du
you have been my sanity!!
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:08 PM
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99. When he was Governor
And there was talk of his running for President. He pretty much has ruined everything he has ever touched and the Presidency and this Country are no exceptions.

L-
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:26 PM
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100. March of '01. Sadly, I had to have it pointed out to me.
When one of my (now ex, for not helping in '04) friends pointed out that Bush's Admin was essentially a recreation of his father's and Reagan's. "It's like some kind of scary dynasty," he told me, and when I looked it up myself, yep, sure enough...then I started to buy a clue that it wasn't just about putting a dumb, pliable conservative in office. He'd been put there for something more, and it probably wasn't a good something.
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