War With Iran Might Be Closer Than You Think

[Truth2Tell]

Rumors today in The American Conservative, so take it with as many grains of salt as you can.

For what it's worth, Giraldi has been right before.

Posted on May 9th, 2008 by Philip Giraldi

There is considerable speculation and buzz in Washington today suggesting that the National Security Council has agreed in principle to proceed with plans to attack an Iranian al-Qods-run camp that is believed to be training Iraqi militants. The camp that will be targeted is one of several located near Tehran. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates was the only senior official urging delay in taking any offensive action. The decision to go ahead with plans to attack Iran is the direct result of concerns being expressed over the deteriorating situation in Lebanon, where Iranian ally Hezbollah appears to have gained the upper hand against government forces and might be able to dominate the fractious political situation. The White House contacted the Iranian government directly yesterday through a channel provided by the leadership of the Kurdish region in Iraq, which has traditionally had close ties to Tehran. The US demanded that Iran admit that it has been interfering in Iraq and also commit itself to taking steps to end the support of various militant groups. There was also a warning about interfering in Lebanon. The Iranian government reportedly responded quickly, restating its position that it would not discuss the matter until the US ceases its own meddling employing Iranian dissident groups. The perceived Iranian intransigence coupled with the Lebanese situation convinced the White House that some sort of unambiguous signal has to be sent to the Iranian leadership, presumably in the form of cruise missiles. It is to be presumed that the attack will be as "pinpoint" and limited as possible, intended to target only al-Qods and avoid civilian casualties. The decision to proceed with plans for an attack is not final. The President will still have to give the order to launch after all preparations are made.

http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2008/05/09/war-with-iran-might-be-closer-than-you-think/

[Parche]

1. A Pre emptive Attack Is Dead Wrong

It is to be presumed that the attack will be as "pinpoint" and limited as possible, intended to target only al-Qods and avoid civilian casualties. The decision to proceed with plans for an attack is not final. The President will still have to give the order to launch after all preparations are made.
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I hope Congress is listening, pre emptive strikes are against all International and US Laws, and
US beliefs....up until the Bush Admin......

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

If they do something like this, I hope the masses, and I mean masses get to the streets, and we
stop everything......... :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :hi:

[Truth2Tell]

2. Didn't Biden promise us impeachment

if Chimpy went ahead with this much stupid?

[curious one]

12. Forget everything just think about the price of oil

it's over $126 a barrel today, it will go up over $200. Then price of everything else specially food will be out of reach ...

[99th_Monkey]

3. I just knew in my bones those Mo-F*ckers have been coniving to attack Iran, under cover

provided by the endless Democratic primary saturation coverage on TV.

Thanks again for dragging this out so long Hillary.
:sarcasm:

Damn. I'm not convinced this will actually help "Bomb,Bomb Iran" McCain's campaign, but since the only tool in the
neocon's toolbox is war, war and more war, I'm not too suprised by this.

[Mandate My Ass]

4. I'm starting to think so too

They're singing the same old Saddam H. songs over again, saying Iran's nuclear capability is estimated at 2009 rather than what the intelligence said. You know, the same intelligence they spend millions for each year. :eyes: According to "experts" quoted in Newsweek, Israel can't afford to wait for another president to come up to speed next year. It has to happen by the end of 2008 at the latest. Also blaming Iran for ongoing problems in Lebanon. Shee-yit, they're predictable.

[Truth2Tell]

5. From The Washington Post

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2008/05/a_secret_afghanistan_mission_p.html

William M. Arkin

A Secret Afghanistan Mission Prepares for War with Iran

Those predicting war with Iran or some Bush-Cheney October surprise attack on Tehran are constantly looking for signs of military preparations: a B-52 bomber that mistakenly takes off from North Dakota with nuclear-armed cruise missiles; a second or third aircraft carrier entering the Persian Gulf; a B-1 crashing in Qatar.

Since the most likely path to war with Iran is not Marines storming the beach but a strike on nuclear facilities and "regime" targets, signs such as these can often just be mirages. The true strike is not necessarily going to come with any warning, and the U.S. military has developed an entire system called "global strike" to implement such a preemptive strike.

A secret mission conducted last August over Afghanistan caught my eye because it tells us everything we need to know about the ability of the U.S. military to conduct a bolt-out-of-the-blue attack in Iran. It also tells us how useless such a strike might be.

On Aug. 12, 2007, four F-16CJ fighters took off on an 11-hour mission from Iraq to Eastern Afghanistan, crossing the airspace of six different nations, before dropping more than a dozen precision-guided bombs on Taliban targets. The crews of the record-breaking flight received the coveted Clarence MacKay Trophy for 2007, an award given annually for "the most meritorious flight" of the year.

More at: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2008/05/a_secret_afghanistan_mission_p.html

[curious one]

13. Are we forgetting about Russian warships in Caspian Sea and their pact with Iran?

Any attack on Iran is considered attack on Russia. I do not want to think about the outcome of such an attack.

[Delphinus]

24. Is Russia,

as splintered as it is, able to step up and not only defend Iran but take us on? I'm not saying this with any bluster, as I cannot stand the thought of attacking Iran. I just want to know if there's anyone out there who can kick the shit out of us - which is what we deserve!

[AngryOldDem]

27. There is also China. n/t

[samsingh]

28. we are trapped in Iraq

Russia is spending more modernizing its navy than in the soviet days.

and China is a hugely powerful.


... and we're stuck in Iraq.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

6. I rarely turn to prayer.

This warrants one.

[notfullofit]

21. I find myself doing

a lot of it lately.

[Oceansaway]

7. if this happens, President

Obama will have his hands full...i'll add this to my prayer list...



(fuk bush)

[truedelphi]

8. Yes, sadly he will. Part of the need to attack Iran will be to allow

The talking heads to start dumping once again on Barack being a Moslim, being "osama," swearing into the Senate on the Koran over and over until Hillary gets the nomination at the conveention.

I aslo fear they will start blocking discussions on the Internets.

And once they start doing what Hillary has been advocating, won't it make her look Presidential to the 29% of Americans who still support Bush??

[judasdisney]

22. Attack Iran = Hands Full W/Dollar Collapse = Zero Investigations or Prosecutions Post-Bush

They want President Barack to be very busy putting out fires.

[samsingh]

29. if bush launched a war on Iran at this date

and with dems taking over all the branches of government, would they not be able to try him for war crimes and illegal activities?

[annabanana]

9. oh fuckety fuck fuck... We CAN'T let this happen again.

Damn the blood drenched media for hiding the crimes

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

10. This will probably do wonders for oil prices - at least for the investors

and what will oil do if the situation starts to escalate?

[Disturbed]

11. What response would Iran, Syria, China & Russia have if

Iran is atacked?

[and-justice-for-all]

16. If they all worked together...

They would kick our ass.

[truth2power]

14. So the final decision on whether or not to attack...

is in the hands of someone with the emotional development of a 4 year old??? Jeebus! That's comforting. ;(

Not to speak of the fact that we're attacking ANOTHER sovereign nation.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

17. Bush has to hear from the voices in his head first - they call the shots

The same voices that told him to invade Iraq.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

15. Is this when we take to the streets

in protest? Or are the repukes counting on this to taint Dems as "terrorists"?

Perhaps the best thing to do (other than to support those who are trying to keep this from happening) is to let it play out and point out the stupidity of the move--how it makes the Middle East even more unstable, not to mention what it will do to oil prices (which, sad to say, is more important to many Americans than the lives of people over there.)

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Somalia right before Clinton took the oath

Junior will push the trigger, count on it.

The Bush MO

[Truth2Tell]

19. Right, "the decision is not final...

the President will still have to give the order."

Not final... :rofl:

[HuffleClaw]

20. not a chance

They aren't going to start the war themselves. They'll either have Israel do their dirty work or pretend they are responding to some sort of an attack. If it wouldn't be such an obvious ploy I would almost think they would pretend to have been attacked in the gulf by 'Iranian Gunboats'.

[Echo In Light]

23. Recent thread on this

Neocons and the Truth: Bitter Enemies to the End
By Glenn Greenwald

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3262012&mesg_id=3262012

[KharmaTrain]

25. So...Now It's Beacause Of Lebanon???

Talk about looking for any excuse. Don't these criminals have enough blood on their hands? The other day they thought they had captured an "Iranian" ammo dump...turned out it wasn't (probably loaded with American weapons...paid for by you know who) but that's not gonna stop this regime from trying to "bolster" Gramps and entangle this country further in the messes of the Middle East. It's sickening and sadly, I'm expecting an attack the minute Gramps polls start really tanking. Feckless, ruthless and stupid, the neo-cons know their days are limited and they're out to do as much damage as they can while they can.

[AngryOldDem]

26. And just how accurate will these cruise missile strikes be?

What will such an action give the Iranians license to do? Let loose with some megatons on Tel Aviv? I've thought for awhile that the Arab nations -- in their infinite patience tested over the centuries -- have been just biding their time, waiting for the perfect time to finally rise up. It's coming. We will be literally surrounded, fighting a war on all fronts, and we will NOT have the upper hand. We. Are. Fucked.

Really, in this case it won't matter who wins the White House in November.


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