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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 03:36 PM
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For those of you who watched Wright interview and disagree with what he said, please share
with us what exactly he said that you so profoundly disagree with him that you believe he deserves to be targeted the way he has been.

Thankyou for the details you can provide us so that we may understand better your concerns about Wright's possible influence on this nation.

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 03:47 PM
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1. I spent my last years of growing up in the south
"ran away from home" like I was shot out of a cannon as soon as I could, and confronted racism with a completely different flavor in Boston. I'm not just white, I'm Irish white, and it still hit me like a brick wall.

I heard nothing in Wright's interview to disagree with.

I think the people targeting Wright (other than people who are trying to discredit Obama through association) are people who have gotten all comfy with the idea that racism no longer exists, that we've all magically been able to shake off all residue of it, and that we'll stay free of racism as long as nobody is impolite enough to bring the subject up.

Although we got rid of most of the bad law on the books, social racism still exists in all its original ugliness. As long as we delude ourselves and fail to face that fact, it will continue to exist and as long as it exists, we're at risk for getting that bad law back on the books.

Rev. Wright is a treasure. I think more of Obama for defending him.

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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:02 PM
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2. Dude.... this is a McClinton thread


Let them spin this....

It amuses me. ;-)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:13 PM
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4. I didn't find anything I disagreed with, either. That's why I wonder if those who did
find disagreement would explain it to the rest of us.
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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:32 PM
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10. Right on, Warpy N/T
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:11 PM
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3. I incredibly disliked his myopic focus on black males, to the detriment of black females
He's all for black males becoming doctors and lawyers but to hell with the females. They can remain secretaries, right?

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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:03 PM
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5. Did he say anything anti-black females - if so I missed it
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 05:05 PM by dmordue
Encouraging black males to serve as role models isn't a bad thing and is more of a rarity than strong responsible females I think?
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:13 PM
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17. No. He completely IGNORED the African American female
Like she didn't exist or wasn't worth his time. It seems that only if you have a penis are worth saving by the good reverend.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:11 PM
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30. He did not
I suggest you watch both speeches again.

http://www.c-span.org/
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:11 PM
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6. I didn't hear that in his remarks. Do you have a transcript we can reference?
.
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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:27 PM
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8. What the hell are you talking about?

One of the biggest issues facing the black community is the lack of father figures for young black men. The absence of a father figure in a black male's life has a profound affect on the whole black community. Young black men are trailing behind young black women. Black boys need better role models. If you stopped any black boy on the street and asked him to name 10 black men who have influenced him in a positive way.... I bet he couldn't name 5.
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:15 PM
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19. What about strong mother figures? Women with professional jobs?
Or don't women count at all?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:58 PM
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15. You really need to elaborate on that.
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:14 PM
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18. See above. I watched the interview with hope, but got incredibly depressed at his EXCLUSION of
black women, like they didn't count. I wish I hadn't seen the interview. I had liked him before that.
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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:38 PM
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23. Are you a black woman?

I'm young black woman and I didn't feel excluded. Nobody that I asked who was black about last night interview raised that issue. Never in my life have I ever heard a black woman say they didn't have options. Most black women I know think they can do anything. ;)

So, you liked him during the whole "God damn America"? But, now dislike him because he feels black men need better role models?
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 07:11 PM
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26. It was an hour interview
You think everything was touched on? Go to the church website and read the number of programs aimed at women. I believe they also have females preaching. As in most churches I'd bet women are the backbone of Trinity and Rev Wright would be the first to praise them!

http://www.tucc.org/ministries.htm

And its not MSM white media haven't been lamenting the lack of attention to males. Good grief, after being ignored and kept down as females for a good part of my lifetime I'm amused by the past decade or so of crying about how boys are now lagging behind!

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:22 PM
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7. My problem is with Obama for not disclosing this relationship a year ago
Feel like I got sold a pig in a poke so to say.

Don
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:28 PM
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9. Why? What has Wright said that disqualifies his opinion anywhere in this country, let alone on DU?
The DU I have read for 7 years doesn't sound much differet from Wright, so would Wright be Tombstoned here?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:41 PM
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12. Why?
Because it would be to our advantage to have our presidential candidate talking about the economy, the occupations and about a hundred other issues important to all Americans on the lead up to the general election.

Not Rev. Wright.

Might as well have our candidate talking about the most recent shark attack while out on the campaign trail looking for votes.

What is so hard to understand about that?

Don
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:18 PM
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20. That's not his doing. Wright has been targeted falsely by those who DON'T want
Obama amywhere near the WH.

Why do DUers go along with the false smears made against Wright?
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:33 PM
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11. How did Obama hide any relationship, I thought his church was public knowledge and
I agree with blm, I can't see anything wrong with Wright's position?

Did you watch the whole interview?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:47 PM
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13. That is what Obamas chief strategist, David Axelrod said occurred
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/03/throughout-his.html

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright was an early concern, Obama aide admits

After he moved to Chicago in the mid-1980s to work as a community organizer, Barack Obama forged close ties with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright -- joining the pastor’s Trinity United Church of Christ in 1988 and using the topic of a Wright sermon, "the audacity of hope," as the title of his most recent best-selling book.

But more than a year ago -- long before some of Wright’s more incendiary sermons became hot-button videos on YouTube, forcing Obama to publicly renounce his pastor last week -- the Obama campaign had a sense that Wright's sharp tongue might spell trouble for the Illinois senator. (For a sermon sample, click on the Read more line below.)

That was the word anyway Sunday from Obama’s chief strategist, David Axelrod, who acknowledged during a conference call with reporters that Wright was disinvited ... from Obama's official candidacy announcement on Feb. 10, 2007, in the shadow of the Old State Capitol in Springfield, Ill.

Wright had been expected to lead an invocation of some kind, but never appeared.

There was no doubt that there was controversy surrounding him,” Axelrod said Sunday. “And we didn’t want to expose him … {or} make him the target and a distraction on a day when Sen. Obama was going to announce his candidacy.”
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:10 PM
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16. I view this more as a statement about our dysfunctional corporate media and their misplaced
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 06:11 PM by Uncle Joe
priorities than I do about Wright. Having watched the interview, I see nothing wrong with Wright's position or sentiments, what I do see wrong is a broken free press intent on reflecting anyone's perceived sty as a log while remaining blind to their own structural deficiencies. I believe their corruption is the fundamental reason, Bush is in power today.

Bill Moyers is a national treasure but unfortunately, he's virtually a lone voice crying in the wilderness compared to the numbers of would be journalists intent on misrepresentation, distortion, obfuscation and out right lying.

I believe the pig in the poke, is the corporate media.

There was no doubt that there was controversy surrounding him,” Axelrod said Sunday. “And we didn’t want to expose him … {or} make him the target and a distraction on a day when Sen. Obama was going to announce his candidacy.”


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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:26 PM
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22. Then how come the only ones I see expressing their deep love and admiration for Wright...
...are Obama and anonymous website posters?

Why don't Obama supporters like Ted Kennedy or John Kerry or other people with a name we can put with their opinions come out on cable TV and tell us what a great guy Wright is?

The media and the Republicans would just love that wouldn't they? They would have a freaking field day with it. That is why they went to mattresses and are hoping (praying) this all blows over. Which doesn't look like is going to happen anytime soon.

So we now end up with some of our top Democratic representatives who are afraid to come out and show their faces on the lead up to one of the most important general elections ever. Thats a good thing?

Don
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:45 PM
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24. Precisely because of my point regarding the corporate media,
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 06:48 PM by Uncle Joe
the political leaders know the power the corporate media wield in distorting the truth and there by putting their political careers at risk, by opposing them. I believe some political leaders are cowards when it comes to this, but I also believe some are making a Sophie's choice and believe they can most help the people even in a bad situation from a position of semi-power.

From the morning breakfast programs to the dinner time prime time news to late news and stand up comedians, and the midnight snack, the corporate media can spin reality, all to their designated demographics, they have all the bases covered. They can demonize, slander, libel anyone on the face of the planet, without recourse, they're our modern day equivalent of the African Sorcerers that can shrink penises, for women this would be the opposing genitalia. such is their power.

Edit for P.S.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3197520

Lynchings in Congo as penis theft panic hits capital
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:20 PM
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21. Concern, possibly, but why would you let the corpmedia make it a dealbreaker?
You surely can't be rolling over for corpmedia lies these days, Don.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:49 PM
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14. So --
Demand your money back.
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 07:03 PM
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25. Kee-rist! How many threads are gonna be devoted to to these sow's ear attempts?!?
Wright doesn't know when to sit down and shut up, EITHER.

He is no more palatable today than yesterday.

Get a grip.

On the Justice of Roosting Chickens, reflections on the consequences of U.S. imperial arrogance and criminality, is a book written by Ward Churchill published in 2003.

The "Roosting Chickens" of the title comes from a 1963 Malcolm X speech about the John F. Kennedy assassination, calling it "merely a case of 'chickens coming home to roost.'"
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 07:13 PM
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27. Why should he have to STFU?
IMHO he's been amazingly restrained. If most of us had been maligned in this way by the f'ing media we'd be defending ourselves from the rooftops!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:06 PM
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28. As YOU stand in support of Dominionists maintaining political influence on DC's elite
Yeah - lecture me. While you side with Dominionism's grip on power.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:10 PM
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29. So then why don't you just answer the question then?
"The "Roosting Chickens" of the title comes from a 1963 Malcolm X speech about the John F. Kennedy assassination, calling it "merely a case of 'chickens coming home to roost.'""

And Rev. Wright was quoting a white guy on Fox News when he brought it up, so why isn't your issue with Fox News?

As if I didn't know.
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:21 PM
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31. I agreed with him on everything I heard......
I missed the end because my kids were going nuts.....I do have to point out one thing that I most agree with him on that many here and on the outside want to ignore...His statements on apologies. Folks act as if it is not their responsibility to give apologies or that African Americans today don't deserve them. People act as if sins of the past belong in the past, but they don't realize that if we don't truly make amends we will never truly progress. Nobody wants to talk about this.
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