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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:28 PM Original message |
Why cars aren't getting any better mileage and maybe even worse.. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. Right, and that's why I get as few tchotchkes as I can get away with |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
53. I know what you mean, I just had to pass on the lead tires on my new car. ;) |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. That doesn't even begin to address the increasing weight of the PASSENGERS. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Perhaps.... |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. I have a 1994 Nissan Sentra |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
54. New from Lotus the Wideus... |
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slor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-25-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #2 |
60. LOL...you made me laugh... |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-25-08 06:01 AM Response to Reply #2 |
66. BS!!! It's my belts that have shrunk over the years!!! |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
4. Another direct quote.. |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
5. I was getting over 38mpg (hwy) in my 1984 Civic |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. The first Civcs weighed 1500 lbs.. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
7. Because more efficiency allowed more power for the same mileage |
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LondonReign2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
9. Only drive downhill |
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LondonReign2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
10. Only drive downhill |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
11. I knew a guy who lightened a Honda CRX |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Even more effective .. |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Good point |
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lectrobyte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. A hybridized CRX? Honda did that already, called the Insight... |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
13. Ethanol also decreases mileage. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. That's because ethanol provides less energy per unit volume |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. It a win win situation, less mileage per gallon, higher prices. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Really? I could have sworn I got better mileage with ethanol |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Yes... |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 03:01 AM Response to Reply #17 |
42. I think ethanol was touted as being good for gas mileage |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. It also disrupts petro states |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Much of our diet is corn based whether you know it or not. More corn based |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:00 AM Response to Reply #27 |
36. Yeah, but we can feed the corn waste to the cows |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #36 |
50. You need to read Michael Pollan's book "In Defense of Food." |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. The net energy gain from ethanol |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 05:44 AM Response to Reply #23 |
45. You do know that the single biggest foreign source of oil for the US |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Yup. But by sucking up so much oil... |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
16. Thats right! The engines are getting more effecient... |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Heres another video |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
19. What about speed limit? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. That's not really germane to the discussion.. |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Efficiency is no different, but... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. As I pointed out.. |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. What I meant was... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Not necessarily.. |
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Mnemosyne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:16 AM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Questions re: use of overdrive. |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:40 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Answers for OD |
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Mnemosyne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 08:19 AM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Thanks, CRF! between you and Fume, it is much clearer now. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 02:19 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Overdrive is designed to lower the rpm of the engine at cruise speeds. |
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Mnemosyne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 08:17 AM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Thanks, Fume! You have a great way of simplfying it. |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-25-08 04:31 AM Response to Reply #28 |
64. So... |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-25-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #22 |
61. You are ignoring the increased drag associated with higher speeds |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-25-08 12:47 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. The xA isn't that much of an aerodynamic car either. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-25-08 01:22 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I already pointed out several times |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
34. From my observaiton, it seems that lower powered cars get more mpg at 55mph |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Engine friction rises very quickly with rpm |
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BigDaddy44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
31. Cars are safer |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. not to mention |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Mostly they're heavier because |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #33 |
55. no one is saying a light car can't be safe... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. If you watch the program I linked to.. |
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Onlydem (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
38. replying to why cars are't getting better fuel mileage |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 04:56 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. What exactly is |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 02:35 AM Response to Original message |
41. The 1908 Model T got 25 mpg. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 04:59 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. The Model T was quite light.. |
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mucifer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 06:41 AM Response to Original message |
46. The prius is fairly big (about the size of a camry) and gets |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 07:03 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Curb weight on a Prius is about 2800 lbs.. |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. Wow - that's heavier than a 1968 Mustang |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. LOL.. Citroen DS |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
52. I saw the start of this program and had to leave at about fifteen minutes in. |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-25-08 12:12 AM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Thats the problem when you live in the city. |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-25-08 04:59 AM Response to Original message |
65. Hey Fumesucker, you should see this! |
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