Hartmann: Midwest earthquake conspiracy theory

[GregD]

Did anyone listen to the story from the Russian media that Thom Hartmann just read? Holy shit!

This is just nuts but the short version they are claiming was that a US bomber was taken down by dissident forces within our military, that Northcom has been overtaken, and that we have a civil war within our military.

Does anyone have anything on this? It sounds totally off the wall, but WTF isn't off the wall, or out of the range of possibility in the past 8 years?

[muryan]

1. I would say this is off the wall

Not only did I feel the quake, but Im within earshot of Wright Patterson Air Force Base and I haven't heard a change in the number of planes coming and going all day.

[Orrex]

3. That's because they're using stealth aircraft, you fool!

Either you're woefully uninformed about the truth of our military's extraterrestrial-based technologies, or you're in on it!

I, for one, suspect fnord the latter!

:tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat:

[Extend a Hand]

4. We too are in the practice pattern for Wright Pat

as well and haven't seen or heard any activity at all.

[muryan]

11. Theres a plane that loves flying over my house every other day

at about 3 am. Not familiar with plane types but its some cargo plane, and its really really fucking loud at that time of day :grr:

[nashville_brook]

2. holy crap! that's insane. Thom Hartmann said this?

as if an earthquake in chicago isn't strange enough.

[Gold Metal Flake]

7. This not NOT a Hartmann theory.

From the OP: "...story from the Russian media that Thom Hartmann just read?"

He has read wild conspiracy theory stories from the Russian press before as a chuckle. He likes to poke fun at extreme tin foil stuff from time to time.

[nashville_brook]

8. yeah -- i got that. was wondering why/in what context...

if he was chuckling at this, that's a different story.

[Gold Metal Flake]

17. He is reading it again.

He said "That is what the people in Russia are being told, that there is a civil war in the US. Very strange". So, I see his question. Why are the Russians telling their people this? What is Russia up to? They are tying the earthquake to the unusual flight of nukes across the US recently, to a covert Iran nuke strike. Are the Russian people being conditioned to a future war with the US?

[nashville_brook]

23. well, seems like the war in Afghanistan, and our interest in oil from the Caspian

might spark Russian antipathy. this has been a worry of mine from the beginning of the Iraq war: that we (the people) are no longer paying attention to what's going on around the Russian border region. And, don't forget, Condi Rice's expertise is Russian relations. I would be surprised if she hasn't been meddling in that area during her long absences from Middle East issues.

i'm going to have to listen to the podcast of this show, now. my interest is piqued.

[SpiralHawk]

27. No one ever got the truth on the flight of the bombs across the USA, did they?

This is still a republicon homelander SECRET of some sort of shit.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/sep/06/usa.simonjeffery

"As many as six nuclear warheads, each with a destructive potential almost 10 times that of the Hiroshima bomb, were mistakenly flown across the US, Pentagon officials conceded yesterday.

"The incident last week saw nuclear-armed cruise missiles mounted on the wings of a B-52 bomber and flown from an airbase 40 miles below the Canadian border to the southern state of Louisiana. The 1,500 mile journey from the Minot airbase in North Dakota to Barksdale in Louisiana lasted three and a half hours, during which time the crew were unaware of their nuclear load..."

[warren pease]

33. Here's a few old DU threads on the subject; lots of good and otherwise unknown stuff.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1765351

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1814496

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1832026

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1748011

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1751295


Note that there's no consensus in any published reports on whether five or six showed up at Barksdale. Note that there is consensus among active and retired Air Force personnel who've handled nukes for a living that this incident, happening exactly as it's described by Air Force investigators and involving the usual incredible series of coincidences that seem to accompany anything nefarious that Cheney touches, is simply impossible given the security and nuclear weapons transport protocols in place to prevent exactly this sort of "mistake."

Caution: Conspiratorial paranoid ramblings follow; read at your own risk and do not operate heavy machinery for at least an hour.

Personally, I think Cheney became the world's newest nu-ku-lur power that week. Personally, I think the president of vice may be planning to use this dial-a-death toll nuke to create the next false flag op. I think this black op, which will be carefully placed for minimal property damage and maximum terror, will be blamed on a group of Iranian radicals and certain American collaborators who'll be affiliated with either the peace movement or the 9/11 truth movement. I think it will a) provide an excuse to implement martial law in the US, b) provide an excuse to nuke Iran, c) provide an excuse to suspend or cancel elections and keep the Bush regime in office past next January, d) provide an excuse to disband congress as an impediment to the war on terror (not that they're doing much as an impediment to Bush, but you never know...) and e) finally activate all those laws and presidential directives and executive orders and secret agreements, using Blackwater and other private armies as the enforcers, and lock down this country like a Stalinist wet dream.

Or maybe not... You just never know with these bastards. And they're not being impeached and/or under indictment because...?


wp

[Taverner]

28. Thom Hartmann is very good at seperating the BS CT's from the real ones

I consider him an authority :)

[lapfog_1]

5. Would the claim be that a nuclear explosion happened

somewhere in Illinois?

Nukes have a particular seismic signature, and it's VERY unlikely that one would go off without someone somewhere making a "uh, hey, wait a minute" comment.

Do the Russians have tabloids???

[Richard D]

10. Pravda

has pretty much become a tabloid. Take a look. http://english.pravda.ru/

[warren pease]

30. Unfortunately...

...the devolution of formerly reputable newspapers like the NYT and WaPo make Pravda look like a beacon of journalistic integrity.

Then there's that hilarious "debate" on ABC, the descent of CBS news from the pinnacle to the sewer, the fact that Fux Nudes was born in the sewer and refuses to leave, CNN's change of focus from badgering movers and shakers to stalking D-list celebrities... the list is just about endless.

The fact that John Stossel is a network star while Bill Moyers speaks the truth to every one of his 157 viewers on PBS speaks volumes.

On balance, I'd say the chances of US mass media covering actual news are about the same as Pravda being accurate on this particularly story.

The chances of both US media and Pravda getting it right are roughly the same as the chances of a Murdoch-owned US TV or radio station changing its programming to all opera, all the time.

And that would be because the Fux programming execs discovered that opera had suddenly become hip among their usual audience of morbidly obese, anti-intellectual, dull-normal slobs. Any day now...


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[tnlurker]

12. They probably think that it was some sort of Tesla weapon

That was used against the bomber and inadvertently caused the earthquake. Although I haven't read the story.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

13. HAARP????

[Daphne08]

15. I was just wondering about that. n/t

[tnlurker]

16. Maybe HAARP

There could be smaller versions though. I really don't believe that that is what caused the earthquake. I am just speculating what the Pravda story might be about.

[Fox Mulder]

22. I don't think a nuke went off at a depth of 11.6 miles...

[lapfog_1]

34. Exactly... and that signature would be seen by

seismologists outside the US. Meaning a nuke would be obvious and reported.

[NewJeffCT]

6. I think that's a reach

but, who knows.

[femrap]

9. I'm sure there are

groups within the military who are pro-nuke Iran and anti-nuke Iran.

The quake was a branch of the New Madrid fault which is HUGE. If that sucker blows, Memphis will be gone. St. Louis.

When the New Madrid fault moved in the 1800's it changed the course of the Mississippi river....rang church bells in Boston....felt as far as Montreal.

Mother Nature is much more powerful than any military.

[csziggy]

14. Not the New Madrid zone, but a bordering area

According to the USGS:
"This large region borders the much more seismically active New Madrid seismic zone on the seismic zone's north and west. The Illinois basin - Ozark dome region covers parts of Indiana, Kentucky, Illinois, Missouri, and Arkansas and stretches from Indianapolis and St. Louis to Memphis. Moderately frequent earthquakes occur at irregular intervals throughout the region. The largest historical earthquake in the region (magnitude 5.4) damaged southern Illinois in 1968. Moderately damaging earthquakes strike somewhere in the region each decade or two, and smaller earthquakes are felt about once or twice a year. In addition, geologists have found evidence of eight or more prehistoric earthquakes over the last 25,000 years that were much larger than any observed historically in the region."

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsus/Quakes/us2008qza6.php#summary

But this is getting sort of spooky to have so many earthquakes in this area in one day:


http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsus/Maps/US2/37.39.-89.-87.php

[nashville_brook]

26. so, this 5.4 magnitude quake rivals the largest one in history.

prolly the fact that it was so deep made it less destructive?

[lovuian]

18. I believe the Russians this is not the only article coming out

of Russia

they believed US Military factions took out a US Spy Satellite that was the Peruvian Crater Mystery
I video documented the story
It was intriquing and yes US Military rebelling as the US Nukes being transported is another crack in the US Military


http://youtube.com/watch?v=jangQC7w9rY

[nashville_brook]

21. that's quite an interesting vid.

i'd heard about the Peruvian Crater and the illness. that it would be a satellite of any kind makes a whole lot more sense than, say, a rock from outer space (causing the illness).

just the fact that we found out about the 6 rogue nukes, to me, points to the possibility that there's a schism in the military.

[LibertyLover]

19. Oh good grief

The first earthquake I ever felt, was in my University of Chicago dorm room on Blackstone Ave, not far from the Midway, one afternoon. Small quakes are relatively common in the area. If I remember my geology right (it's been a long time, rocks and stones were still in beta testing), while it's not the New Madrid fault system (and thank goodness, because when that one goes it will be a major freaking disaster) but one of the ancillary fault systems. Oh well, it's sort of comforting to know that the Russians have their own version of The Weekly World News.

[Fox Mulder]

20. The earthquakes were at a depth of 5.9 - 11.6 miles.

Here: http://www.iris.edu/seismon/

[RB TexLa]

24. Wouldn't just be easier to say Karl Rove has an earthquake machine to go with the hurricane machine

he used to cause Katrina? :shrug:

[Strelnikov_]

25. Russians are very good fiction writers

Sounds like someone is marketing a script to Hollywood.

[spanone]

29. the russians are coming the russians are coming

[Ichingcarpenter]

31. Michelle Obama is being blamed..... no shit

She was in the area at the time.

[Cleita]

32. Hartmann says he's going to put the link on

his home page within the hour.