Pentagon: Colleges must hand over names

[Joanne98]

By Rick Maze
armytimes.com
Staff writer
Wednesday Apr 2, 2008

The Defense Department has announced a new get-tough policy with colleges and universities that interfere with the work of military recruiters and Reserve Officer Training Corps programs.

Under rules that will take effect April 28, defense officials said they want the exact same access to student directories that is provided to all other prospective employers.

Students can opt out of having their information turned over to the military only if they opt out of having their information provided to all other recruiters, but schools cannot have policies that exclude only the military, defense officials said in a March 28 notice of the new policy in the Federal Register.

…continued

http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/pentagon-colleges-must-hand-over-names/

[babylonsister]

1. Jeebus. Is it fascism yet? nt

[TechBear_Seattle]

9. "Yet?" Where the bloody hell have you been?

It's been fascism for quite some time (thanks to the collusion of the Democrats in Congress.)

[SpiralHawk]

2. 'Special" Exceptions: Bush & Cheney family memers

Republicon chickenhawks will be spared.

[mike_c]

3. getting desparate for cannon fodder it sounds like....

eom

[Squatch]

4. "they want the exact same access...that is provided to all other prospective employers"

I've got no problems with this.

[SammyWinstonJack]

11. You wouldn't.

:eyes:

[FreepFryer]

12. How many other prospective employers require killing, and don't allow their employees to quit? (n/t)

[treestar]

13. Agreed, they aren't exactly an "employer"

Or are distinguishable from normal employers.

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. What they are conveniently leaving out

is that under current policy, the military has MORE access than other prospective employers. The military is given names of "prospective employees" when they are 12 years old. This handover of names is mandated under No Child Left Behind. Now how many other employers are allowed to recruit 6th graders?

[sam sarrha]

5. i hear they are relentless and call you at home..

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

6. I believe they are already getting info from colleges, even in visiting them with the possibility of

applying.

I have two sons, 17 and 21 and we receive lots of calls here, even though I requested that their high school didn't give the Feds the information. That's why I suspect that their names were released from colleges.

The last call we received was from the Marines for my youngest, and my older son answered the phone. He told them that his brother was very politically active and they wouldn't want him!

[lonestarnot]

7. Heh! Wouldn't WANT him! LOL

:rofl: GOOD! :applause:

[sam sarrha]

8. remember the HS kid that told them he was strung out on Weed/crank.. they took him to a head shop an

got him the stuff to drink to pass their drug test.. and he video taped them

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

25. There is this from my local ABC news in NY! Questionable military drug testing uncovered

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=investigators&id=4725999

Friday, November 03, 2006 | 11:25 PM
Eyewitness News Investigators Exclusive
By Jim Hoffer

(New York- WABC, November 3, 2006) (WABC) -- Just how easy is it to pass a drug test to join the military? The Eyewitness News Investigators went undercover and discovered if your test comes back positive for drugs, it's not necessarily a problem.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

15. lol! I raised 'em right!

:rofl:

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. You have to notify the school every year and fill out a special form

to keep the recruiters from getting your kids' names.

When my kid was in high school, the recruiters came to his school one day and he called them on a lie they were telling the kids. So he got in trouble and was sent to the VP's office for being rude to the recruiter. The VP threatened to call me. My kid said "You must not know my mom very well. She will probably be proud of me for what I said." LOL

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

24. Big pat on the back here for your kid! I did notify the school in writing every year.

My youngest didn't start getting calls until he visited a small college in PA. My older one, once he enrolled in college, which is part of my state's university system.

[proud2BlibKansan]

30. I had to call the recruiter's boss

This guy was an ass. He called when he knew we (the parents) weren't home. He came by our house when he knew we weren't home. I told him several times to stop calling and finally I called his boss. That was a fun conversation - NOT.

About 3 or 4 years later, my son started dating a nice girl and her parents had a birthday party for her and invited us. So we got there and introduced ourselves and the girl's father said "Oh you might not remember me but we have talked on the phone several times."

IT WAS THE RECRUITER!! And yes, he was still an ass. No, I wasn't sorry when that relationship broke up. I lived in fear of my kid getting more and more serious with that girl. LOL

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

33. We get calls from different recruiters (and from my conversations with them, not local),

and they don't seem to be as persistent as to what you're describing.

You have no idea how happy I am that my oldest son has a long time girlfriend who is very politically awake. It makes life around here so much easier. :hi:

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. There is a guy who is a regular at Camp Casey who was a recruiter for years

He has told some horrible stories. He says it was just like any other sales job, only he was selling death. Needless to say, he is a very outspoken peace activist now.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

36. I am so happy that he found his soul.

[proud2BlibKansan]

20. They started calling my kids when they were 14 years old

And now they start contacting kids at age 12.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

26. Unfrigging believable. I wonder if Romney's strapping sons still get calls?

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. Of course not; they have already signed up!

Now that Dad's campaign is over, they have surely done the right thing!! :sarcasm:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

31. ....

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[windbreeze]

37. oh yes....many, many times...

And telling them the kids weren't interested, didn't interest them..(ok, I'll fess up, thousands of times may have been over the top)but....I had 3 teen agers at the same time...you have no clue, how many times we were called at home, and they called for the girl, every bit as much as they did the 2 boys...wb

[Firespirit]

10. Turn over the College Republicans' membership lists to them

I'd be fine with that.

[searchingforlight]

14. This looks like the perfect business opportunity for someone.

Start a Head Hunter group that just brokers jobs between industry and universities. The business sector gets more pre-screened applicants, graduates get more access and the US military is circumvented AND SOL.

[Rage for Order]

16. Why would this be controversial?

Either you provide information to all recruiters or you don't. College students aren't kids, they're adults and are able to make informed decisions. It's easy enough to get information on any prospective employer, including the military, simply by using the internets. They're old enough to vote, drive, enter a legally binding contract, and buy alcohol but they're too fragile and naive to be exposed to a military recruiter? I don't buy it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

22. As soon as all the other jobs carry the same risk of injury and DEATH,

then I support equal access. And as soon as 100% of the military recruiters tell the truth, I support equal access.

Until then, I will speak out LOUDLY about my tax dollars being used to support lying to college kids.

[Rage for Order]

23. Um, other jobs DO carry the risk of injury and death

Granted, most office jobs don't, but do they allow police and fire departments to recruit? FBI? US Marshals? Construction Project Manager-type jobs? I'm pretty sure that anyone who talks to a military recruiter is aware of what type of work the military does.

Do you think military recruiters are the only recruiters who lie to college ADULTS?

[proud2BlibKansan]

32. They are the only recruiters who have access to the kids when they are 12 years oid

So their outrage is bullshit.

I would also argue that anyone they talk to knows what kind of work they will do in the military. I know too many stories of recruiters lying to kids. My friend's son was told he would do data entry at a military base close to his home (he had a computer science degree). He was sent to Iraq straight out of boot camp and put into combat the day he got there. Another kid I know was told he would be a mechanic, also stateside. He went to Iraq straight out of boot camp, also in combat.

Sure most employment recruiters are not honest but military recruiters send our kids to jobs that KILL THEM. Big difference from a sales job. lol

[BlooInBloo]

17. Good thing for Congress to pass a law about.

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. Gee how many of those other employers are recruiting the students to come and DIE

What a crock of shit.

[Eric J in MN]

27. Colleges shouldn't be handing out any info unless the student opts IN. (NT)

NT

[Indenturedebtor]

28. I don't see a problem with this

By the time people graduate from College and need work they should be able to make an informed decision about who to work for. :shrug:

Now the highschool recruiting and whatnot is not ok imo.

But guys if we don't let them recruit they're going to "get" their soldiers. Would you rather they recruit or draft? A lot of countries draft every single citizen that can wiggle all their digits.

[proud2BlibKansan]

34. I support a draft with an option for community service

Let them join the military OR work in an outreach capacity in a high poverty area OR work in an urban school OR at a food bank OR any other job serving their community or their country. Make it mandatory for every kid at age 18 or when they graduate from college.

[varelse]

38. Ah, yet another reason to vote for "the Democratic nominee" in November

Federal funding can be cut off if colleges and universities do not give recruiters and ROTC programs campus access. While student financial assistance is not at risk, other federal aid, especially research funding, can disappear if a school does not cooperate.

The Pentagon can declare colleges or universities anti-ROTC if they prohibit or prevent a Senior ROTC program from being established, maintained or efficiently operated.

The new policy is, in part, the result of a 2006 U.S. Supreme Court decision that upheld the federal government’s ability to use funding as a means of forcing equal access for military recruiters and ROTC units on campuses.

[Hugabear]

39. Get the military OUT of our schools and universities

If they want to set up their recruiting stations inside shopping centers, malls, etc - let them. I'd even be willing to allow them to participate in high school and college "career days" or job fairs. But why in the hell should we be allowing the military to have FULL TIME STATUS at our educational institutions?