John McCain Just Ran his 3AM Ad On Countdown!!!

[MadBadger]

Does he realize how much of a wasted investment that is? Lets run an ad slamming the dems on THE cable news show for Liberals. Real Smart John.

[TheUniverse]

1. Not to mention that add will be lost on anyone who doesnt know about Hillary's ad.

Its not 3am its 8:30PM...

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Just saw it...

:puke:

It seemed to me almost like satire, only really lame.

[spanone]

3. i thought it was a joke in the beginning......pissing in the wind

do they think countdown fans are gonna be swayed by such silliness?

[Ichingcarpenter]

5. I thought it was a run in joke to the ODDBALL segment

the 3 am add was a joke from the beginning, Penn most of come up
with both of them since his second in command at his business
works for McCain.

[DesertRat]

4. Did you see how bad he looked in the last shot

It was a closeup black and white photo of his face looking old, scarred and bloated. That was supposed to be reassuring?

[notesdev]

6. You can tell how they want to portray him

based on which side of his face they show. If they show the right side of his face, then they want to give him good press; the left side, bad press.

[DesertRat]

7. It was a closeup of the left side

I don't know what you mean. Why does his campaign want bad press?

[notesdev]

8. Did they really??

I didn't see it... but if they really showed the distorted side of his face, they messed up good. He looks really nasty from that side, the other side of his face looks normal.

The only thing I can think of is that maybe they're trying to subliminally push McCain-as-"war hero", but IMHO more people will be grossed out by his face than will make a voting decision based on his experience in Vietnam. Getting shot down multiple times and captured by the enemy does not a hero make.

[DesertRat]

9. Well he didn't get the facial scars as a POW

He got them from melanoma cancer.
I don't know what he was subliminally trying to push. But it certainly won't work on Countdown viewers! :rofl:

[notesdev]

10. Doh

It's even dumber for them to remind people of his cancer.

[JerseygirlCT]

11. Fine by me

Let him spend his money and throw it away on a really wasted ad.

[unknownone]

12. ad spending

in comparison to Obama and Clinton throwing away their money on fighting one another and weakening the democratic party though, i don't think an ad by McCain will make much of a difference... actually I am just as to the left as the rest of you but I plan on voting for McCain... I am just tired of the division among the democrats and don't liek clinton for personal reasons. As far as Obama, he is too inexperienced and raises too many questions. I am just glad the GOP put a moderate up for once

[Ichingcarpenter]

13. Troll alert!!!

[unknownone]

14. I am not a troll

I am not a troll... I am just a moderate leaning liberal is all... I want to end this Bush disaster of a presidency but I am not so sure (at least until I get more information) that Mccain really will be another Bush term

[bdamomma]

15. welcome to DU unknownone!!

you're welcomed to your opinion but if you want more of same vote McSame, he is just another clone of *, does this country need anymore abuse and war and division.

[lonestarnot]

19. Oh fuck that shit! And troll is too nice for your ignorance.

Stank stank stank.

[orleans]

30. no shit. we got enough going on here between all of us without

these republikas pissing around.

[blondeatlast]

58. You want to end the disaster of a Bush presidency--so you are going to vote for another Bush.

Stick around--you ought to be great fun here! :rofl:

[tnlefty]

16. Could you please explain to me how McSame gets the "moderate"

label attached to him?

He wants to stay in Iraq indefinitely even if that means 100 yrs.

He originally opposed the disastrous Bush** tax cuts but now he thinks that they should be made permanent.

He was originally against torture but has reversed his position on that even though he experienced it himself.

Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.

Pandering to the insane elements of the so called religious right.

Welcome to DU, BTW. :hi:

[unknownone]

17. McCain moderate

I base it mostly on his voting record... remember he was the one leading the gang of 14 and the one with the comprehensive immigration reform that would create a pathway to citizenship... I think you bring up a lot of good points tnlefty but those are primarily to get the conservative base to support him which is essential for him to do well with the GOP voters.. his actual governing style though I feel will be more in line with a moderate view

I used to be a conservative Republican (many many years ago... so I actually did vote for Reagan twice but after Bush I and with Clinton coming in I just couldn't support voting that way anymore and saw how awful they really were (in my view))) and still have many conservative friends... so I have seen how it works with the messed up GOP and their allies

so I think most of that is just politics and as my conservative friends have told me they don't like Mccain at all so he must be at least somewhat of a step in the right direction

I think if the GOP is successful with someone like McCain they will start shifting further and further from the right in order to get votes and toward the middle, perhaps (over a long time) to the moderate-left, so we would have effectively two left leaning parties which I think would be great

[Zorra]

44. McCain's voting record is undeniably hard core right wing, If you know how to use a search

engine, go to google.com and type in "john mccain voting record".

A list of websites about John McCain's voting record will pop-up on your screen.

If you can read and comprehend (even at the most basic level!), the information that you find there will make it quite clear that McCain is an ardent supporter of George W. Bu*h's policies, and that he is, without a doubt, a neocon fascist.

[unknownone]

48. hed have to say so

You will not please the party faithful by dissing their current president... remember McCain considered running with Kerry in 04... that should say something too

[blondeatlast]

61. We're really sweating that 29%--and just WHICH party faithful are you referring to?

You are going to be fum--glad I discovered you early!

[Zorra]

66. OK, maybe using search engines to find information is a little too technical.

Simply point the little arrow you move around on your computer screen with your mouse right onto the blue or purple writing below, left click it with your mouse, and you will be directed to John McCain's voting record! It's very simple.

http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=53270

I'm sure that you will find that John McCain has been a very consistent supporter of Bu*h policy, and his record is undeniably radical hard core right wing.

[Vanje]

67. It was all a devlishly clever ruse

to get the rightwing to accept him, so he can eventually unleash his dastardly plan to stand up at the presidents podium, remove his coat revealing a CHE GUEVARA T-shirt, while he appoints Dennis Kucinich to head up the department of Peace , and appoint Noam Chomsky as National Security Advisor.

[unknownone]

69. ,,,

HAHAHAHA I am not going that far... although I wish that is the case

[Zorra]

72. OMG! I can't believe I missed that! But then again, he is 70 something years old.

That sly old coot.
:D

[greenbriar]

73. so your ignornat ass wants more scalitos and robert pukes on the SC

NO Thanks

mcNasty is bush the 3rd and we don't need it

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

18. "I plan on voting for McCain"

Then get off this board.

[unknownone]

20. off the board

I am sorry that you don't like the diversity I am bringing to this board... am I saying McCain will be a great president? hell no but... I think he is going to be very different from Bush and think, for the reasons I set out above he is not a bad person to consider... granted I have months until I have to make my ultimate decision and Obama still has time to wow me (although I personally prefer Clinton) and I am leaving my view open to that possibility

I am just saying McCain seems more moderate to me and not as foolish choice as it may seem

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

22. No, I'm saying you didn't read the rules when you registered.

You're not welcome here. Defenders of and voters for that warmonger are not welcome here.

Go 'way.

[unknownone]

23. warmonger

If you read my other posts, I have made it very clear that I detest Bush and Co. I am just doubtful whether McCain really is part of that co.

Yes he is more than Obama or Clinton but I really dont think he would be a continuation of the Bush presidency

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

25. No, I'm referring to McCain and his "100 years in Iraq" bullshit

McCain is part of that club. He's been part of that club from the beginning.

Now go 'way.

[unknownone]

27. Iraq

But to be honest, didnt Hillary also say we have to be there for "a while" and now an Obama rep said at least 10 years I believe?
And Clinton voted for the war too... and Obama wasn't even in the senate back then to vote either way so we have (as far as I know) no real affirmative statement on how he would have voted beyond his own claims

my point is, as much as we might want to, I am not sure we can actually end this illegal war anytime soon

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

31. So you're going to vote for the warmonger who says

we'll probably be in there for 100 more years. Yeah, that makes a whole lot of fucking sense.

:eyes:

[greenbriar]

74. LIAR

You posted this uptrhead... "democrats and don't liek clinton for personal reasons. As far as Obama, he is too inexperienced and raises too many questions. I am just glad the GOP put a moderate up for once"


now you say you prefer clinton


give it up troll

[unknownone]

21. off the board

I am sorry that you don't like the diversity I am bringing to this board... am I saying McCain will be a great president? hell no but... I think he is going to be very different from Bush and think, for the reasons I set out above he is not a bad person to consider... granted I have months until I have to make my ultimate decision and Obama still has time to wow me (although I personally prefer Clinton) and I am leaving my view open to that possibility

I am just saying McCain seems more moderate to me and not as foolish choice as it may seem

[Quantess]

26. You are polite and respectful, and that is appreciated.

However, you probably will get banned soon, for the simple fact that DU is for Democrats only. Don't take it personally when it happens.

As for voting for McCain, are you sure that staying in Iraq indefinitely is the best plan of action? That's what you'll get if McCain is president.

[unknownone]

29. democrat

I am a registered Democrat and like I said I might still vote for the candidate (even more likely if it is Clinton)so I don't see why I should be banned for just bringing up questions about the other candidate

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

32. Because you didn't even bother to read or follow the rules when you signed up.

Or you don't care. Either way...

[Vanje]

34. "Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran"

Moderate like that?

[unknownone]

36. GOP move to right

Again thats just to get the support of the GOP behind him or otherwise he would have no shot of doing well... the conservative nutjobs want to hear it and hell say it so he has a chance of winning... I dont think he actually means it though

I think instead as someone who actually suffered greatly through a meaningless war, he will try to avoid it at all costs, particularly in light of the Iraq quagmire

[Vanje]

37. In other words ,,,Its okay because....he was LYING

McCain was LYING.

To get votes from assholes.

Masterstroke.
Political genius.
Asshole
LIAR


.

[unknownone]

39. but every politician

every politican does it... its just how politics work
I have a PhD in political science so I have been able to examine it at length and unfortunately that is how all politicans act otherwise they won't be elected
not to defend him but I just don't think hes any different than any other politician is all

[Vanje]

41. Are you a politician?

because I think YOU are lying.

[unknownone]

43. I'm lying?

How am I lying?

[Vanje]

52. Did you get your pHD

from Bob Jones University?

[unknownone]

54. hahaha

hahaha funny... no I got it at CUNY

[Quantess]

47. You have a PhD in political science?

Okay, professor, please explain why you think McCain would avoid war, even though he has unequivocally said the opposite. Is there some double-speak that the rest of us aren't picking up on?

[unknownone]

50. McCain

Well first, I said I have my PhD, which I do. I never said, however, that I am a professor. I am not.

To answer your question, it all comes down to power.

It is entirely different when one has power. His key votes since 2000 have more than his previous votes shown a right-wing viewpoint. yet he has still been able to maintain center or even in some cases left of center views on some issues like immigration and campaign finance reform

he is definately double-speaking as you say. He is claiming to be far more conservative than he actually is just so he can get the party behind him and become president. He has been practically running for this election over the past 8 years before Bush knocked him out of their primary

[Vanje]

55. So he voted against MLK federal holiday back when he was

an unabashed raving liberal, Back before he was courting the far right.

[unknownone]

56. he did?

I honestly did not know that.....did he actually have a reason or was it just the typical right-wing bigotry?

[Quantess]

68. Thanks, I was being facetious when I called you "professor".

I just meant...okay smartie, educate us.

"He is claiming to be far more conservative than he actually is..." I can believe that. But when the majority of Americans are fed up with the war in Iraq, (I believe it's about 70%, depending on the wording of the poll question), what does McCain stand to gain from his rah-rah war cheering?

[unknownone]

70. GOP support

he gets the support of the GOP party faithful; basically that 30%

that small group controls most of the funding that goes to his party and he needs them right now

then once he has secured enough money, after the convention or even after the election if he is elected, he can start moving back to the middle because he wont have to worry about them as much

[Quantess]

75. I hope that you re-assess your priorities before the election.

John McCain is probably exaggerating his Republican credentials when he says he's anti-choice (pro-life, in your speak) then he isn't. I would call that flip-flopping.

But if the war in Iraq (more accurately called the invasion of Iraq) is truly something you oppose, then I think you are lying to yourself by saying that McCain is the best choice for president.

Best wishes to you.

[Vanje]

64. Am you a professional?

"you went to Ivy League schools and am a professional? "
Did you learn to writing?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=114585#114625

quoted:
you went to Ivy League schools and am a professional and yet am not proud of the country where such goals are obtainable by a black women whereas some countries instead physically torture all women, especially minorities (particularly in the middle east) just shows how out of it Ms. Obama is

[unknownone]

65. you know

If you read my immediately previous post you would see that I am not focusing on my writing right now because I am focusing on other things... I didn't join this board to be personally attacked but to discuss issues regarding progressive ideals

I apologize if somehow not seeing eye-to-eye with you is intolerable to you

[orleans]

62. !

"but every politician
every politican does it... "

that's what every republican that i've talked to says when they can't defend the shit from various republican politicians. they always like to throw all the democrats into the dirty, lying, filthy mix.

btw--even phds can use spell check

[unknownone]

63. I am just

I am just telling the truth about how politics works

as far as spelling; your comment is duly noted... I am just make errors because I am responding to a lot of these comments at once and doing something else too (work related) so I haven't bothered to take the time to check every post

[Quantess]

77. What makes people on the internet say they have a PhD and think they will be believed?

Especially when they have substandard grammar and spelling, not to mention the poor reasoning skills? I have taught high school, and I was willing to interact with this person, because he/she was fairly respectful and polite, but when he/she claimed to have a PhD in political science.... I am sorry. Game Over.

I am aware the poster has been tombstoned already.
Pizza Party!:party:

[Quantess]

38. "..as someone who actually suffered greatly through a meaningless war, he will try to avoid it.."

One would think that to be the case, except McCain has said he thinks we should stay in Iraq "for a hundred years", and that we should also invade Iran.

You second guess McCain's own statements about his plans for war. If you ask me, he's got a screw loose.

[unknownone]

40. I just wish

I just wish it was easier to tell what he really thinks instead of what is politically expedient for him to think... I wish that was the case for all politicans though now that I think about it

[orleans]

28. guess what? du rules say you must support the democratic candidates

your post, stating you will vote for mcsame, is hardly in support of democrats.

bye bye.

[unknownone]

33. candidates

Again

I do support Democratic candidates... my choice for senate ( I am from Mass) is Kerry; my choice for the House Jim McGovern (D) and my choices for the state seats all Democrats

I dont think just because I point out that I am not entirely confident with the party's presidential options ( I supported Biden then switched to Richardson back in the primaries) does not mean I don't support democratic candidates

I might be wrong but does questioning the candidates in one elect but supporting the party's candidates in all others truly make me not a Democrat? I dont think it does... I think it just means that I am questioning both parties in this particular race

and again like I said, i am not closing out the option of possibly voting for Obama or (hopefully) Clinton

[MadBadger]

42. What about our troops in Iraq? Do you give a shit if more die? What about the courts and abortion?

Do you give a shit if Women have the right to choose. OBVIOUSLY NOT!

[unknownone]

46. of course

of course I care... but if you read what i've been saying, none of the 3 candidates will really get us out of the war unfortunately and i think a lot of McCain's rhetoric is just political

as far as abortion, I doubt the court will ever overturn it and even if they did, almost all states have passed state constitutional amendments or state courts have reached decisions saying that it is a right.. we activists have to make sure it is all the states that do so

but also remember Harry Blackmun, the writer of the majority opinion in Roe was a Republican nominee as was Earl Warren... the court liberalizes people and with McCain (in my view) being more liberal, his appointment would be someone along the lines of Stevens or Souter who have supported the right to privacy's extension to abortion rights

[orleans]

49. oh, i'm sorry. i thought you said:

"actually I am just as to the left as the rest of you but I plan on voting for McCain...

oh you did.

that would be SUPPORTING A REPUBLICAN FOR THE WHITE HOUSE.

rules:
"Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

that would include NOT supporting mcsame!

[unknownone]

53. again

and again, as I have said many times here, I am generally supportive of progressive ideals and the Democratic party. It is just this particular race.

[DesertRat]

45. If you already "plan on voting for McCain"

Why did you join Democratic Underground? :shrug:

[unknownone]

51. one candidate, one election

One candidate in one election changes my support for progessivism? In every other election for every other candidate I support who the democrats put up. Why would one election suddenly make me not progressive?

[MadBadger]

57. Then vote for Fuckin Nader. THat's better than voting for McCain.

[unknownone]

59. how?

how is that better?... either way its taking away from the Democrats

at least with mccain it would be a force of the GOP back to the middle and away from the far right instead of just taking away from the democrats

[blondeatlast]

78. he doctor disrupted real poor and now wear a granite bra,,, CUNY must proud, Im sur! nt

[Vanje]

60. Joe Leiberman, Is that you?

Is that you, Joe?

[greenbriar]

71. buh bye

anyone voting for mcnasty is scum in my book

[JerseygirlCT]

79. Well, then please don't claim you're anything like the rest of us

Because either you're badly misinformed, or not a Democrat.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. And while he runs this add on countdown and I am sure made

some impression with the less taxes idiot crowd... there is a virtual civil war in the democratic party

Oh never mind, why waste my time pointing this out?

[L. Coyote]

35. Its 3 AM and you are on an airplane. Who is your pilot?

[Candido77]

76. Olbermann: the enemy (McCain) of my enemy (Hillary) is my friend

Olbermann stoops to a new low.