WHY Homophobia at this place

[Madspirit]

If I posted a thread that sounded like this: (a current thread, just btw, except about gays.)

"I support black rights but I have an aversion to black people"

...it would NEVER be allowed here. Why are homophobic threads and posts even allowed here?

It's disgusting.
Lee

[Prophet 451]

1. They are?

I've not noticed any (beyond "gay sex squicks me out" which is fair enough).

[Madspirit]

2. Black people squick me out

That sounds OK to you?
Lee

[Prophet 451]

17. I didn't say gay *people*

I said gay *sex*. If you're straight (and I'm not, BTW), gay sex is going to squick you. Doesn't mean you have a downer on gay *people*. I imagine there's some gay people who would be squicked at the thought of straight sex, doesn't mean they dislike straight *people*. A person is more than what they do with their genetalia.

[uppityperson]

20. go tell that to the other poster

the one that immediately can only think of gay sex and sex=lifestyle.

[Prophet 451]

29. Gladly

Point him out to me and I'll happily go and jump on him for being a prat.

[uppityperson]

35. !

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=303767&mesg_id=303767

[Prophet 451]

46. Cheers n/t

[Madspirit]

21. Adult here

No. I'm an adult. Thinking about sex doesn't squick me out, regardless of the flavor. It's all just bodies doing what they do.
Lee

[Prophet 451]

31. Really?

The thought of, say, your parents or grandparents going at it doesn't give you the ick? You've got a more detached view than I was ever capable of. My congratulations to you.

[Madspirit]

67. Of course

Of course thinking about my grandparents or parents doing it squicks me out. That's an entirely different issue. As you well know.

On the other hand, evidently unlike homophobes, I am not preoccupied thinking about other people having sex in the first place and when I meet someone I don't just think of what they do in bed. That isn't how I judge people. Sorry this little creep thinks that is all there is to gays/lesbians.
Lee

[Lost-in-FL]

3. I am not Homophobic

but please, don't "hit on me". :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[donco6]

7. Snort.

:spray:

Yeah, like that one.

[foreigncorrespondent]

13. Listen...

...I see you are female... this makes me very happy, because I am a lesbian who gets so turned on in bathrooms that I have this weird need to take all women in bathrooms, so do you care to play?

Oh shit, I am sorry, I am pushing my lifestyle onto you. I will never it again, I promise!

But you will love the Aussie accent, trust me. ;)

[Lost-in-FL]

27. You know what??

You never know... I might like it. :spank:

[foreigncorrespondent]

33. Oooooo....

....slaps! Yes, you may indeed like it. ;)

[Lost-in-FL]

39. Hehehe...

:spray:

[LostinVA]

50. Vegemite makes good bait

Oh so I've read on www.lesbiansattackingstraightwomeninbathrooms.com

[Prophet 451]

55. Boy, do I feel dumb

I actually clicked the link :blush:

[foreigncorrespondent]

Worse still...

...you admit to it. LOL

[LostinVA]

79. hehehehehehe

At least nothing came up, huh?

Whew!

[Prophet 451]

I wouldn't have been that surprised if it did

Sadly, I've learned that you find the occasional nutter in pretty much every group.

[LostinVA]

86. Oh, I totally agree with you on that!

[foreigncorrespondent]

60. ROFL

Using the old vegemite I must admit has had many advantages over the years. I like putting it on the "seat," because you know, I am just such a perv like that.

In fact all this bathroom talk is doing things to me right now that I may just have to pop out to the dunnies at the local mall and get laid.

[Lost-in-FL]

62. ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :spray: :spray:

[LostinVA]

45. hehehehehe

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

58. I myself am disgusted with gay sex.

All those hot, sweaty homosexuals... bumping and grinding... with that hot, hot gay cock... oh it's so dirty... mmmm.... DIRTY! DIRTY! DIRTY!

[Maven]

4. It's amazing isn't it? nt

[mondo joe]

5. Agreed. The rationalization is disturbing.

That said, I'd prefer people say these things and have a change to have a dialog about it, rather than disallow it.

[cali]

6. You will NEVER change hearts and minds

with petty attacks like this. The poster in question, much as I disagree with him, was honest about his aversion. I don't condone it. I don't understand it, but I did appreciate his being open about it.

[Madspirit]

8. I don't.

I don't appreciate him any more than if he walked around muttering "nigger" or "queer" under his breath. He simply wanted approval and strokes for his bigotry. Period.
Lee

[uppityperson]

10. I wanted to find out but this one is just too much for me.

no more strokes there, and peace to you madspirit. I was trying to draw the poster out and want nothing to do with it. Good description.

[Madspirit]

12. Hi

I "got" what you were doing after you explained it. Sorry about that over there.
Sometimes I'm dense.
Lee

[uppityperson]

14. good, was worried.

'tis ok. Am asking for a lock there.

[LostinVA]

70. Yup

[Maven]

9. Why?

Why did it help in any way? I don't generally appreciate people telling me they think I, and people like me, are disgusting, just totally out of the blue. That's basically what he was saying: "I personally think you're disgusting, but you should respect that because I vote in your favor."

Why was that necessary? Why do threads like that stay up, when if any thread was started with exactly the same premise--only substituting race for sexual orientation--it would be shut down?

[Madspirit]

11. Also

It's disgusting that you would call this an attack and defend his bigotry. I find someone telling me they have an aversion to my existence an attack...a real attack.
Lee

[Lost-in-FL]

23. I hear the same lame ass excuse

over and over here at DU the "sorry but I was raised in a farm or in a very republican district or in a very conservative home but I am a liberal" bullshit to justify their bigotry. I think this person in question need some therapy and not our "sympathy". That post was bizarre. You don't see us females hiding at home, afraid of being "seduced" by some weirdo. He needs some help.

[LostinVA]

53. Perfect analogy -- women put up with unwanted advances all the time from men

Do all women stay at home? NO.

And gay men of my acquaintance do NOT go after straight guys -- why the hell would they???

[cali]

44. Twist stuff much?

Why of course you do, and that's fucking disgusts me. I hate your kind of dishonesty. I in no way defended his bigotry, either on the thread he started or in this one. But you knew that. You just decided to attack me with a lie.

It's evidently difficult for you, but you might try being honest. Oh, and just for the record, the poster did not say that he has an aversion to your existence. He said he had an aversion to gay sex. I found his OP extremely disturbing, but lying about it said is bullshit.

[ScreamingMeemie]

56. Uh sorry cali but Madspirit's thread is exactly what the homepho...er OP

of the other thread said. And I only see you on the vicious attack mode here. Sometimes people need to take a break from DU. You should consider that.

[cali]

82. You're not making much sense

I didn't follow the entire thread, but the OP admitted to bigotry, said they supported gay/lesbian rights despite his personal bigotry (which I again condemn). That is not the same as saying gays and lesbians shouldn't exist. All bigotry is repellant and wrong, but there are degrees. BTW, I never see you in anything but attack mode. Perhaps one sees what one is looking for> As for taking a break, I didn't log on to DU for the month of January. Perhaps you should consider taking your own excellent advice. I'm glad I took a break.

[ScreamingMeemie]

87. Oh, I make perfect sense.

You never see me in anything but attack mode. :rofl:

Sweetheart I haven't been around in awhile. I think you do need to take a break. Yes I do.

[foreigncorrespondent]

15. Petty attacks?

They started it. There is a current thread right in this very forum. Talk about petty attacks.

[FreeState]

16. Did you send an alert?

They do help - it might take a while but I have seen several threads get locked after using the alert feature...

[k_jerome]

18. is this for real? nt.

[The Straight Story]

19. Male bashing, white bashing, straight bashing, christian bashing, etc

Bash away, it's the flavor O the day :)

Seriously though, is it bashing or questioning?

[Madspirit]

22. Nope

Bashing hatred is not the same thing as bashing gays.
Lee

[uppityperson]

24. it is oh so subtle

I took it at first as questioning, but it is disavowing any responsibility for attitude and saying changing homophobic behavior is comperable to sexual orientation: You don't have to be homophobic, can learn to not be>>>>
"Isn't this that same argument that the GLBT community has fought for years...that you can be "Cured"?"

[FreeState]

26. True to a degree

But I guess you could go one further and ask where it is appropriate to discuss things like being turned of by certain groups of people.

There have been a lot of attacks of minority groups here as of late. I started responding to them but at what point do people just give up? I mean there are like 5 LDS people here - if we had to respond to every post that had a bigoted comment on mormonism we would never have time to pursue why we are here in the first place IMO - progressive politics...

[hulklogan]

28. It's hard keep fighting, but if you don't speak up nothing will change nt

[The Straight Story]

42. The thing is, some groups don't have a catchphrase with negative connotations to use

Like with bashing LDS people, is that LDSPhobic? Hetero-Phobic? We just just don't have snazzy phobics :)

Personally though, I am conservaphobic.

[Prophet 451]

48. You conserve phobias? n/t

[blonndee]

47. And there it is, right on time!

:boring: :nopity: :eyes:

[The Straight Story]

49. Actually I was a little late, I was busy eating a snickers bar.

:rofl:

[Maven]

Well, at least you can laugh at you.

And that's all that matters.

[blonndee]

74. Indeed.

This schtick really tires after the 1000th time, doesn't it? :eyes:

[hulklogan]

25. I'm getting fed up with the homophobia around here myself

But the only solution is to call the homophobes on their behavior each and every time we see it. In a way, it's like housetraining hundreds of disobedient puppies.

By no means am I comparing ALL heterosexual members of DU to disobedient puppies.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

30. I Have A Feeling This Is Another "There Were One Or Two Posts But I'm Gonna Make It Like A Systemic

problem" type thread. Am I right?

On Edit: I stand corrected. My bad.

[FreeState]

32. No

its a complete thread with over 100 posts.

EDIT to add that its not just GLBT person that are getting treated this way.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

104. Yup. I'm Wrong Here. Didn't See The Thread But I Just Read It Now.

I can 100% understand the disgust with it and completely stand corrected.

[hulklogan]

34. In my opinion, it is a systemic problem nt

[foreigncorrespondent]

37. ...

Just look in GD right now. There is a thread with over 100 posts in it directly relating to this one. There is also another thread started with very good intentions but gone sour very quickly because there are people who believe they know what is best for the gay community, even though they are straight. That thead is well over 300 posts long.

[Name removed]

36. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[blonndee]

52. Why are you here, then? You certainly don't share the progressive ideals

of the DU. And to not be ashamed of blatant bigotry. :puke:

[LostinVA]

63. And, he makes sure he posts this on almost every GLBT thread

And, NEVER answers any questions.

[Duncan Grant]

68. DU leans way too far to the left, don't ya think?

:rofl:

[LostinVA]

75. Oh yeah, the Leftist tendencies of DU always astounds me

And, I'm a literal card-carrying Democratic Socialist.

If DU is Left, then I'm a registered Freeper.

[Duncan Grant]

84. Maybe I'll go out and alienate some more of my straight supporters tonight.

One of the straight guys is still pissed that he can't laugh at the Snickers commercial. I'm alienating him and his suppport for 'gays'. Oh, boo-hoo-hoo. It's really breakin' my heart... :eyes:

[Prophet 451]

88. Y'know

I haven't even see the Snickers commercial (bandwidth won't allow it) but it occurs to me that it would have been fine if they'd shown another kiss at the end. Two guys kiss, have moment of madness doing something "manly", kiss again. Message: Gay people can be manly too. Even better if they'd managed to get someone from a macho sport (say, a gay boxer or wrestler) to do it.

[blonndee]

71. That's some sick shit.

On many levels.

[Maven]

59. We GET it.

[Duncan Grant]

61. People have been tombstoned for less...

:nuke:

[ScreamingMeemie]

64. I doubt you really care about anyone much but yourself, which isn't

so much a progressive ideal. The fact that you aren't losing much sleep over the fact that you're a bigot is deeply disturbing. Most people strive to better themselves and overcome faults. Yes you are faulty William Bloode, and you need help.

[The Straight Story]

80. I might be an asshole, but that is some pretty fucked up shit right there

I get into arguments with glbt folks on some shit, made more than a few enemies - but I still stand behind their rights as people and don't hate or fear em one bit.

My wife's best friend, James, is gay and we found out today he has gotten a lot worse and probably won't make it to the end of the year. My wife worked in an aids clinic and saw how people like him die - and it ain't pretty.

People like him are oppressed and forgotten about in our society and there is nothing to fear or hate about them. Arguing over political points is one thing, but being homophobic is another animal all together. These are real people, with real issues, and many of them are dying because our country dropped the ball on aids - because it was a 'gay' disease.

That right there is damn messed up.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

90. You openly admit that you're a homophobe?

Is that like openly admitting that you're inbred?

[The Straight Story]

93. Hey now, muh kinfulk resemble that reemurk

I was inbred, but then some christian group cured me of it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

96. Well, it is a lifestyle.

:rofl:

[The Straight Story]

105. Lfiestyles of the poor and inbred, with your host sean hannity

"Mr. Tyler here lives in a wonderful shack he built himself from the carcasses of beavers and deer. He pulled all his own teeth and with the wisdom of mountain men of old proclaimed 'I dunt knead no grills for my griddle or uppity rich fulks dental ensurance plans, gawd gave me two hands and a pair of -made in the usa- craftsmen pliers'"

[Prophet 451]

97. First few paragraphs

...I thought it was a cry for help. You know, "I'm homophobic, help me get over it". There's no shame in being raised a particular way but there is shame in not trying to overcome your failings.

[Sapphocrat]

99. The only thing that's disgusting is how proud you are of it. n/t

[dysfunctional press]

38. people have a right to be homophobic.

people also have a right to have an aversion to black people. and even to admit to either.

it's pretty much your responsibility to accept that fact.

[foreigncorrespondent]

40. And it is pretty much...

...their responsibility to accept the fact that not all of us are born white and straight.

[hulklogan]

41. Or at least have the manners not to brag about their bigotry in mixed company nt

[Prophet 451]

51. Y'know, manners would make all the difference here

If people had the good manners to keep their bigotry confined to their heads, there would be much less problems.

[dysfunctional press]

69. but they don't have to like it or those that aren't like them...

and people have to accept that.

[foreigncorrespondent]

77. And they need to accept...

...that if they are going to make their views known in public, that they will be called a bigot or a racist, or a homophobe for it.

[uppityperson]

57. They do have that right. They do not have the right to act on it

They do not have the right to run around muttering nasty words while saying "but I'll vote for your issues". They have the right to be bigoted, just not to act on it.

[dysfunctional press]

66. people have the right to say or mutter anything they want.

get used to it and get over it already.

[uppityperson]

72. Nope, they don't. Go yell "fire" in a movie theater.

Or say "bomb" at the airport. They don't have that right at all.

[blonndee]

76. Not here at DU, they don't. n/t

[dysfunctional press]

94. they have a right to admit to being homophobic.

and that seems to be what the op got their undies in a bunch over.

[hulklogan]

81. Right, maybe we do just need to "get over it"

I guess we should all just crawl back to the GLBTQ area and stay there until we learn not to speak out against homophobia on a progressive discussion board.

:sarcasm:

People certainly have the right to say whatever they like, but there are rules around here with regard to posting bigoted comments. What I think the OP was trying to say was that there seems to be a different standard here when it comes to homophobic comments than for racist comments, for example.

[dysfunctional press]

89. even at du, people have a right to admit that they are homophobic.

get over it.

[Prophet 451]

92. No, they don't

This is a private website, freedom of speech isn't automatic on private boards.

[dysfunctional press]

98. yes, they do- look at the rules.

admitting to being homophobic is not the same as acting out against an individual.

[Prophet 451]

101. Not my point

On a private website, the owners have the power to make any rules they see fit. On the other hand, if he has the right to be homophobic, we have the right to call him an asshat for it.

[dysfunctional press]

108. actually, no you don't...

because that would be a personal attack.

however- you CAN say that homophobes in general are asshats.

[Sapphocrat]

110. I suggest you look at this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1324374&mesg_id=1324374

Particularly:

3. If you are opposed to gay rights, you are a homophobe. Don't share that particular point of view here or else you're going to get banned. You've been warned.

I haven't seen Skinner issue any retractions since he posted this over two years ago, have you?

[hulklogan]

106. And people have the right to call them on their foolish ignorance

The homophobe pride on DU is absolutely shameful, and anyone who boasts about his or her homophobic bigotry should be ashamed and needs to learn better manners.

I think the OP's statement about anti-gay bigotry being treated differently around here than racist bigotry is absolutely valid.

[Madspirit]

83. Yeah...

I suppose people have the right to be homophobic bigoted mother fuckers but why at a progressive website that surely would not allow them to post racism. If the ignorant little fucks want to stay ignorant little fucks, fine but some of us came over here to get away from it. Why don't they go hang at sites for their ilk, Limbaugh, Coulter, etc. It should not be allowed here anymore than "nigger" or "spic" or "camel jockey" etc. would be.

Once again, on DU, I will finish a post with the words of Coretta Scott King because it IS the same bigotry and it wouldn't be allowed if it was about race:


"I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice," she said. "But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. said, 'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.'" "I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream to make room at the table of brother- and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people," she said. - Reuters, March 31, 1998.
Speaking before nearly 600 people at the Palmer House Hilton Hotel,
Coretta Scott King, the wife of the late Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Tuesday called on the civil rights community to join in the struggle against homophobia and anti-gay bias. "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood," King stated. "This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group." - Chicago Defender, April 1, 1998, front page.

"We are all tied together in a single garment of destiny . . . I can never be what I ought to be until you are allowed to be what you ought to be," she said, quoting her husband. "I've always felt that homophobic attitudes and policies were unjust and unworthy of a free society and must be opposed by all Americans who believe in democracy," King told 600 people at the Palmer House Hilton, days before the 30th anniversary of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination on April 4, 1968. She said the civil rights movement "thrives on unity and inclusion, not division and exclusion." Her husband's struggle parallels that of the gay rights movement, she said. - Chicago Sun Times, April 1, 1998, p.18.

"For many years now, I have been an outspoken supporter of civil and human rights for gay and lesbian people," King said at the 25th Anniversary Luncheon for the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund.... "Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Ga. and St. Augustine, Fla., and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement," she said. "Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their contributions." - Chicago Tribune, April 1, 1998, sec.2, p.4.

We have a lot more work to do in our common struggle against bigotry and discrimination. I say “common struggle” because I believe very strongly that all forms of bigotry and discrimination are equally wrong and should be opposed by right-thinking Americans everywhere. Freedom from discrimination based on sexual orientation is surely a fundamental human right in any great democracy, as much as freedom from racial, religious, gender, or ethnic discrimination. - Coretta Scott King, remarks, Opening Plenary Session, 13th annual Creating Change conference of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, Atlanta, Georgia, November 9, 2000.

"We have to launch a national campaign against homophobia in the black community," said Coretta Scott King, widow of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., the slain civil rights leader. - Reuters, June 8, 2001.

For too long, our nation has tolerated the insidious form of discrimination against this group of Americans, who have worked as hard as any other group, paid their taxes like everyone else, and yet have been denied equal protection under the law.... I believe that freedom and justice cannot be parceled out in pieces to suit political convenience. My husband, Martin Luther King, Jr. said, “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” On another occasion he said, “I have worked too long and hard against segregated public accommodations to end up segregating my moral concern. Justice is indivisible.” Like Martin, I don’t believe you can stand for freedom for one group of people and deny it to others. So I see this bill as a step forward for freedom and human rights in our country and a logical extension of the Bill of Rights and the civil rights reforms of the 1950’s and ‘60’s. The great promise of American democracy is that no group of people will be forced to suffer discrimination and injustice. - Coretta Scott King, remarks, press conference on the introduction of ENDA, Washington, DC, June 23, 1994.

[dysfunctional press]

91. people have a right to be homophobic- and even admit to it.

not everyone is required to like everyone else.

even here.

[Bluebear]

73. How SHOCKED I am to hear you defend people's rights to hate.

Just shocked. :eyes:

[dysfunctional press]

100. people DO have a right to hate.

whomever they choose.

acting on that hate is the thing that gets people in trouble.

[LostinVA]

43. I agree with the OP

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

54. New mods.

Give them a moment.

[GOPNotForMe]

65. Ignorant people are everywhere.

Even on DU. That being said, I concede that it is quite jarring to see someone who says s/he's been lurking on DU for 3 years spew such bile. I guess it proves that DU is not the panacea for ignorance or bigotry that I had once thought it was.

SOLIDARITY!

[bobbolink]

78. Have you seen the disgusting things said about poor folk here?

Have you noticed the sexism?

Yup, it's all so very......liberated....

:thumbsdown:

[Marie26]

85. DU is just a reflection of society at large

So - homophobia, sexism, racism, classism, we've got it all. I think the different levels of acceptance of homophobia (as opposed to racism) is just an accurate reflection of how much more acceptable homophobia is in US society.

[Bluebear]

95. But it shouldn't be. Some people here are as progressive as Archie Bunker.

And they're PROUD of it! And other people rally to their defense! It boggles the mind and it's a complete disgrace.

[Madspirit]

102. My First Fire

This is my first thread to ever catch on fire. I am not sure what that means but Whoohoohoo...

Now back to the serious....

This is a progressive website. People come here to get away from Republicans and their ilk. Racist threads, sexist threads, homophobic threads, etc. should not be allowed. The original poster at the original thread was not being sincere. They were simply being pigs and wanting strokes for it. That said, if someone really really NEEDS to discuss this issue on a psychological basis, as a psychological problem, there is a mental health forum right here at DU. I suggest it.
Lee

[and-justice-for-all]

103. I have never seen any Homophob post...

Im Gay, but not overly sensetive either..So I might have just over looked them too.

[blonndee]

107. Ahem.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=304211&mesg_id=304496

and two that were deleted in another thread almost exactly like this one, but more extensive.

[pinto]

109. Locking.

Please don't start a new thread to respond to an earlier thread or to post a comment on a discussion that is currently open. Please respond in the original thread.

Thanks.