New Expose Shreds Credibility of 9/11 Commission Report

[kpete]

9/11 Commission Expose - Not the Last Word
Friday, 21 March 2008, 12:16 pm
Opinion: Kyle Hence


Not the Last Word:
New Expose Shreds Credibility of 9/11 Commission Report

By Kyle F. Hence
© Copyright 2008 - Kyle F. Hence
3/18/08

This Nation, in fact this World, will not be set right, until the whole
truth is known, and justice done. Regardless of our own personal
connection to these horrific events it is our personal responsibility to
rectify the untenable position we now find ourselves relative to the
events of 9/11 and inadequate attempts at investigation which amounted
to a total failure to effect any accountability whatsoever. Phil Shenon
has done a great service in shedding more light on the failings and
compromises of the 9/11 Commission. But it's only a beginning...whether
the process is completed or not may well depend on what you personally
do to make a difference on this issue. Former Senator and former 9/11
Commissioner Kerrey has called for Congress to establish a permanent
Commission to continue the investigation. This is courageous stand.
Let's hope that soon he will joined by other Commissioners and staff and
that the next President will support just such a Commission. There is no
doubt whatsoever there is just cause.

Most sincerely,

Kyle F. Hence

********************

"Senior investigators on the 9/11 Commission believed their work was being manipulated by the executive director to minimize criticism of the Bush Administration."



"Investigative staffers at the Commission believe Philip Zelikow repeatedly sought to minimize the administration’s intelligence failures in the months leading up to 9/11, which had the effect of helping to ensure President Bush’s re-election in 2004."



--Excerpts from The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Investigation http://www.amazon.com/Commission-Uncensored-History-11-Investigation/dp/0446580759
by Philip Shenon

more at:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0803/S00331.htm

[LakeSamish706]

1. I seriously think when the truth is known by all of the American people...

there will be so much anger that it will be impossible to control it. JMHO

[malaise]

3. Absolutely correct n/t

[Junkdrawer]

7. We've been terrorized into an actively Imperial foreign policy...

and if they're not exposed, they'll do it again.

And by "they", I mean a small but extremely powerful coalition of Oil/Defense Industry/Foreign Power interests.

[Bandit]

17. The truth will never be known completely

They have covered their tracks too damn well.

[Wizard777]

37. Bush & Cheney should be waterboarded with crude oil until they admit their role as the master minds

of 9/11.

[alllyingwhores]

51. Hey...slow down...what's the fucking rush?

[Fire Walk With Me]

67. I scream, you scream, we all scream.

[HughBeaumont]

2. Everyone should read "The Terror Timeline" by DUer Paul Thompson.

Asks all of the right questions about 9/11 based on the documented events before, during and after the tragedy. It leaves no stone unturned and doesn't espouse on speculative out-there CTs either.

[LakeSamish706]

4. Where does one find "The Terror Timeline"? n/t

[kpete]

6. delete

[JohnyCanuck]

8. At Amazon.com

Editorial Reviews
Book Description

Paul Thompson's The Terror Timeline offers a complete and thorough history of the many roads that converged on 9/11, including the development of Islamic fundamentalism, the activities of bin Laden and al-Qaeda, and the failures of U.S. investigations and counterterrorism efforts. It traces the actions (and inactions) of every important figure in the war on terror, both before and after 9/11, bringing them together in a volume that offers a comprehensive and provocative look at this complex subject. Packed with little-known facts and disturbing questions, The Terror Timeline is the first complete reference guide to the events of 9/11 and the war on terror -- the definitive primer on the most momentous issue of our times.

About the Author
Paul Thompson is a freelance researcher and is the creator of the Center for Cooperative Research’s Complete 9/11 Timeline (www.cooperativeresearch.org), a compilation of over 5000 articles and reports on 9/11 (using only mainstream media sources /JC). A former California environmental activist, he worked to preserve the rainforest in Borneo. Thompson divides his time between California and New Zealand.

http://www.amazon.com/Terror-Timeline-Comprehensive-Chronicle-11/dp/0060783389

[HughBeaumont]

10. I've seen it at Borders too, believe it or not.

But yeah, amazon.com is where I got it.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

16. You can also read Paul's comprehensive, constantly updated online timeline here

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

[Echo In Light]

18. David Ray Griffin relied on Paul's timeline as well {mainline sources too, from what I recall}

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

21. Yes, he did. :)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

22. Echo, have you seen this video? It was orignally posted at Paul's Timeline.. Randy Glass

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vZ-gj1AsYB0

[Echo In Light]

28. Thanky :)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

41. My pleasure :)

[Name removed]

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[OmmmSweetOmmm]

55. Mike Ruppert has the left the country. I wonder if it got too for him here. He pegs Darth Cheney

as the orchestrator of the attacks.

http://www.gnn.tv/threads/18777/Mike_Ruppert_Leaves_America_FOREVER

Mike Ruppert Leaves America FOREVER!
Asset B17744 Posted By mkane

For those who don’t know who Mike Ruppert is, you can find out here:

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/about.shtml

My former Boss, Mike Ruppert, who use to run Fromthewilderness.com (FTW), has left America forever, never to return again. After the FTW offices were burglarized, and 7 of our computers were smashed to pieces, Mike felt a clear message was being sent to him.

“Next time we’re going to kill you.”

This burglary was not the first time we were fucked with by the U.S. government for the work that we do. But it had gotten to a point where Mike Ruppert – 55 years old – could no longer fight from within the Empire.

Now he is in Caracas, Venezuela, announcing he is no longer a U.S. citizen: he is a citizen of the world.

Continued at above link

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[HCE SuiGeneris]

9. As is often the case with racism,

this episode in our lives/history is unbearable for most. The sheer magnitude of our silent complicity creates an untenable dynamic. However, the truth will out...

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

11. Funny how the brain works. When I first glanced at the subject I read New Expose Sheds Credibility

I said WTF? Big sigh here as reread what it said.

A friend of mine directly confronted Bob Kerrey about the cOmmission Report and I am so happy that he now he wants a new investigation.

And as to Kyle Hence, Kyle has been an incredible force and support for the 9/11 families,

[HCE SuiGeneris]

12. Always a pleasure to have you weigh in here...

:thumbsup:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

20. Thank you! Likewise. :)

:hi:

After getting over the original shock of 9/11 (I live in a suburb of NYC, my original home), about 3 months after, I had an epiphany, and did extensive research on the Internet. It was a lonely position at first, with few voicing their doubts. As time went on, more and more validating information was available and more and more people started to wake up. Someday, and I believe in my lifetime, the truth will out.

I visit the dungeon every now and then and this past week, even posted something there. There was a DUer who said that conspiracy theorists were far right wingers (I like the term wrong winger myself). I first said that it was the far wrong slime that were behind these conspiracies. I then posed this question. Do you believe that we were deliberately lied into the war in Iraq? That those lies were created to dupe us? Wouldn't that orchestration by Shrub and Co. be a conspiracy against us? Just curious.

Of course, I never received a response.

[JohnyCanuck]

26. The Lies That Lead to War

A documentary from the CBC's "Fifth Estate" program first broadcast in Canada in March 2007 and rebroadcast again a few days ago.

You can watch it on line at the link below:

Since the US-led invasion four years ago, the fifth estate has covered Iraq and the war on terror from virtually every angle--the military, media, intellligence, politics--revealing aspects of the story that you didn't find anywhere else.

Now, as the White House warns about the latest threat in the region, this time from Iran, we go back to examine the deception, suspect intelligence, even lies that convinced the world of the rightness of targeting Saddam Hussein.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/lies/video.html

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

27. I've seen it. It was Excellent! A must see for those who haven't viewed it yet. Thank you!

[Juche]

29. Whats sad is

That there is also speculation that the July 7 attacks in London have more to them than people are being told. We may have another operation Gladio on our hands. Too bad it'll be covered up until it it too late and we are already at war with at least 3 mideast countries.

http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-mind-the-gaps-part-1.html

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

30. There is a lot of suspect information regarding those attacks.

Just like 9/11, there was an emergency ready drill going on, coincidently using the same stations that were bombed. Some reported that at least with one of the trains bombed, the explosion came from under the car.

Then there was the bus that was bombed. There were reports that the bus was the only one rerouted after the tube bombings, and mysteriously, the CATV malfunctioned.....

[bagrman]

33. Check out the Oklahoma City bombing, there is a lot more

out there being questioned then before.

[SpiralHawk]

13. "MIHOP? Moi? Smirk." - Commander AWOL

[Rosa Luxemburg]

14. 9/11 Commission was a whitewash/coverup

one day we hope that the truth will surface about 9/11 attacks

[Echo In Light]

15. I suspect a world war will likely avert that fateful day

[bagrman]

34. When the internet is disimboweled all this info will be lost.

[kineneb]

35. just as the Warren Commission report was. Some day... the truth. nt.

[judasdisney]

52. 9/11 Commission Never Had Credibility To Begin With

It was stonewalled.

It was stacked with cronies.

It was stacked with dubious bluebloods with outrageous conflicts-of-interest.

It failed to mention critical questions.

The hearings were tainted with 9/11 family survivors being forcibly removed.

Testimony was tainted and Bush/Cheney were never even required to testify under oath nor individually.

The 9/11 Commission always has been a joke.

And so have the 9/11 Coincidence Theorists who failed to address these glaring issues.

[annabanana]

19. Zelico was there to compromise it. That was his job.

He did pretty well.

[Phred42]

23. INTERESTING that SO MANY comments on this post have been DELETED!?

What is DU afraid of? Free speech apparently

[Bonobo]

24. Can we take the issue out of the dungeon, where DU sends the signal that is is 'Conspiracy'?

This is no longer conspiracy theory territory and it has not been so for a long time.

It needs to be discussed, and just because there are a lot of nutcases and trolls muddying the water is no reason not to let us do do.

After all, look at GDP. It's crap and yet there still exists intelligent discourse mixed in there.

Take us out of the dungeon, DU.

You are unintentionally sending the signal to 100,000 members here that you believe it is in the realm of "Bigfoot" and the "Bermuda Triangle".

[Name removed]

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[defendandprotect]

46. It is "conspiracy" but conspiracy must be made to be "tin foil hat" . . .

Of course, our system of justice/law is based on heavy consideration of conspiracy --- !!!

This is old, old propaganda and keeping a lot of people unaware and naive ---

[defendandprotect]

31. Thanks John Kerry --- !!!

It does seem that as Bush's time in the WH begins to ebb, the Dems are getting more courageous . . .

This takes courage!!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

57. Gentle correction. It isn't John Kerry but Bob Kerrey. eom

[defendandprotect]

65. Thanks -- I'll take Bob Kerry . . . but why not John Kerry . . . ???

Certainly, he must be aware of the many questions ---
about 9/11 and the Commission ---

This should be an open issue for any thinking person --- especially members of Senate/House ---

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

72. Of course it should be an open issue for any thinking person but it seems

that the corporate controlled media jumps on anyone who questions the official story, and labels them wackos, kooks. On the Joe Scarborough show several days ago, it was said that the 9/11 truthers should be sent to secret prison camps.

Check out this link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x197122

[defendandprotect]

76. One of my arguments with this is that . . .

I have to question why anyone --- save Media Matters reps --- is watching Scarborough????

If you knew someone in your daily life like Scarborough, would you give him any heed???

Meanwhile, I understand the concerns that OTHERS are being misinformed by Scarborough, but
somehow I don't think that's a majority of the public which seems to have caught on to what's
actually going on in America and the world.

75% of the public, for instance, oppose the war in Iraq --
Would anyone know that from the TV coverage --- ???
These people are becoming irrelevant --- and the more so as we turn them off.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

77. Yet our Representatives do give them credibility and appear

constantly on these shows. For some reason, they seem to want to play up to what Stephen Colbert called, the backwash, then to actually listen to, and more importantly, follow the will of their constituency. That's why Congress' approval rating is almost as low as Shrub's. To them, we are irrelevant.

[defendandprotect]

78. True . . . and thanks for the reply, however . . .

My guess is that they're afraid of what Dan Rather was describing . . . and what Phil Donahue
describes . . . "having a flaming tire tied around their necks" by corporate-media and powerful right-wing voices who can do harm. Tom Daschle described how he was demonized by right-wing
-- made into a devil. Preceded by the Anthrax attacks on liberals -- !!!

And, it certainly did come to Dan Rather ....

We often say that here at DU . . .that the Democrats are frightened ---

As some liberal Democrats keep telling us, they don't have to listen to the public when the public isn't voting. And, I think we'll be lucky to get back up to 50% of the vote this time around.

But . . . I'm going to stick with my feeling that we're better off when the TVs are off.

Right now, I think we're both involved in circular debate about this question -- and I'm rooting
for the internet to win out here --- and hope that we can hold onto it.


PS: Cheney's "So . . . ?" is an effort also to make the public look stupid and irrelevant ---
an argument to cause Americans to lose faith in democracy, IMO.

[wildbilln864]

36. K & a big R!

Thanks Kpete! :patriot:

[katty]

38. Zeli and CON-DI: YES, i saw the PDB and it said: "Bin Laden..."

and the rest is tragic history.

[althecat]

39. Cheers kpete

:yourock:

[wildbilln864]

40. This short....

video shows expulsions going upwards at the right far side of building #7. Watch how fast it falls.
25 second video of WTC #7's collapse. :hi:

[creeksneakers2]

42. Its a great book. I'm reading it.

So much was obvious while the 9/11 Commission held hearings but now we know what went on behind the scenes. It was one big cover up, especially for Bush. The only person with real pull for the Democratic side was Hamilton, and he was one of the worst offenders for letting Bush off the hook.

Lots of questions were never asked let alone answered about Tenet. It was as if he was acting to sabotage the hunt for Bin Laden.

[Politicalboi]

43. I have been soooo pist that 9/11

Gets a free pass by so many. For years I watched videos and read a lot about it. I truely believe Bush/Cheney did this to us. Just go back a day to Sept 10th 2001. Pentagon misplaces 2.3 Trillion dollars. Now if you wanted to cover that up you better damn well have something that can top that and 9/11 did. Videos I have watched were Loosechange, Who killed John O'Neill, In plane site, and I also think Oklahoma was another Government cover up. They talked about other explosive devices in the building. How did Timmy do that? I remember that day and yes they did remove some bombs from the remainder of the building..

[Usrename]

44. The 9/11 Commission Report used evidence gained through torture.

The 9/11 Commission report contains a text box that speaks to the issue. The disclaimer (page 146), entitled “Detainee Interrogation Reports,” reads:



... We submitted questions for use in the interrogations, but had no control over whether, when, or how questions of particular interest would be asked. Nor were we allowed to talk to the interrogators so that we could better judge the credibility of the detainees and clarify ambiguities in the reporting...


They admit in their own document that they submitted the questions to the waterboarders, with the intent of using this information as evidence in their official report.

a bit more here> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2841686&mesg_id=2841967

[Beam Me Up]

45. David Ray Griffin Review: "Half Great, Half Terrible"

Source:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A2BTXHV65XDHKY/ref=cm_cr_pr_auth_rev?ie=UTF8&sort%5Fby=MostRecentReview

/snip/
It was already known that Zelikow had been on the National Security Council (NSC) with Condoleezza Rice during the administration of the first President Bush; that he wrote a book with her while the Republicans were out of power; that he helped her make the transition from the Clinton to the Bush NSC; and that he wrote at her request the 2002 version of "National Security Strategy of the United States of America" (NSS 2002), which enunciated a new doctrine of preemptive war that was used, in Shenon's words, to "justify a preemptive strike on Iraq."

But now Shenon reveals more: that in applying to Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, the co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission, for the position of executive director, Zelikow failed to reveal some of his conflicts of interest, especially his authorship of NSS 2002 and his role on the transition team; that he continued, contrary to his promise, to be in touch with Karl Rove (who was very concerned about the Commission's work), as well as Rice; that Zelikow largely prevented direct contact between the staff and the Commissioners ("If information gathered by the staff was to be passed to the commissioners, it would have to go through Zelikow"); and that Zelikow largely "controlled what the final report would say."

/snip/

Although Shenon points out that Zelikow and Clarke hated each other, he does not point out that Clarke's book, Against All Enemies, is not mentioned by the Zelikow-led Commission's report and that it contradicted that report on several points, saying that Cheney was down in the bunker before 9:15, that Clarke received shootdown authorization from Cheney before 9:55 (not at 10:25), and that General Richard Myers was in the Pentagon between 9:00 and 9:45 AM (not on Capitol Hill).

Although Shenon points out that the Commission failed to ask Rudy Giuliani any tough questions, he does not mention the Commission's failure to ask the toughest question that should have been asked: How did Giuliani know in advance that the Twin Towers were going to come down?

In sum: Whereas Shenon's book has performed a great service by revealing things about the Zelikow-led Commission that should lead people to suspect that its account of 9/11 covered up the truth, it is also a terrible failure: Because of Shenon's lack of journalistic skepticism with regard to the official account of 9/11, he failed to raise the most important question about the Commission's report: Did it cover up complicity by forces within our own government? Although the Commission's report contains dozens of signs that it did just this, Shenon's book mentions not a single one.

[Echo In Light]

54. I remember that review he did there of the cOmmission Report

[wildbilln864]

59. kick! nt

:hi:

[frog92969]

47. K&R

Thanks kpete.

[Barrymores Ghost]

48. Until one has seen "Loose Change" and "9/11 Mysteries"...

...One cannot claim to have an informed opinion of the visual evidence and eyewitness testimony of this inside job.

But, what do I know. I'm just another tinfoil-hat-wearing freak...

[defendandprotect]

66. I'd have more confidence in your intelligence . . . and less in

those with so little curiosity and so few questions about 9/11 ---

:)

[jeff30997]

49. K&R

Thanks for the infos.:thumbsup:

[autorank]

50. K*R for the stellar one - You are the ONE!

This is such a great article.

:hi:

:kick:

:hi:

[Joanne98]

53. K&R!

[spanone]

56. so why didn't these 'senior investigators' SPEAK THE FUCK OUT BEFORE NOW

why didn't they go to the press?

why did they keep quiet???

why are we just hearing about this NOW?

[Ghost Dog]

58. Ok. & Please don't forget the

~ 10% Brits and citizens of many other parts of the world, victims that day.

Thanks. For (no more coverup) Truth.

[JackRiddler]

60. "Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours"

kick

[JackRiddler]

61. kick again

[lovuian]

62. The Japanese knows 911 commission is BS

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VaEGhiHhZ1Y

At the National Diet of Japan on January 10, 2008, Councilor Yukihisa Fujita of Democratic Party of Japan, the main opposition party questioned 9/11.
Later the Japanese government took rare steps to force parliamentary approval of a controversial bill reviving a naval mission in the Indian Ocean in support of US-led forces in Afghanistan.
Ahead of the voting Councilor Yukihisa Fujita of Democratic Party of Japan, made a statement
at the House of Councillors, the National parliament of Japan,
For 30 minutes he questioned the official version of 9/11 presented to the japanese government and the public by the US administration
He concluded that the japanese governments support of the "war against terror" is solely
based on information provided by the US-administration. He demanded further investigations and questions being answered in the face
of the governments drive to support the war more actively.

[Echo In Light]

63. Ex-Italian Prime Minister - '9/11 Carried Out By CIA and Mossad'

Ex-Italian Prime Minister - '9/11 Carried Out By CIA and Mossad'

http://www.nowpublic.com/crime/ex-italian-president-9-11-inside-job

[defendandprotect]

68. Sounds like he'd probably have a pretty good idea about that . . .

They say that the US and Israel's weapons production is so closely intertwined that you can
barely tell the difference between them!

At times, we seem to be running Israel and using it to invade the ME ---

Operation Gladio has been brought home to America --- long ago!!!

[JohnyCanuck]

71. For the lurkers who have never heard of Operation Gladio.

Operation Gladio refers to the false flag terrorism operation in Italy during the cold war. In fact, far right, underground fascist groups working in cooperation with an Italian "stay behind" army set up by NATO, the CIA and MI6 committed much of the terrorism that was going on in Europe in the 70s and 80s. The purpose of the stay behind armies set up post-war in most West European countries was supposedly to engage in underground resistance campaigns against any Soviet invasion force attempting a military take over of Europe. Instead, in Italy and a few other European countries these underground armies were populated by far right extremist and Nazi sympathizers and engaged in, or assisted in murderous, false flag, terror attacks against civilian targets which were then blamed on radical leftists and communists by the government and media. The intention was to discredit communist and leftist candidates running for political office and, in the sworn testimony of Vincenzo Vinciguerra, one of the Operation Gladio participants: "to force the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security." In Italy, these right wing, false flag terrorists worked in secret under the protection of the Italian security services.

More information is contained in the books NATO's Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe by Swiss author Daniele Ganser.

From the Amazon.com book description:

Book Description
The CIA and the British secret service MI6, in collaboration with the military alliance NATO and European military secret services set up a network of clandestine anticommunist armies in Western Europe after World War II. The secret soldiers were trained on remote islands in the Mediterranean and in unorthodox warfare centers in England and in the United States by the Green Berets and SAS Special Forces. The network was armed with explosives, machine guns and high-tech communication equipment hidden in underground bunkers and secret arms caches in forests and mountain meadows. In some countries, the secret army linked up with right-wing terrorists who in a secret war engaged in political manipulation, harassment of left wing parties, massacres, coup d'etats and torture.

Codenamed "Gladio" ('the sword'), the Italian secret army was exposed in 1990 by Italian Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti to the Italian Senate, whereupon the press spoke of the "the best kept, and most damaging, political-military secret since World War II" (Observer, 18. November 1990) and observed that "The story seems straight from the pages of a political thriller." (The Times, November 19, 1990). Ever since, so-called 'stay-behind' armies of NATO have also been discovered in France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxemburg, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Austria, Greece and Turkey. They were internationally coordinated by the Pentagon and NATO and had their last known meeting in the NATO-linked Allied Clandestine Committee (ACC) in Brussels in October 1990.

http://www.amazon.com/NATOs-Secret-Army-Operation-Contemporary/dp/0714685003

[defendandprotect]

73. All to keep right-wing governments in power; plus, in America. . .

documents recently bounced out --- I think in connection with Wm. Buckley's death? -- suggesting that the CIA financed right-wing members of the Senate/House thru Howard Hughes company, part of which was a CIA front.

Some of the Senators named were Strom Thurmond and Gerald Ford --

[sce56]

64. Kick & Error: You've already recommended that thread.

Well I'm surprised this thread is still here and not sent to the 9-11 dungeon!

[defendandprotect]

69. Push

[dbt]

70. K & R for the jaw-dropping fact that

this thread has somehow NOT been sent to the Dungeon.

:evilgrin:

[defendandprotect]

74. Could be that ....

DU is maturing - growing up and out of its fears of being labelled a conspiracy website!

[WritersBlock]

75. Glad to see this thread staying in GD!

So I'll kick it again :)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

79. Kick!