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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:42 PM
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I'd just like to point out that Al Gore opposed the war from the very beginning
He came out against the war in a speech in September, 2002 in San Francisco. He opposed the war before opposing the war was cool. A lot of Democratic go-alongers in Congress and within the Georgetown Cocktail party crowd lectured us that we needed to swallow this one, lest we as a party be branded "soft" on national security.

But not Al Gore. So those of you (and you know who you are) who said in 2000 that there was no difference between Bush and Gore and voted for Ralph Nader need to seriously think about the quality of your judgment.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:45 PM
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1. K&R - he was one of the only Democratic Party national leaders to do so...
President Clinton and Senator Clinton remained silent during the run-up to the war.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:46 PM
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2. unlike Obama who votes to support and fund the murder of Iraqis to this very day nt
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:47 PM
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3. Yeah, but he was not an elected politician at that point...he should have
been president, of course, and I believe 9-11 would nto have happened because it was preventable if we had a guy with a brain at the switch...but when there' no political fallout from a stance, I find it hard to really say great going for this.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:47 PM
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4. I second and third that statement. He also gave innumerable speeches
deploring the actions of Bush/Cheney cabal, which I am confident he personally composed and which he did not need a monitor from which to orate. Compare that to the bird brain sociopath that we ended up with (when we had the opportunity for two incredible statesmen, which are rare and far between in today's USA) who can only speak off tape when he is glorifying his great war leadership or tooting some other officious horn...bleeppppppppp!
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:23 PM
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15. I saw a series of speeches he gave that were sponsored by Moveon and they were fantastic!
I knew then that I wanted him to run for the Presidency again and am devastated that he didn't.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:47 PM
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5. He also pointed out that, as an engine for the economy, housing sales would not last.
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DemocratInSoCal Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:50 PM
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6. Al Gore Is Irrelevant
I had hoped he would have the courage, to save this country, but he prefers to stay out of politics from now on. He's embarked on a different kind of campaign now.

I guess if we end up with McLame, perhaps he can try and get some attention paid to that warming issue thingie.
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Tashca Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:58 PM
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9. Irrelevant???
Maybe in your world.

Never in mine..........
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:08 PM
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11. Ignore.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:52 PM
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7. Also, he was the presumed 2004 Dem front runner - - and the idea of invading Iraq was very popular
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 05:52 PM by AlGore-08.com
It was an act of courage and conviction to speak his opposition when he did - - and as others have pointed out, the first time he spoke out against it was about three weeks before Congress even voted on the IWR.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:56 PM
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8. Al Gore is my only candidate
I just wish we could sort this out. Gore for President with Obama for VP.
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DemocratInSoCal Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:41 PM
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13. Gore Let Me Down
He let this whole country down. He had a golden opportunity to try and fix the damage which has been done, but for whatever reason, he chose not to.

My friend thinks that his life was threatened, either by the repubs, or the Clintons.

I just wish he would admit, that this was his last and best chance at reclaiming what was rightfully his. I wish I had him to support in this election, because neither of our current candidates, make me comfortable at all.

Call me a pessimist, but I think we're pretty well Fucked, and neither Obama nor Clinton will be able to save us. If we get McLame, it's Game Over.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:02 PM
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10. 23 Senators voted against it. many also spoke up against it before opposing it was "cool"
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 06:05 PM by PeaceNikki
My favorite: http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/releases/02/10/2002A10531.html">Statement of U.S. Senator Russ Feingold on Opposing the Resolution Authorizing the Use of Force Against Iraq October 9, 2002

...
I am especially troubled by these shifting justifications because I and most Americans strongly support the President on the use of force in response to the attacks on September 11, 2001. I voted for Senate Joint Resolution 23, the use of force resolution, to go after al Qaeda and the Taliban and those associated with the tragedies of September 11. And I strongly support military actions pursuant to Senate Joint Resolution 23.

But the relentless attempt to link 9-11 and the issue of Iraq has been disappointing to me for months, culminating in the President's singularly unpersuasive attempt in Cincinnati to interweave 9-11 and Iraq, to make the American people believe that there are no important differences between the perpetrators of 9-11 and Iraq.

Mr. President, I believe it is dangerous for the world, and especially dangerous for us, to take the tragedy of 9-11 and the word "terrorism" and all their powerful emotion and then too easily apply them to many other situations -- situations that surely need our serious attention but are not necessarily, Mr. President, the same as individuals and organizations who have shown a willingness to fly planes into the World Trade Center and into the Pentagon.

Let me say that the President is right that we've got to view the world, the threats and our own national security in a very different light since 9-11. There are shocking new threats. But, Mr. President, it is not helpful to use virtually any strand or extreme rhetoric to suggest that the new threat is the same as other preexisting threats. Mr. President, I think common sense tells us they are not the same and they cannot so easily be lumped together as the President sought to do in Cincinnati.

Mr. President, I've reviewed the intermittent efforts to suggest a connection of 9-11 and Saddam Hussein or suggest the possibility that such a connection has developed since 9-11. Let me be very clear. If in fact there was a connection in planning together for the 9-11 attack by Saddam Hussein or his agents and the perpetrators of 9-11 and al Qaeda, I've already voted for military action. I have no objection.

But if it is not, if this is premised on some case that has supposedly been made with regard to a subsequent coalition between al Qaeda and the Iraqi government, I think the President has got to do better. He's got to do better than the shoddy piecing together of flimsy evidence that contradicts the very briefings we've received by various agencies, Mr. President.

...

My constituents have voiced their concerns in calls, at town meetings, in letters and through e-mail or with faxes. They aren't calling for Congress to bury our heads in the sand. They are not naively suggesting that Saddam Hussein is somehow misunderstood. But they are asking questions that bear directly on our national security, and they are looking for answers, Mr. President, that make sense. They are setting the standard, Mr. President, just as they should do in a great democracy. Their standard is high. We should work together to develop a policy toward Iraq that meets it.


I am proudly one of his constituents with high standards.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237
NAYs ---23
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chafee (R-RI)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wellstone (D-MN)

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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:11 PM
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12. I remember people saying he was nuts
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 06:15 PM by Juche
When he stood up against the war some people where I live were saying 'Al Gore has gone crazy' because of how angry he was, but he was just ahead of his time. His valid rage was based on being aware of how much of a mess America was getting into.

PS why blame Nader for Gore losing in 2000? Why not blame these factors


The supreme court ended the recount, which may've given Gore the election.

Harris disqualified about 50,000 black voters who would've voted democrat

Alot of ballots were disqualified after they voted

The butterfly ballots confused about 3000 people who wanted to vote for Gore (Gore lost by under 600 votes)

About 200,000 registered democrats in Florida voted for Bush, if 1% voted for Gore then Gore would've won.

Gore didn't carry New Hampshire, tennessee or Arkansas.

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:20 PM
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14. If Gore's on my ballot in November he'll get my vote.
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 07:20 PM by LWolf
Can you make that happen?

Edited to add:

I voted for Gore in 2000.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:24 PM
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16. oh wow,
You mean he has a speech he made in 2002 as well? :sarcasm:

Too bad the M$M all lined up to say he was unhinged.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 07:27 PM
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17. kick
for the mention of Nader
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