Is a collapsed economy enough of a reason to declare Martial Law?

[sarcasmo]

With all the bad news about the economy, just look up and down the GD thread. My thought was that maybe Silver Spoon Boy doesn't need another Terra attack, just an economic collapse to bring back the strong hand of fear. Call me a tin foil hater I am used to it by now, just hope that I don't have to say I told you so when you see the armed military in the streets. I know my mind will be better the day that Man leaves the White House. Voting, anyone but Republican.

[niyad]

1. very interesting thought

[sarcasmo]

6. Welcome to my Brain :)

[LSparkle]

2. We may need to revisit those infamous "Executive Orders"

I think they may have been vague enough to equate financial crisis with
national crisis worthy of intervention.

[Selatius]

3. I remember reading there were food riots in the 1930s and people starved to death.

We didn't have martial law then. We had FDR and the New Deal as responses.

[sarcasmo]

8. Do you think the New Deal would happen now?

[Selatius]

16. I hold the position that FDR would never have been elected if it weren't for the Great Depression.

If the economy were doing good, he would never have gotten anywhere near the presidency because of tremendous resistance from Wall Street and big business in general. He'd be considered his day's version of Dennis Kucinich today.

If there is going to be public works programs and a revival of FDR-era programs to fight poverty rein in corporate malfeasance, it might only come after the US economy has flown itself into the ground and is utterly ruined. Then they'd have to accept a new FDR or face a "peasant revolt" or something worse, like France 1789.

Even during the Great Depression, FDR was almost overthrown by Wall Street until Gen. Smedley Butler blew the whistle on the plot to launch a military coup and basically turn the US into a pro-Hitler/pro-big business military dictatorship.

[superkia]

32. And what was one of the families names...Bush!

In 1933, Marine Corps Maj.-Gen. Smedley Butler was approached by a wealthy and secretive group of industrialists and bankers, including Prescott Bush the current President's grandfather, who asked him to command a 500,000 strong rogue army of veterans that would help stage a coup to topple then President Franklin Delano Roosevelt.


Now with the federal reserve and the constant inflation, they are taking over by slowly putting us all in poverty, they don't need soldiers. Will this be "our" legacy, is this who we are as people? I hope things change before its too late. Sad thing is, I don't think that change will come until we are hit and hit hard by our own system.

[earth mom]

38. The Bush Family was behind it. nt

[Pale Blue Dot]

4. Read "The Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein.

That's exactly what she theorizes could happen; it's exactly what happened in Russia.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Bingo!

[lumberjack_jeff]

29. Exactly right. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. He thought about it, that is why the Executive Order he signed

back in May or June... is contemplating exactly that.

So yes, buckle up

[katty]

9. well there is panic and that's reason enough for bushco

[sarcasmo]

15. Exactly, we saw how well he handled Katrina, and that was regional.

Time to go get the canned goods, they are good for a year correct?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

10. Why you "tin foil hater" , you! Why do you hate tin foil?

:shrug:

[better tomorrow]

12. save that tinfoil....

if the truckers go on strike, there won't be any in the stores.......recycle

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[aquart]

13. Oh, good grief. How silly. What does the word "martial" mean?

You might want to look it up, and then ask yourself where our army is.

[sarcasmo]

14. How quickly you forget about Law Enforcement, and not all of our guard troops

Are in the middle east.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. You do know that not all troops are over there

and one special order federalizes the Guard, an order Governors have taken issue with

[Golden Raisin]

23. Ever heard of Blackwater?

A couple of runs-on-banks and watch how fast Cheney & Bush will tighten the noose.

[aquart]

36. Uh, Blackwater works for real money.

So good luck with that, too. How does one collect taxes from citizens to pay for a mercenary army within the nation's borders?

DO YOU REALLY THINK WE CAN AFFORD FIFTY STATES WORTH OF MERCENARIES???

Step away from the video games.

[lumberjack_jeff]

31. We're a different type here.

It takes fewer troops to keep us in line.

[Auggie]

17. Only if it's associated with a riot. I wouldn't put it past them to start one.

[sarcasmo]

18. Like people charging the grocery store or the banks?

[Auggie]

20. Possibly -- though I'm thinking something larger and am afraid to post it here

[sarcasmo]

22. I get ya, sometimes it is better to keep it to yourself.

[irish.lambchop]

21. I doubt we'll see armed military in our streets . . .

blackwater maybe, but our armed military are all in Iraq.

[niyad]

24. there are 50,000 troops five miles from me.

[better tomorrow]

27. I heard something about "hired foreign military"

so who knows....maybe it will be the Mexican Army....they came in during Katrina, remember?

[Brigid]

25. I don't think you're being paranoid.

Economic distress can trigger social unrest quite easily, and TPTB know it all too well. Could it lead to martial law? Not so much of a stretch, if you ask me, especially with the crowd we have in the WH right now. Still plenty of time for Boy George to cause a lot of damage before he must leave office.

[Speck Tater]

26. If martial law happens

The troops will be there for crowd control. They will go where the angry crowds and rioters are. Stay clear of the crowds, stay out of the big cities, and you'll stay below their radar.

Collective activism is fine, but there are times when individual survival takes precedence. Were martial law to be declared that would NOT be a good time to make noise, and a worse time to make waves.

Just be sure, well ahead of time, that you don't NEED to storm the grocery stores to survive.

If you can keep calm while all those around you are in a panic ...

[better tomorrow]

28. but what about the new technologies on crowd control

those cell phone towers aren't all there for nothing. Will they beam our brains?

[better tomorrow]

30. or make us vomit.....see article.....

http://www.sunshine-project.org/publications/pr/pr190202.html

[sarcasmo]

34. Excellent advice, having your supplies ahead of time and avoiding the riots.

[jgraz]

33. Wait, we need a reason now?

[Zywiec]

35. It's the weekly martial law thread

When someone starts one of these why don't they explain where "they" are going to get troops to control 300 million people? We don't have the troops to take care of NOLA, put out fires in California, handle tornados in Kansas.

But sure, Bush is going to declare martial law with zero support and no troops.

Yep, sounds like a feasible plan :eyes:



DU Google Search for martial law:
Results 1 - 10 of about 12,000 from democraticunderground.com for martial law. (0.26 seconds)

[aquart]

37. I know. My current theory is they play too many video games.

[superkia]

45. The so called conspiracy theorists could be wrong but that...

doesnt just make you right! The best thing for all Americans is to listen to everything and search out the truth, it usually is somewhere in the middle. I hate seeing responses like yours just as much as you hate seeing martial law posts, I don't like it when people just dismiss anyone that they don't agree with and then they go and spread their word as if it is fact and truth.

It also makes you look ignorant when you give YOUR take on something and then add some dumb ass smiley face, as if that makes your point true. Education is freedom!

I think martial law would be considered a civil emergency and dont forget that Blackwater was given a 15 BILLION DOLLAR contract to fight the war on drugs. Now considering that there really is no war on drugs, you should at least question why a mercenary company was awarded a contract that large back in Sept. after the martial law executive order was signed I believe i in May or Sept?

If something like that did happen, if I were the dictator, I would leave our troops stranded in Iraq and bring home the 180,000 hired guns that are over there.



Canada and the U.S. have signed an agreement that paves the way for the militaries from either nation to send troops across each other’s borders during an emergency, but some are questioning why the Harper government has kept silent on the deal.Neither the Canadian government nor the Canadian Forces announced the new agreement, which was signed Feb. 14 in Texas.

The U.S. military’s Northern Command, however, publicized the agreement with a statement outlining how its top officer, Gen. Gene Renuart, and Canadian Lt.-Gen. Marc Dumais, head of Canada Command, signed the plan, which allows the military from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a civil emergency.

[superkia]

46. The so called conspiracy theorists could be wrong but that...

doesnt make YOUR opinion anymore fact than theres. Blackwater was given a 15 BILLION DOLLAR contract to fight the war on drugs last Sept and given there really is no war on drugs, it makes you wonder why it was given to a mercenary company? If I were the dictator during martial law, I would leave our troops stranded in Iraq and fly home the 180,000 hired guns we have over there. Then I would call in the Canadian troops to help and brake out all of the new crowd control technology we have. Lasers used at a miles distance that give a burning sensation but don't actually cause damage, sound weapons that only affect younger people, there is all kinds of cool stuff I would use. Not that it matters but the martial law executive order made sure to include the economy as a reason for it and by chance, was signed within months of the black water contract.

What else have we got lately? Thought crime bill, what else? I know there have been more signed recently that just dont seem too necessary.

So, when you give your opinion with the cool little smiley, just remember...its just YOUR opinion like anyone elses. But by the sounds of it, the conspiracy theorists have actually tried to educate themselves, you on the other hand?




Canada and the U.S. have signed an agreement that paves the way for the militaries from either nation to send troops across each other’s borders during an emergency, but some are questioning why theHarper government has kept silent on the deal.Neither the Canadian government nor the Canadian Forces announced the new agreement, which was signed Feb. 14 in Texas.

The U.S. military’s Northern Command, however, publicized the agreement with a statement outlining how its top officer, Gen. Gene Renuart, and Canadian Lt.-Gen. Marc Dumais, head of Canada Command, signed the plan, which allows the military from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a civil emergency.

[earth mom]

39. * wants to be Dictatortot aka King George. I have NO doubt he's looking for a way to make it happen.

So any excuse will work for him.

:tinfoilhat:

[Zynx]

40. It takes an army far larger than we have to subdue this country.

I am not worried about that.

[leftofthedial]

41. It worked for Hitler

[Ichingcarpenter]

42. 6 months.....mid July

When food becomes an issue.

[JDPriestly]

43. Funny you should ask: The LA riots began April 1992.

I remember them well. I was working in a building overlooking South L.A. In case you are too young to remember what happened, 1992 was the last year of the first Bush administration and the year of the election of Clinton.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

44. yes.

The blacks looted all the Korean and Oriental stores in the hood and torchedt hem.

My daughter's best friend was orphaned by those riots and raised by his aunt here. I just found this out recently.

He was 7, wandered off on his bicycle to play and when he came back the hood was torched. Now he's in college and doing well.

[Xenotime]

47. Yes. The most simple solution will be to declare a dictatorship.

* is not beyond doing that as a reason to stay in office.