Down Goes Telcom Immunity

[KharmaTrain]

The House just passed their revised FISA bill WITHOUT immunity...a big loss to this regime. Congrats to House Democrats...Nadler, Conyers, Reyes, Hoyer and others for standing up for our liberties and finally showing some spine.

:applause:

On Edit: I hope now those court cases can move forward...the real victory in this vote!

Discuss...

[ThomWV]

1. Notice, the Blue Dog Democrats went from 21 down to 3

Only 3 Democrats voted against it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Well to quote Ramn Emmanuel, civil liberties are back in fashion

[LSK]

10. not for everyone

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3007988&mesg_id=3007988

:banghead:

[KharmaTrain]

20. The Earth Here Shook

Even my Blue Dog voted in favor...or so I was told. Good on her. Finally!!!

[Uncle Joe]

21. Who were the 3 that voted against it? n/t

[tbyg52]

36. I believe Lampson (TX-22) was one of them. nt

[Wizard777]

2. YES! There is still hope for them. n/t

[Botany]

3. snort!

bush & Cheney need the immunity because they
broke the law ....

Remember that ATT first spying was in Feb. 2001
long before 9-11

[durablend]

12. My thoughts exactly

How long until Smirk comes back on to castigate the Democrats for turning the country over to the terrists?

[niyad]

4. now maybe the senate will grow spine

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

Yep I will be phoning both of them.

[malaise]

6. Bravo Dems

Not this time!!

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

7. K&R

Well done, House.

[horseshoecrab]

8. Spine looks good on the Dems!

Great job by all of them.

:patriot:

horseshoecrab

[asdjrocky]

9. Saw it, wonderful job Dem's!

Can anyone direct me to the best site for finding out who voted for what? I'd like to know the 10 Democrats that voted nay.

[Pastiche423]

33. Roll Call...

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll145.xml

[malaise]

11. Senate Dems better travel with care over the Easter

weekend.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

13. Chimps in orbit, head exploding, Dick snarlingly

good news. Even if it only manifests itself in the WH having a shitty day.

[drmeow]

14. Maybe they are pissed about Spitzer n/t

[DainBramaged]

26. You bet they are, and Bathroom Boy and Diaper Head are still in Congress

[drmeow]

31. Its about freakin' time they got pissed

and wised up to the fact that this shit is designed to and being explicitly used against them (this pseudo liberals in power) as well as us lowly run of the mill liberals.

[SpiralHawk]

35. "I did not put the diapers on my head, silly. I wore them over my unit ." - Sen. David Vitter (R)

[progressoid]

15. Well, I'll be damned.

Way to go House!

[Ichingcarpenter]

16. Any word on the final vote?

Is it enough to over ride a veto? Which won't really matter.

[KharmaTrain]

19. It Shouldn't Matter

This is a major wrench being thrown at this regime. The House bill (without immunity) is different than the Senate bill (with immunity)...and since they're different now the House & Senate will have to meet...in "conference" to hammer out the differences and then go at it again. This could mean sending the House version back to the Senate where it probably won't pass there...and if it is, it will be vetoed. Or it could mean starting all over again.

In either case, the House will go into pro-forma session for two weeks in a few hours and the chance of a FISA bill being passed this year looks in real bad shape.

The question I'm curious about is if this vote is sufficient for courts to move forward with the pending cases against the telcoms...if they do, then the truth about the depth of the wiretapping and invasion of American privacy will come to light. This could be a very big vote.

[nashville_brook]

28. wow -- thank you for that synoposis!!

i wasn't quite understanding the significance.

[dave123williams]

34. Everybody but Bush wins by keeping this on a back burner, letting it die in conference.

[suffragette]

17. K&R

That's the way to :kick: it to 'em.
Nicely done, House Democrats.

[libnnc]

Suck on it, chimpy.

:thumbsup:

[underpants]

18. HELL YEAH!

They actually did it.

[Oilwellian]

22. Fabulous news!

We need to call Hoyer, Conyers, Reyes and others and THANK them for finally doing something right.

[wiggs]

23. Need an update: doesn't the bill make spying legal without granting

retroactive immunity? Doesn't it allow the WH to bypass the FISA court more often going forward? Doesn't it give more power to a rogue administration that's proven itself criminal and unconstitutional already on dozens of other counts? Doesn't it undercut our right to security in our homes and papers?

So how much of a victory is this? Does anyone care to predict that GWB will sign the bill without immunity so as to continue spying (legally, now) on our emails and phone calls under the guise of fighting terrorism?

I personally will find it more of a victory if the WH doesn't sign the bill due to the immunity poison pill and the whole thing fails. They simply need to follow current law and get court approval shortly after wiretapping.

[elizfeelinggreat]

24. HOORAY!

After the last few days, I sure wish the board was overwhelmed with threads about this good news!

Go Dems!

Something to raise a glass to later!

[wtmusic]

25. Rock and roll.

:toast:

[dhill926]

27. and now...

cue up terror threats....put nothing past the criminals in charge....

[better tomorrow]

29. now how long before they charge Bushie with some crimes

[warren pease]

30. I see the terra-ists win again... it's a black day for the forces of goodness and decency...

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I also see Kucinich voted nay. Anyone have any idea how in hell that could be? I think he also voted nay on the previous immunity vote, but I'm not certain.


wp

On edit: here's the thread that lists the Dem nay votes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3009440

[HCE SuiGeneris]

32. Contacted his office...

no official response was forthcoming. My guess is that the bill was too lenient in its wording in protecting the citizens with regard to surveillance. Again, just my guess.