First secret session since 1983-

[asdjrocky]

Get ready to bend over people, we're gonna get screwed. Dennis objected, then removed his objection, Doggett of Tx is objecting right now.

[saracat]

1. What secret session. i must have missed the news? Congress?

[asdjrocky]

2. It's on the span right now.

The minority whip, and the majority leader, with some others will hold secret session tonight, regarding what else? FISA.

This is bad in so many ways.

[VP505]

6. They want a secret session to

debate FISA.

[tridim]

22. Isn't that the definition of irony?

[VP505]

3. Thank You

Dennis Kucinich. He is opposed to secret sessions and has told the House that his experience with Secret Meetings in the past have been used to advance false information which at least one individual (unnamed) sitting in the chamber now has done that.

[asdjrocky]

4. I'm keeping this kicked.

Can I get some help?

[kirby]

5. Big whoop..

A 'secret' or 'executive' session of Congress is so that CLASSIFIED information can be discussed, such as 'so called' specific terror attacks that have been averted or discussing the exact nature of secret wiretapping. Committees that ddeal with classified information hold secret sessions all the time (Defense, Intelligence). Its just rare for the whole congress to do so. The actual process of 'sweeping' the chambers for listening devices and such is fairly complicated and time consuming. I would be surprised if they could really accomplish it as quick as the Republican think--thus a publicity stunt.

[asdjrocky]

10. This is not a regular executive session.

They've had like 5 or 6 of these. Ever. No media allowed, no public and the members are allowed to discuss nothing of the information gathered. The pugs called for the session, publicity stunt, sure, but what is going to be said? If the majority leaders come back with a different opinion on immunity, are we supposed to then just assume that it's for our own good? Not me.

Stunt or not, I'm bothered.

[JuniperLea]

27. do you know how rare this is?

big whoop my lily white ass... jeez.

[kirby]

30. The motion is rare, but the requirement...

to discuss classified information in a secure environment is nothing new.

[JuniperLea]

42. The fact that this rare situation is happening is the issue here...

Not the rules and regs.

[ThomWV]

7. I'll be god damned! Do you see what they are doing?

They are going to have a secrete session in which secrete information WILL NOT be disclosed. The Republicans will reference stuff they say they have seen, but they will not present secrete information. Secrete session in the People's House. How in hell does this happen.

Its only happened 3 times in our history, but there are men standing on the House floor right this minute who have been in all 3 of the sessions.

[VP505]

9. Notice how the Reptilians are

making a point of anything said in the secret session has to remain secret regardless if its classified info or not?

[ThomWV]

13. This just plain has me steaming.

[asdjrocky]

18. Who has the classified information?

Now Roy Blunt of Missouri has the information. Sure, he knows more than anyone.

[asdjrocky]

11. Stunt or not-

We should know that they are doing it, and that the pugs called for it. With the promis of "information."

Crap. We know it. Will the MSM go along? Of course they will.

[Kool Kitty]

8. Kick.

Dammit. :kick:

[4dsc]

12. WTF is going on here

Just tuned into cspan and I'm not liking what I'm hearing..

[ThomWV]

14. We are being bent over and broke down like a shotgun

[asdjrocky]

16. If the Dem's come back-

And vote immunity, we spank em. We hit em hard.

[asdjrocky]

15. Watch the pugs-

You have to ask yourself, how are we supposed to believe that members of the minority have information to give the members of the majority? Answer, they don't. It's crap. Now we have to call them on it.

[Donnachaidh]

17. Get ON the phones and start SCREAMING!

Steny Hoyer needs to be run out of town on a rail if he goes with this! :grr:

[asdjrocky]

19. I'm calling and typing at the same time.

We need to get the word out on this to everyone.

[asdjrocky]

20. "The timing is not up to me."

Roy Blunt, the guy who is asking for the secret session.

[jhain]

21. kicking n/t

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

23. This is when thugs for Shrub corner everyone in secret session to scare the shit out of them.

Don't be surprised if it leads to immunity for the telecoms.

[asdjrocky]

24. Or is it when they pull out the pictures?

You know the kind of pictures I'm talking about. This is total crap, and it's our job to let our Rep know, and to let the others know as well.

WE DON'T BUY IT!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

28. I just called my Congressman to implore him not to vote for the Senate version. I left the message

with an aide.

[asdjrocky]

35. Yeah, Doris Matsui has my vote as well.

[eShirl]

25. those are my thoughts as well

:(

[bluesmail]

41. for years they've had the snot scared out of them

Blackmail greymail, you name it, the ultimate mafia is running amok with our democracy. whew

[Jack Bone]

26. Kicked & Recommended!!

:patriot: :kick:

[asdjrocky]

32. Thanks the the kick redstate!

And good to see you.

[bluesmail]

29. K & R

edited to thank the author of this thread

[VP505]

31. Kick

:+

[tkmorris]

33. I have a question

When in a "secret session", if information is discussed that is *not* classified, does it become by default classified and not subject to public debate? In other words, could such a session be used to prevent public debate on non-classified material?

[asdjrocky]

38. Wow, that's a good question.

I hope someone smart enough comes along to answer it.

[ThomWV]

39. This is a god dam stunt to get around the Committee process

If this information was appropriate for the full House to have John Conyers would have had his committee report it out.

DOD DAM IT!!!

[VP505]

49. I don't know if it becomes classified but the

House members can not repeat anything that was said in the secret session so it might as well be classified. BTW, that was what most of the objection by a number of Dem's was about, they didn't want to be in a position to not be able to discuss FISA openly when it comes to the floor tomorrow.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

34. Please call your Reps! I just called mine. Remind them it will be info from the same liars

who led us to an unjustified illegal war!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

36. Blount is backing down to how "secret" the info is. He said that it has been available to

the appropriate committees.

[asdjrocky]

40. I noticed that.

So I have to ask, what's the emergency? He's even saying that most of the members all ready have the information.

Gawd these bastards piss me off. Now he thinks we can benefit from a "discussion."

[tkmorris]

43. Then Mr. Blount is directly questioning the authority

of the Intelligence Committee. If the Intelligence Committee has access to this "information" but does not deem it necessary to disseminate it to the entire House, Mr. Blount is directly challenging their competence. It sounds to me as if he is trying to circumvent the Democratic leadership of that committee. The response should be a simple "No, shut up and sit down", but somehow it isn't. I suspect the reason for that is related to Mr. Hoyer's deep and profound respect for Mr. Blount, which Steny keeps reminding everyone about.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

47. And where was Pelosi in all of this? I turned it on about an hour ago and hadn't heard her say boo.

[asdjrocky]

48. She's never there.

I can't remember the last time I saw her when Congress was in session, and I'm addicted to the span.

[jhain]

37. Thomas Jefferson

The most effectual engines for are the public papers... government always a kind of standing army of newswriters who, without any regard to truth or to what should be like truth, and put into the papers whatever might serve the ministers.

Thomas Jefferson to G. K. van Hogendorp
Oct. 13, 1785. (*) ME 5:181, Papers 8:632

[asdjrocky]

44. That asshat Blunt is totally backing down now.

The Dem's have done a good job here so far.

[asdjrocky]

45. David Scott of Georgia so kicks ass today.

[asdjrocky]

46. And.....

So ordered.

[bluesmail]

50. Does anyone know how long this secret session will be in session

????

[asdjrocky]

51. I heard it was for an hour.

But I might be wrong.