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Q Okay. And did someone express a concern that the pictures should be made public anyhow to prevent having an impact on Mr. Siegelman's political future?
A They did. And that was Rob Riley.
Q Okay. And what did he say about that?
A He said that he felt they should go to the press with the pictures, but there was some disagreement about that.
Q Okay. And what was that disagreement?
A Bill Canary said that in order, basically, to get this over with, that not to worry, that Don -- that his
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girls would get him. Let's just go ahead and get this election contest over with, I guess would be the best way, you know. Because Rob kept saying, I want Don Siegelman not to run. They were talking over each other in that particular -- I don't want to face -- we don't want to face Don in running again in the future. And Bill said -- and that part didn't exactly make it into my affidavit. But Bill said, "Rob, don't worry. My girls are getting him, will take care of him." But he said, "Let's get this election contest behind us."
Q I understand.
A And Rob was going, well, I think we need to go to the press. So there was some kind of conversation about that.
Q As you've said. And by him, Bill Canary meant Don Siegelman; that's what you understood?
A Yes. He said not to worry about Don Siegelman; you know what I mean?
Q Yes.
A That his girls would take care of him.
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Q Can you describe that part of the conversation?
A Well, what he said -- Bill Canary told him not to worry. He had already got it taken care of with Karl. And that Karl had spoken to the Justice Department and the Justice Department was already pursuing Don Siegelman.
Q And did you know who he meant by Karl?
A I did.
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Q Who did you think he meant?
A Karl Rove.
Q Did he ever say Karl Rove?
A No. But I knew from conversations that I had had with Rob that Bill Canary was very connected to Karl Rove. Additionally, there was some talk -- and that's not in my affidavit -- about Karl had -- about Washington; that Karl had it taken care of in Washington. I mean, as I said, I couldn't put everything down. I put the best I could, but I didn't write every single word that occurred in that. So I understood that to be -- and the only Karl I knew involved in Rob's conversation was Karl Rove. So that's how I understood it.
Q And what was the additional talk that you say isn't reflected here about Washington?
A Well, the additional part of that was, as I understood, Karl had been over to the Justice Department.
Q There is some reference -- he had physically gone there?
A That's what I understood.
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Q And is your understanding, then, that the conversation between Bob Riley and Bill Canary and Karl Rove would have occurred sometime in 2004?
A I understood -- whenever Alice's case was over -- which we had the discussion -- I don't know when it was over, but I think it was in October or September from what I've been told. But sometime between when that case had ended and when -- and I kind of understood from what --
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Q Okay. And did Rob give you the name of the person at -- I'm just going to call it Public Integrity -- that he thought he understood Karl Rove had spoken to?
A No, he said it was the head guy there and he said that that guy had agreed to allocate whatever resources, so evidently the guy had the power to allocate resources, you know.
Q To the Siegelman prosecution?
A Yes. And that he'd allocate all resources necessary.
Q And did Rob -- well, did you discuss anything else about the reason to bring the case or the decision to bring the case in the Middle District?
A Oh, yes.
Q And what is that?
A I asked Rob why we needed to bring it in that area. And, of course, he mentioned Leura Canary, Bill Canary's wife, would be a good reason as to why to bring it. But he also mentioned Mark Fuller.
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Q And what did you learn at that time?
A Rob told me that Mark Fuller was still a government contractor in 2005 and a United States Federal judge, which I found unusual.
Q Did he discuss with you any of the types of contracts that Mark Fuller was working?
A Yes, he did.
Q What did he say about that?
A He said that Fuller was doing fuel contracts, that he was doing maintenance contracts, that he was doing clothing contracts. He -- he makes flight suits. So you know. And he had Air Force and Navy and that he was -- did contracts with the FBI.
Q Okay.
A And I think the ATF, but -- I'm pretty sure he said the ATF also, but I'm not sure.
Q And did he talk to you about Mark Fuller's politics or political work?
A He did.
Q What did you talk about in that regard?
A I asked him -- he made a statement that Fuller would hang Don Siegelman. And I asked him how he knew that, if he got him in his court. And he said that Fuller was -- had
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