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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 08:03 PM
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Does anyone here "get" Buckley or Limbaugh? I don't think so. (DU Rush fans, are you out there?)
It's "Be Kind to a Conservative" Day at my house.

OK, I'm asking for it and I know it. But today I found myself singing the praises of William F. Buckley and Rush Limbaugh (I heard about Buckley's death on the Limbaugh Show.) Bottom line: Buckley was a first rate public intellectual and a true gentleman, and Limbaugh is one of the most influential media figures EVER...right up there with Horace Greeley, William Randolph Hearst, and Walter Cronkite.

Let's admit it--a lot of us listen to Rush. I even enjoy him, when he's not pissing me off with his global warming idiocy or that Club Gitmo crap.

I just put my cup on, so let me have it.

In his bestseller See, I Told You So, Rush Limbaugh says that his job is really pretty simple: to draw the largest radio audience he can. That's typical Limbaugh humility (yes, I used "Limbaugh" and "humility" in the same sentence...twice.)

Rush knows full well that he's become a major figure in both American media and politics. That became undeniable last week during the dust-up between The New York Times and John McCain over The Times story hinting that the Senator had an affair with a lobbyist eight years ago. Not only was Rush's response to the story covered on talk radio and cable news networks, where the 24-hour news cycle cries for content at any cost, but also on the broadcast network news and in daily newspapers across the country, where editorial standards remain high.

My question is, has Rush been sucked into the mainstream media, the "drive-bys" he so relentlessly attacks?

There's no denying Limbaugh's stature in the media; his radio audience alone approaches 20 million listeners per week, plus he publishes some of the best political satire around at The Limbaugh Letter, his books were both bestsellers, and politicos and media critics quote and analyze him ad nauseum. The man wields considerable influence.

I'd go so far as to say that only three media figures in American history have exerted such influence: Horace Greeley, who fostered various social reforms and played a key role in putting an end to slavery; William Randolph Hearst, who is often credited with helping to start the Spanish-American War; and Walter Cronkite, who is often credited with ending the Vietnam War. (Lyndon Johnson responded to Cronkite's famous commentary on the futility of that war by saying, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America.")

I should admit that while I've taken Rush to task in more than one forum, I'm also a fan of his. What fascinates me about Rush is that his persona is so multi-faceted, and that his commentary is so deep and funny at the same time. I don't think many on the left or the right quite "get" the man or his schtick. The left, for instance, tends to take him at face value--a shallow, bigoted, knee-jerk conservative. The right, on the other hand, tends to do exactly the same thing!

If you take either the man or his words at face value, you're missing the point. Rush appeals to so many precisely because he can be interpreted in so many ways. Shallow liberals and shallow conservatives can drink at the surface of his reservoir of knowledge and wit, responding with spite and glee, respectively. More nuanced thinkers can chuckle at his put-on excesses: the feigned bravado, the innuendo, the hyperbole, the intentionally over-the-top tweaking of liberals. The irreverant mind can marvel at his satirical skills, the linguistic at his language skills, the mnemonic at his uncanny memory, and the holistic at his ability to connect the dots of our national conversation.

Rush deosn't mean for us to take him seriously; he does expect us to take conservatism seriously. That's the genius of Limbaugh: he's a virtuoso entertainer and satirist, but at the same time, an unwavering advocate for conservative philosophy.

A college dropout, Rush likes to note that he failed Public Speaking twice. As a professor who teaches that course, I have to say, Rush gets an A+ in my book. I also think he's been responsible for almost single-handedly correcting a blatant liberal bias in the American media, though to some degree he's levelled that playing field with mud and slime. (His offspring, notably Hannity and Coulter, use bovine excrement for the same purpose.)

To answer the question above, has Rush been coopted by the mainstream media?

Not even close. In fact, I'll bet he's laughing at the drive-bys for taking him so seriously...laughing all the way to the bank


http://newsprism.wordpress.com">And here's my tribute to Buckley
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 08:05 PM
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1. Nope, I'm not a fan of the pill pusher.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 08:07 PM
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2. ' Buckley was a first rate public intellectual & a true gentleman' -who wanted AIDS patients BRANDED
Eccch.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 08:07 PM
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3. Rush is a racist, homophobic, misogynistic, ruptured anal cyst with no redeeming qualities.
at all.

Are you sure you stumbled into the right party?
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 08:10 PM
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4. Wild hair up my ass today...what can I say?
I don't think that highly of Rush, but can't deny his influence.
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hoosier_lefty Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 08:18 PM
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5. I invented the "Rush" game
I tune into his program and only listen until he says
"Clinton" in a derogatory way, then quickly change the chanel.

Needless to say it's been about 15 years of not listening very much to Rush Limbaugh.

He has a right to his own opinion, I just don't care to listen to it.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 08:18 PM
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6. I think Rush is great!
Rush, the band, that is. :P
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 08:19 PM
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7. white supremacists are "southern gentlemen" now?
What does that mean? He wore white shoes to match his hood?
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 08:25 PM
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12. Maybe, but never after Labor Day
Do you have one iota of evidence Buckley was a white supremacist? Or are you one of those so full of prejudice towards the South that you think anything goes?
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:30 PM
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20. Not sure how you interpreted that as anti-southern sentiment.
I wasn't critiquing the south. I was critiquing an individual. Apparently you have some issues there, but those are yours, not mine.

Anyone who writes this is a white supremacist:
The central question that emerges…is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas where it does not predominate numerically? The sobering answer is Yes—the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race.


You called him a "true southern gentleman." I don't view racists as gentlemen of any sort. I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, in assuming you don't find racists to be decent human beings. With that in mind, I am presuming you equate "southern gentlemen" with following some antiquated rules of etiquette that have more to do with fashion than with being a decent human being.

Clear enough?
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 08:20 PM
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8. OK, you asked for it. *Punches civildisoBDence in the groin and walks away* nm
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 08:23 PM
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11. An appropriate virtual action for someone named DickSteele
Luckily for me, my cup is made of titanium.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 08:28 PM
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13. Curses!
My knuckles hurt.
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 08:52 PM
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14. OK, you did sort of make my stomach jump into my throat
You're alright with me, Dick.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 08:20 PM
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9. Yeah. I get them. It's obvious. They're a couple of lying fascists
that are members of the political entity that has deliberately all but destroyed both democracy and the well-being of an overwhelming majority of the citizens of the United States.

In a moderately sane world, Buckley and Limbaugh would be immediately dismissed as raving lunatics.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 08:21 PM
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10. Rush is an ignorant pig. Buckley was an educated chauvinist.
You like really creepy people.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 08:58 PM
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15. A lot of "us" listen to Rush?
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 08:59 PM by senseandsensibility
Who's a lot of us? Why are you praising him on this forum? What evidence or examples do you have that he is not a hateful rightwing blowhard? How about some examples of this famous wit you're so enamored of? I agree with the above poster. You like really creepy people.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:07 PM
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16. You must also like self mutilation
and eye enucleation.


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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:17 PM
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17. Sheesh, what a caustic crew tonight!
Even in (really) long ago college days, fellow liberals and I were able to appreciate Buckley's incredible use of the language and ability to do battle with it. We laughed at his RW ideas, but enjoyed the displays of intelligence. I seem to remember that JFK recognized, perhaps admired him in the same way. So, RIP, you silver tongued intellectual.

I heard only about 5 minutes of Limbaugh discussing Buckley today, without knowing that the man had died. My thought was that Limbaugh was acknowledging his own attempts to emulate Buckley and perhaps, in his self-aggrandizing way, to replace him as THE conservative spokesman.
That would explain a lot--and he will never measure up, IMO. He certainly is a force in our times, though.

Thanks, civildisobeBDence--it's nice to have some open-minded OPs in view.

P.S. Have you come across the comedian Haywood Banks' "Injury to the Groin?" Funny, if low level, ditty.



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:29 PM
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19. There's some things I don't want to open my mind to, like hatred.
Buckley was a poisonous influence in this culture for his defense of segregation alone. That he was well spoken is only gilding on a rotten lily. Rush is his low rent media cognate. That he is a "force" in American culture is cause for shame, not admiration.



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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:31 PM
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21. You said it. nt
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:41 PM
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22. Like I said, we used to laugh at his ideas, confident in seeing them
as outrageous. I sneer at Rush, but also realize that he verbalizes things being said in my area.*

*My community being one which keeps electing Mitch McConnell, damn it.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:20 PM
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18. Buckley was a real nobody.
Rush is too.
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