Bush wants Democracy in CUBA! Okay, give back GITMO! Hypocrite!

[L. Coyote]

What a total and complete contradiction, not to mention the absurd hypocrisy!

The US is occupying part of Cuba and, at the same time, Bush said Cuba should be a democracy.
A good start would be to leave their territory, and allow them to govern it!

When will Up be up again? and Truth be true again?

[tekisui]

1. Especially since Cuba has officially demanded Gitmo be returned.

[Thothmes]

19. Simply demanding the return of Gitmo

does not meet the termination requirements of the 1934 lease. Either both parties have to agree to the return of the land to Cuba or the United States has to abandon the property. We pay the approximate $5000 lease payment every year. Cuba has not cashed the checks since the early 1960s. It is one treaty where we scrupulously follow the treaty terms.

[MikeNearMcChord]

2. Also tell any Americans who lost property in Cuba

to get over it, it has been nearly 50 years, and I am not going to war just because Chaquita(United Fruit} lost all those sugar plantations. And tell the rich Cuban exiles, not with our sons and daughters.

[tanyev]

5. Yeah, especially those famous descendants of the George Herbert Walker family.

[bdamomma]

3. oh, * can take his interpretation of democracy and shove it.

he has made the word "democracy" a mockery. I am sure Castro instructed his parliament to keep the US especially * away from Cuba interests.

[EFerrari]

4. CSPAN had a mendiga from the Miami Herald on, spewing.

But most of the callers are defending Castro and saying hands off Cuba.

[bdamomma]

6. I don't blame them either for saying hands off.

can't this stupid man just give it up please, he is our biggest threat. Hmmm...I wonder where that satellite will land.

[mvccd1000]

7. My ship spent the better part of the summer in 1994 picking boat people out of the water.

I can tell you for a FACT that not all Cubans view their country - or their leader - as the paradise some people want to make it out to be.

I still have some of their cigarettes that they traded us. :)

[malaise]

15. Everyone has their view on Fidel

Mine is simple - at the end of the day his people have the best health care, the best dental care, the best education and the best disaster plan in the hemisphere.

Since life is what ultimately counts, he gets high marks from me. Sure he had his flaws but find one leader in this hemisphere who left office with his people healthier and more educated than when he began his tenure and then we'll talk.

A healthy body and a superior education system based on reason and not superstition makes for a good future.

[mvccd1000]

18. Very true.

Those qualities of life must not outweigh freedom, however, because people are dying to get out of Cuba, and people are dying to get into the US.

I don't see anyone dying to achieve good health care or education, do you?

I cannot argue your point that great education and health make for a good future.

[GirlinContempt]

20. People die to acheve these things. or die because they don't have them.

You get Cuban immigrants because of your asinine laws regarding Cuban immigration. Cubans often leave the US to go back to Cuba. And, people die trying to get over from Mexico and other south American nations, so-called democracies, ones with capitalism. I don't really get where you are going with that.

This "freedom" canard is wearisome. How free can you be when you aren't even free to be healthy, have basic education, etc? "freedom" doesn't even have a definition in this context, but people throw it around as if it is meaningful and true.

[mvccd1000]

21. I suppose I should have added opportunity to that statement.

Many Central Americans come here for opportunity, obviously, and risk death doing so.

Cubans risk death from their own government, just for trying to leave. Free health care and education must not be #1 on their list, if they are willing to risk death to get away from it.

People die to leave there, and people die to come here. I haven't heard of anyone dying to leave here, or dying to go there, and that tells me that people want to come here, in spite of the lack of freebies.

I suppose that's where I was going with that... did I make my view any clearer?

[monmouth]

8. Bush is gonna look at this as a "legacy opportunity."...n/t

[L. Coyote]

10. Reagan saved us from Global Communism, and Bush saved us from Castro! LOL!

[Javaman]

9. is he* talking Iraq style democracy?

:scared:

[thoughtcrime1984]

11. I know- Let's take over Cuba and then they can vote Republican

in the GE! They get 200 EV's.

Eternally your murkin President,

W

[L. Coyote]

12. The Cuban Republicans already vote in the USA, as Miami Cubans.

The ones who want to stay in Cuba are not the Republicans!!
And the Cuban Republicans have an advantage under immigration
law, a free pass into Florida with the dry foot provision.

If they set foot in Florida, they get to stay.
This provision cost Gore votes, beyond a doubt,
and may be just one more reason we have Bush in office!!

[Disturbed]

13. What would happen if the next US Admin. lifted the

Embargo on Cuba?

[L. Coyote]

14. Floridians would strip the Cuban shelves of cheap medicines, clog dentists offices, ....

All those Republican Cubans in Miami would be running to get in on the free medical care, saying, "I'm a Cuban!" if they could just fly back in the evening.

[Initech]

16. The question is - will he bring democracy to Cuba the same way he brought democracy to Iraq?

:popcorn:

[Fuzz]

17. It's interesting hearing pubbies saying they want to see labor unions

formed and other 'democratic institutions' in Cuba as a sign that they are moving in the right direction when all they are trying to do is destroy those institutions in THIS country.

Fucking fascist assholes can't even see the hypocrisy.