Octafish alert: Exclusive: Dallas County DA's office finds cache of JFK memorabilia

[Horse with no Name]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/021708dnmetjackruby.3bde49f.html
>>>snip
But the curator of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza said the conversation could not have happened.

Terri Moore, Mr. Watkins' top assistant, said she believes the transcript is part of a movie that Mr. Wade was working on with producers.

"It's not real. Crooks don't talk like that," she said.

"If that transcript is true, then history is changed because Oswald and Ruby were talking about assassinating the president."

[seemslikeadream]

1. A BIG kick

[Octafish]

17. Transcript in JFK-related discovery will fuel conspiracy chatter

Gee. This doesn't look good for Lee Harvey Oswald. On the other hand, what Garrison and Mellen found is that LHO was working for the FBI and possibly also for the CIA. His apparent assignment was to infiltrate the real conspirators' organization. It's most likely they were on to him, thanks to the top dogs in the conspiracy also being top dogs in the intelligence community, government and mafia.

Still can't get to the original article. Same thing keeps happening to PC.

Here's what I found from the AP:

Transcript in JFK-related discovery will fuel conspiracy chatter

(c) 2008 The Associated Press
AP Texas News
Feb. 17, 2008, 11:46AM

DALLAS — Conspiracy theorists will love the latest find related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

A highly suspect transcript discussing a plot to kill the president — right out of a "bad B movie," one doubter says — is among a cache of JFK-related memorabilia discovered by the Dallas County District Attorney's Office.

The items were found in an old safe on the 10th floor of the county courthouse, The Dallas Morning News reported in an exclusive story in Sunday's editions.

Dallas County District Attorney Craig Watkins said the discovery includes letters to and from former DA Henry Wade, the prosecutor in the Jack Ruby trial. Ruby shot and killed Kennedy assassin Lee Harvey Oswald two days after the president's death.

There are also letters to Ruby, records from his trial, a gun holster and clothing that probably belonged to Ruby and Oswald, said Watkins, who planned to discuss the find at a Monday news conference.

Most of the attention is bound to focus on the transcript between Ruby and Oswald, who supposedly met at Ruby's nightclub on Oct. 4, 1963, less than two months before the Nov. 22 assassination. In it, they talked of killing the president because the mafia wanted to "get rid of" his brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy.

Says Oswald in the transcript, "I can still do it, all I need is my rifle and a tall building; but it will take time, maybe six months to find the right place; but I'll have to have some money to live on while I do the planning."

CONTINUED...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/5548431.html

This is an amazing find. Truly fantastic information.

Not weird seeing the fellah from the Sixth Floor coming out against it so darn fast, either.

BIG Favor Needed: Can you please send me the text from the articla via PM?

For some reason, I've had to restart my computer every time I've tried accessing the article.
The thing goes into a continual loop with nothing downloading.
I've seen similar things happen on my old Mac, but never on this newfangled PC thing.

[scarletwoman]

2. Fascinating -- k&r (nt)

[seemslikeadream]

3. Thanks for reminding me to r!

:hi:

[scarletwoman]

10. You're welcome! Just needs one more rec! (nt)

[Ichingcarpenter]

4. Dallas news has been busy today

First the Sibel Edmonds story and now this? Wow!

[seemslikeadream]

5. Where's the Sibel story!

I'm getting a late start this morning

[Ichingcarpenter]

7. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2879062

[seemslikeadream]

8. Thanks Ichingcarpenter

:hi:

[Octafish]

6. Jim Garrison was right. Joan Mellen documented it.

Here's what we do know, courtesy of Prof. Mellen:

WHO RULES AMERICA? HOW DID WE GET HERE?

Joan Mellen
Stewart Mott House, Washington, D.C., September 14, 2007.

I like to begin my talks with a mantra. It goes like this. Jim Garrison, district attorney of Orleans Parish, whose investigation into the Kennedy assassination is the subject of my book, “A Farewell To Justice,” after it was all over and Clay Shaw was acquitted, was asked: how could you ever have believed that you could convict CIA operative Clay Shaw for participation in the conspiracy to kill President Kennedy in a state court in Louisiana?

“I guess I thought I was living in the country I was born in,” Garrison said.

This line has particular resonance today. Many of us were not born in a country where martial law was legitimized; where the President could countermand any law he wanted to with promiscuous signing statements; where there was illegal government surveillance of citizens accompanied by neither warrants nor probable cause; where what library books you took out could become known to the government; where America, having legalized the use of torture, was defined as a country inevitably pursuing preemptive foreign wars, and where, as in George Orwell's “1984,” war was a permanent part of the country's identity. You all know the litany.

It also has become clear even to those in deepest denial that the Democrats are not about to reverse these assaults on the U.S. Constitution. In policy, in principle and in action, the Democrats are revealing themselves as offering no substantive difference from the party in power. Howard Zinn made the point that there was little difference between the two parties in “A People's History of the United States,” first published in 1980. Zinn's observation is more true than ever today as some people, albeit half-heartedly, continue to be tempted to place their faith in a change of administrations in the hope of reversing the damage to the democratic fabric we have witnessed in the past eight years.

In our continuing attempt to understand when this assault on the Constitution began in earnest, so that in the administration of George W. Bush it accelerated at so astonishing a pace, I would like first to raise the question of whether it is in to fact true that with Bush and Cheney we have seen an inflation of the power of the Executive. Or has the power of the president in fact shrunk so drastically that it is entirely inappropriate to blame Bush for the war, or for the assault on the Constitution? Let me suggest that it is the organ grinder with whom we have to be concerned, rather than the monkey.

Sometimes there is a historical moment where a society suffers a dramatic reversal in political direction.

I would place that moment at the assassination of President Kennedy. At that instant, the Bushes and the Cheneys, serving so diligently the Bechtels and Halliburtons and their multifarious cohort, mostly in the western part of the country, seized the political control of this country. This is why discussion of the murder of President Kennedy is as relevant today as it was in 1963 and 1964, and why there has never been nor will there ever be an honest investigation of this crime so long as that investigation is government-sponsored. That the Kennedy family, in particular Robert Kennedy, opposed any open investigation of President Kennedy's death is one dimension of the story that has led me to the conclusion that we must not look today to the Democratic Party for redress.

I spent seven years on my investigation of the Kennedy assassination. I went beyond Jim Garrison's work to include the thousands of documents released after his death to the National Archives under the JFK Act passed by a Congress with some interest in transparency. We are not likely to see similar legislation to open the records of the 9/11 Commission. That is not speculation. Philip Zelikow, the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, admitted on NPR that he was not about to make the same mistake the Warren Commission did; he was not about to release for public and scholarly scrutiny the documents his commission collected. When Lieutenant Colonel Tony Shaffer came forward with information about the “Able Danger” unit of military intelligence, he was swiftly discredited. The “New York Times” buried his astonishing revelations in its back pages. Col. Shaffer told me when I met him at the office of his attorney, Mark Zaid, that he had lost his job.

I interviewed more than a thousand people in my effort to contribute to the question of who planned the murder of President Kennedy. Among them was a former mercenary and soldier-of-fortune named Gerald Patrick Hemming, a shrewd former CIA asset, who remarked to me in passing, that “John F. Kennedy was the last president who thought he could take power.” In his youth, inexperience and sense of entitlement, Kennedy could not imagine that his CIA enemies would eliminate him.

President Kennedy knew that the CIA's clandestine service was undermining him at every turn. He knew that Richard Helms and his underlings were his blood enemies (you know the line, “I'll splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and cast them to the winds”), but he and we were astonished that the CIA and its military confreres would have so little respect for the office that represented the identity of the country that they would murder the head of state on the streets of an American city in broad daylight.

CONTINUED...

http://www.joanmellen.net/whorules.html

Thank you for the heads-up, Horse with no Name.
My computer's crashed twice trying to access the story.
ASAFP, I'll post what I got on the story.

Thanks also for remembering me, my Friend.

[Horse with no Name]

9. Wow. Amazing piece.

You are welcome. I always enjoy reading your posts.:thumbsup:

[bear425]

12. Pardon my ignorance on the subject, Octafish.

But is that the same Clay Shaw as the former Rep. of Florida Clay Shaw? Ty

[Ichingcarpenter]

14. No, do a google on it to research it.

I wanted to give a kick for Octafish's input anyway.

[bear425]

19. Thanks for the suggestion. My what a good resource Google is.

Clay Lavern Shaw, a.k.a. Clay Burtron. CIA operative and black opps organizer. Best known for his being put on trial for the Murder of President John F. Kennedy. United fruit co. and Onassis Inc. as well as CIA were his money sources.

[Ichingcarpenter]

22. Good one, now read all the stuff Octafish has found.

Octafish is one the best researchers on the subject
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Octafish

[Octafish]

20. The ignorance isn't your fault. Corporate McPravda has been ignoring the story since 22 Nov 1963.

The two Clay Shaws are not the same person, although they may be related.

Here's a good resource for getting the basics of the case:

A BASIC INTRODUCTION TO THE JFK ASSASSINATION

Michael T. Griffith

http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/id182.htm


Here's an excellent overview of New Orleans DA Jim Garrison's investigation -- the only government official to charge anyone with conspiracy in regards to the case.

Garrison's Case Finally Coming Together

by Martin Shackelford

http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/25th_Issue/shaw.html


Thanks for giving a damn, bear425 and Ichingcarpenter. It really means the world to me.

[bear425]

23. Thanks Octafish for your input regarding Clay Shaw.

I worked hard in 2006 to serve E. Clay Shaw his retirement papers and it would be interesting to know if there is any familial relationship there.

Regardless, the thing I love about you is that you never fail to provide further insight on a subject when another poster makes an inquiry. Google is a great tool, but it's no match for the personal, human response.

Thank you for caring so much.

[Octafish]

33. DU is a great resource, analytic tool and, best of all, human connector.

Thank you for your kind words, bear425. It is an honor to know you.

The reason for doing what we do on DU -- from finding an important read by Horse with no Name to me getting an alert from seemslikeadream to getting a good question from someone. It all adds up to truth that is passed around the Web. And these posts act as indictments for the Bush Crime Family.

Here's a bit more on Clay Shaw from our friends at Spartacus Schoolnet, one of the best JFK Research sites. ...

Clay Shaw's been glowingly portrayed by ABCNNBCBSFixNooseNutwork as a libeled businessman and, perhaps here and there, bon vivant. The truth may be closer to him being a stone cold CIA operative.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKshaw.htm

Building bridges with other human beings is the best way to wield the Truth about these treasonous turds. They fear most the Truth. It's best disseminated in an organized fashion. Thus, they really hate the Internets.

[scarletwoman]

13. Wow! That's an amazing piece. I've never come across Joan Mellen before.

Thanks for pointing her out!

sw

[Octafish]

32. George Herbert Walker Poppy Doc CIA Head MoFo in Dallas on 22 November 1963 Bush

Here's some money graphs, Good Looking...

Joan Mellen, professor of English, Tulane University,on the role of Big Texas Oil and the career of one George Herbert Walker Poppy Doc CIA Head MoFo in Dallas on 22 November 1963 Bush

"Among those who benefited immediately from the removal of President Kennedy and the ascendancy of Lyndon Johnson was a fabulously successful wildcatter named David Harold, also known as D.H. for “dry hole” Byrd. (Not all the holes, of course, were dry). Byrd's company LTV was about to go under. In early November, 1963, Byrd and a partner, James Ling, bought a sizable amount of outstanding LTV stock. Then LTV received the first defense contract from the Pentagon – for a fighter plane – accompanying the escalation of the war in Vietnam that was the direct result of the Kennedy assassination. Although that airplane was not ultimately built, LTV stock soared. As Byrd writes in his autobiography, “I've run fifty-two companies, many of them in no way connected with oil.” The man who brought George H. W. Bush west from Connecticut to Texas was named Neil Mallon, another of Byrd's partners.

Other Texas companies saved by the Vietnam War were Halliburton and Brown and Root, which Halliburton had purchased in – 1962. The Browns, even Herman, who began by hating Lyndon's New Deal tendencies, were Johnson's primary financial benefactors, as Robert Caro has shown. It was through my own research into Jim Garrison's New Orleans investigation that I found a 1967 CIA document revealing that George Brown was a CIA asset, and none of the historians have noticed that.

SOURCE:

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t70017.html

This information really makes a lot of people mad. Especially in Texas.

Thank you for understanding what to do about it, scarletwoman.

[Karenina]

11. K&R!

[Octafish]

26. What Jim Garrison told Playboy and why CIA did all it could to destroy him.

For those behind the assassination of President Kennedy: I can't think of a fate worse than being remembered as both "Murderer" and "Traitor."

Jim Garrison Interview

Playboy magazine, October 1967

EXCERPT...

PLAYBOY: Why do you believe the FBI report on Ferrie is classified?

GARRISON: For the same reason the President's autopsy X rays and photos and other vital evidence in this case are classified -- because they would indicate the existence of a conspiracy, involving former employees of the CIA, to kill the President.

PLAYBOY: When you resumed your investigation of Ferrie three years later, did you discover any new evidence?

GARRISON: We discovered a whole mare's-nest of underground activity involving the CIA, elements of the paramilitary right and militant anti-Castro exile groups. We discovered links between David Ferrie, Lee Oswald and Jack Ruby. We discovered, in short, what I had hoped not to find, despite my doubts about the Warren Commission -- the existence of a well-organized conspiracy to assassinate John Kennedy, a conspiracy that came to fruition in Dallas on November 22, 1963, and in which David Ferrie played a vital role.

PLAYBOY: Accepting for a moment your contention that there was a conspiracy to assassinate President John Kennedy, have you been able to discover who was involved -- in addition to Ferrie -- how it was done and why?

GARRISON: Yes, I have. President Kennedy was killed for one reason: because he was working for a reconciliation with the U.S.S.R. and Castro's Cuba. His assassins were a group of fanatic anti-Communists with a fusion of interests in preventing Kennedy from achieving peaceful relations with the Communist world. On the operative level of the conspiracy, you find anti-Castro Cuban exiles who never forgave Kennedy for failing to send in U.S. air cover at the Bay of Pigs and who feared that the thaw following the Missile Crisis in October 1962 augured the total frustration of their plans to liberate Cuba. They believed sincerely that Kennedy had sold them out to the Communists. On a higher, control level, you find a number of people of ultra-right-wing persuasion -- not simply conservatives, mind you, but people who could be described as neo-Nazi, including a small clique that had defected from the Minutemen because it considered the group "too liberal." These elements had their canteens ready and their guns loaded; they lacked only a target. After Kennedy's domestic moves toward racial integration and his attempts to forge a peaceful foreign policy, as exemplified by his signing of the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, they found that target. So both of these groups had a vital stake in changing U.S. foreign policy -- ideological on the part of the paramilitary rightists and both ideological and personal with the anti-Castro exiles, many of whom felt they would never see their homes again if Kennedy's policy of détente was allowed to succeed. The CIA was involved with both of these groups. In the New Orleans area, where the conspiracy was hatched, the CIA was training a mixed bag of Minutemen, Cuban exiles and other anti-Castro adventurers north of Lake Pontchartrain for a foray into Cuba and an assassination attempt on Fidel Castro. David Ferrie, who operated on the "command" level of the ultra-rightists, was deeply involved in this effort. The CIA itself apparently did not take the détente too seriously until the late summer of 1963, because it maintained its financing and training of anti-Castro adventurers. There was, in fact, a triangulation of CIA-supported anti-Castro activity between Dallas -- where Jack Ruby was involved in collecting guns and ammunition for the underground -- and Miami and New Orleans, where most of the training was going on. But then, Kennedy, who had signed a secret agreement with Khrushchev after the Missile Crisis pledging not to invade Cuba if Russia would soft-pedal Castro's subversive activities in the Americas, began to crackdown on CIA operations against Cuba. As a result, on July 31, 1963, the FBI raided the headquarters of the group of Cuban exiles and Minutemen training north of Lake Pontchartrain and confiscated all their guns and ammunition -- despite the fact that the operation had the sanction of the CIA. This action may have sealed Kennedy's fate.

By the early fall of 1963, Kennedy's plan for a détente with Cuba was in high gear. Ambassador William Attwood, a close personal friend of the late President, recounts that a thaw in U.S.-Cuban relations was definitely in the works at this time and "the President more than the State Department was interested in exploring the overture." One of the intermediaries between Castro and Kennedy was the late television commentator Lisa Howard, who met secretly with Ernesto Che Guevara to prepare peace terms between the U.S. and Castro. Miss Howard was arranging a conference between Bobby Kennedy and Guevara when the President was shot in Dallas. In a United Nations speech on October 7, 1963, Adlai Stevenson set forth the possibility of a termination of hostilities between the two countries, and on November 19th. Presidential aide McGeorge Bundy, who was acting as an intermediary in the secret discussions, told Ambassador Attwood that the President wanted to discuss his plans for a Cuban-American détente in depth with him right after "a brief trip to Dallas." The rest is history. One of the two heads of state involved in negotiating that detente is now dead, but the survivor, Fidel Castro, said on November 23rd that the assassination was the work of "elements in the U.S. opposed to peace," and the Cuban Foreign Ministry officially charged that "the Kennedy assassination was a provocation against world peace perfectly and minutely prepared by the most reactionary sectors of the United States." Most Americans at the time, myself included, thought this was just Communist propaganda. But Castro knew what he was talking about. A few weeks after the assassination, the Cuban ambassador to the UN, Dr. Carlos Lechuga, was instructed by Castro to begin "formal discussions" in the hope that Kennedy's peace plan would be carried on by his successor. Ambassador Attwood writes that "I informed Bundy and later was told that the Cuban exercise would be put on ice for a while -- which it was and where it has been ever since." The assassins had achieved their aim.

CONTINUED...

http://www.maebrussell.com/Garrison/Garrison%20Playboy%20Intvw%201.html

Wie geht es Ihnen, mein grosse Freund?

[kineneb]

29. connections between CIA and"neo" Nazis all too real

The CIA used former SS officers via the Gehlen Org, courtesy of Allen Dulles.

Damn, these people make me angry.

[Octafish]

31. Nazis'n'Bushes arelikethis.

Know your BFEE: Nazis couldn’t win WWII, so they backed Bushes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1547206&mesg_id=1547206


Know your BFEE: Spawn of Wall Street and the Third Reich

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=872755


Know your BFEE: Hitler’s Bankers Shaped Vietnam War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3832033&mesg_id=3832033&page=


They just love authoritarian "government." That's why they'relikethis with the worst Commies, too.


Know your BFEE: The China-Bush Axis

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5333644


Know your BFEE: Rev. Sun Myung Moon OWNS Poppy Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3355939

Sell-outs, warmongers & traitors.

[bluesmail]

15. hugh kick

[Octafish]

30. JFK Lancer, Marry Ferrell.org and History Matters are real treasure trove...

http://www.jfklancer.com/

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

http://www.historymatters.com/

Like DU, these are run by good people.

[AzDar]

16. Kick for Octafish...because Nov. 22, 1963 was the beginning of the end.

[Octafish]

24. From the files of the FBI comes what may be the Rosetta Stone of the assassination...

Documents show that George Herbert Walker Bush ratted out some guy AFTER the assassination. WTH?

They also show that Poppy Bush was in Dallas on 22 November 1963. Why?

Skeptics need not take my word for it. This is what Poppy told the FBI:



Here's a transcript of the text:

TO: SAC, HOUSTON DATE: 11-22-63

FROM: SA GRAHAM W. KITCHEL

SUBJECT: UNKNOWN SUBJECT;
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY

At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.

BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.

BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in this area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLINE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.

BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His office telephone number is CA 2-0395.

# # #

Gee. Why WAS Poppy Bush in Dallas when JFK was assassinated?

Could it be, he was on official business? I suspect he was on Secret Government business. After all, his eldest son bragged during his Texas Air National Guard and Harvard grad school days that his daddy was CIA.

Here's an FBI document from the same week of the assassination in which FBI Director J Edgar Hoover briefed one "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency." Some strange coincidence there, eh Mr. Randi?



Here's a transcript of the above:

Date: November 29, 1963

To: Director
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
Department of State

From: John Edgar Hoover, Director

Subject: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
NOVEMBER 22, 1963

Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963, advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U. S. policy, which is not true.

Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the U. S. but to all of Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.

An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.

The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. W. T. Forsyth of this Bureau.

# # #

I don't know what Poppy was doing in Dallas on November 22, 1963. It'd be great to get his side of the story, but he's said he can't remember what he was doing that terrible day.

I do remember that GHWB was head of the CIA when the Church Committee was looking into the CIA assassination programs. He made things all friendly-like and turned what had been a serious hunt for truth under previous DCI Colby into another dog-and-pony show that was big on show and light on facts.

Recent evidence shows Bush was CIA earlier than he admitted:

Bush Senior Early CIA Ties Revealed

By Russ Baker and Jonathan Z. Larsen
The Real News Project January 8, 2007

NEW YORK--Newly released internal CIA documents assert that former president George Herbert Walker Bush's oil company emerged from a 1950's collaboration with a covert CIA officer.

Bush has long denied allegations that he had connections to the intelligence community prior to 1976, when he became Central Intelligence Agency director under President Gerald Ford. At the time, he described his appointment as a 'real shocker.'

But the freshly uncovered memos contend that Bush maintained a close personal and business relationship for decades with a CIA staff employee who, according to those CIA documents, was instrumental in the establishment of Bush's oil venture, Zapata, in the early 1950s, and who would later accompany Bush to Vietnam as a “cleared and witting commercial asset” of the agency.

According to a CIA internal memo dated November 29, 1975, Bush's original oil company, Zapata Petroleum, began in 1953 through joint efforts with Thomas J. Devine, a CIA staffer who had resigned his agency position that same year to go into private business. The '75 memo describes Devine as an “oil wild-catting associate of Mr. Bush.” The memo is attached to an earlier memo written in 1968, which lays out how Devine resumed work for the secret agency under commercial cover beginning in 1963.

“Their joint activities culminated in the establishment of Zapata Oil,” the memo reads. In fact, early Zapata corporate filings do not seem to reflect Devine's role in the company, suggesting that it may have been covert. Yet other documents do show Thomas Devine on the board of an affiliated Bush company, Zapata Offshore, in January, 1965, more than a year after he had resumed work for the spy agency.

CONTINUED...

http://realnews.org/rn/content/zapata.html

The United States and the world haven't been the same since November 22, 1963.

Thanks for giving a damn, AzDar.

[Peace Patriot]

18. 1. This safe was opened only NOW--45 years later?

2. The curators have had this stuff for a year, and haven't yet finished READING it?

3. And haven't finished even photocopying it?

Read about the safe. It got transferred to a new building, and still nobody opened it?

Papers and objects could have been planted at any time in the last 45 years, and STILL could be, since they haven't even finished READING the printed material (after a year's time!).

Minor point (maybe): What was Jack Ruby's prosecutor doing writing a MOVIE SCRIPT?!

Something ve-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-y fishy going on with this.

Maybe just more Go-uld (Dark Lord) mind games with our poor mind-fucked public. Maybe something more substantive and devious--some thread of the cover-up that needed tying off?

I would say to researchers, be particularly careful as to provenance issues on this one.

[Octafish]

21. E Howard Hunt put fake documents in HIS White House safe implicating JFK in Diem assassination.

WATERGATE CHRONOLOGY

EXCERPT...

THE WATERGATE CRIME LIST:

EXCERPT...

3. "Dirty Tricks"

Like the "plumbers," the "Dirty Tricks" team was set up in the White House for the purpose of damaging and embarrassing key Democrats. In fact, the Democrats didn't need any help--they were doing just fine by themselves. The activities ranged from ordering pizzas delivered to Democratic campaign offices to forging letters that were used to discredit and embarrass Democratic leaders like Senator Edmund Muskie and Henry Jackson. Using materials he culled from the Pentagon Papers, E. Howard Hunt forged cables accusing President John Kennedy of ordering the toppling and assassination of Vietnam's Prime Minister Diem in 1963. (The assassination certainly was aided by the CIA, but JFK's direct involvement has never been proven). Hunt then tried unsuccessfully to plant these cables with major news magazines. An "enemies list" was created, an extensive collection of opposition politicians, entertainers, newsmen, and other prominent public figures deemed disloyal by the White House. The list was used to target the people that the White House wanted to "screw" through the use of selected federal agencies. The list included Jane Fonda, Bill Cosby, and CBS newsman Daniel Schorr.

Source: http://cas.memphis.edu/~sherman/chronowa ...

LINK DEAD, Sorry. Will put in more on the subject, when time permits.

[Peace Patriot]

25. Ah, I've often wondered about the Diem thing. It never felt right.

I've wondered, was I just too dazzled by Kennedy to realize that he was merely a callous brutal "Cold Warrior" like so many other leaders of that era? But then, why did they kill him? I have no doubt that the CIA/war profiteers did it, and little doubt that it had to do with the war profiteers' need for another war, a big one--Vietnam. And I've always felt that Kennedy must have been blockading it in some way, as he did their war on Cuba, and the later crisis with the Soviet Union (in which he de-fused a grave threat of nuclear war, against the advice of the "hawks," by removing U.S. missiles from Russia's border in Turkey). I've since (only recently) seen copies on the internet of the executive orders he signed, just before he died, starting a withdrawal of U.S. "military advisers" from Vietnam. And, within a year of his assassination, the thing was right back on track, with the phony "Gulf of Tonkin" incident and the escalation in Oct '64.

I see an arc of enlightenment and growth, in JFK, in which the cold killing of a CIA asset (and a Catholic, at that--Diem) doesn't fit in well. This is the first I've read that it was invented by E. Howard Hunt. Thanks for the info! How well is it documented? And where might I find more detailed info?

[Octafish]

28. The coup plotters have pretty much done all possible to bury Truth. Trento and Minor...

...and others have pulled back the curtain.

Killer Political Instincts

By Linda Minor
April 14, 2005
Sanders Research Associates Ltd.
Issues & Answers

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Between 1968 and 1970, Chuck Colson and E. Howard Hunt, both alumni of Brown University—Hunt in the class of 1940 and Colson a 1953 grad—were seeing each other on a regular basis. Hunt had become a naval officer and an agent of the Office of Strategic Services from 1943 until its demise. A Guggenheim fellowship then paid him to travel in Mexico while writing his first novel (later a best-seller), before landing a job on the staff of Ambassador Averell Harriman, then a partner of Prescott Bush at Brown Brothers, Harriman.

In 1948 Hunt left Harriman’s employ, recruited into the Central Intelligence Agency by Frank Wisner. In the meantime, he had married one of Harriman’s secretaries, who had spent the war years in Bern, Switzerland in the Treasury Department’s Hidden Assets Division, looking for hidden Nazi assets. Coincidentally, or not, it was Bern where later C.I.A. chairman Allen Dulles spent the war years. Hunt thus had very powerful references on his resume!

By the end of April 1970 all details fell in place for Hunt’s “retirement” from the C.I.A., and his employment one day later at Mullen & Company. According to Hunt in his autobiography, Undercover, he got the job through the “CIA’s placement service,” and was told by the placement officer that “the Mullen firm had ‘cooperated’ with CIA in the past.

After Hunt was installed at his new office, Mullen sold his firm to Robert F. Bennett. Though miffed by the change in management, Hunt was stroked by Colson, who only a few months later telephoned him with the opportunity of a lifetime, to work at the White House. In July 1971 Hunt was hired to work on Colson’s staff as a consultant on a part-time basis until the end of the 1972 election, while still maintaining his position with Mullen & Company.

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As a combat veteran, JFK understood that war was necessary only when protecting the national interest. He considered prosecuting a war in Vietnam with combat troops – many of whom would be draftees – immoral. What's more, he saw that losing a war in Vietnam would be worse for the national interest. That’s one of the main points found in the recordings and historical record as made clear by Peter Dale Scott, John M. Newman, James Galbraith and others.

While approving a military overthrew of the corrupt Diem, the record shows that JFK did not approve Diem’s assassination and was shocked and angry at what transpired. What we now know is Diem’s murder may have been instigated by Prescott Bush’s business partner, Averell Harriman.

The Secret History of the CIA

by Joseph Trento:

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Who changed the coup into the murder of Diem, Nhu and a Catholic priest accompanying them? To this day, nothing has been found in government archives tying the killings to either John or Robert Kennedy. So how did the tools and talents developed by Bill Harvey for ZR/RIFLE and Operation MONGOOSE get exported to Vietnam? Kennedy immediately ordered (William R.) Corson to find out what had happened and who was responsible. The answer he came up with: “On instructions from Averell Harriman…. The orders that ended in the deaths of Diem and his brother originated with Harriman and were carried out by Henry Cabot Lodge’s own military assistant.”

Having served as ambassador to Moscow and governor of New York, W. Averell Harriman was in the middle of a long public career. In 1960, President-elect Kennedy appointed him ambassador-at-large, to operate “with the full confidence of the president and an intimate knowledge of all aspects of United States policy.” By 1963, according to Corson, Harriman was running “Vietnam without consulting the president or the attorney general.”

The president had begun to suspect that not everyone on his national security team was loyal. As Corson put it, “Kenny O’Donnell (JFK’s appointments secretary) was convinced that McGeorge Bundy, the national security advisor, was taking orders from Ambassador Averell Harriman and not the president. He was especially worried about Michael Forrestal, a young man on the White House staff who handled liaison on Vietnam with Harriman.”

At the heart of the murders was the sudden and strange recall of Saigon Station Chief Jocko Richardson and his replacement by a no-name team barely known to history. The key member was a Special Operations Army officer, John Michael Dunn, who took his orders, not from the normal CIA hierarchy but from Harriman and Forrestal.

According to Corson, “John Michael Dunn was known to be in touch with the coup plotters,” although Dunn’s role has never been made public. Corson believes that Richardson was removed so that Dunn, assigned to Ambassador Lodge for “special operations,” could act without hindrance.

SOURCE:

“The Secret History of the CIA.” Joseph Trento. 2001, Prima Publishing. pp. 334-335.

I'm still squeezing a suddenly sick 'puter for more...

Thanks for giving a damn, Peace Patriot.

[AntiFascist]

27. In their deathbed confessions, didn't both E. Howard Hunt and

Gerald Ford try to pin the JFK assassination on LBJ? "Die-hard" Republicans.

With all the mafia confessions that have come out, why is this still considered a "theory"?

http://crimemagazine.com/03/richardnixon,1014.htm

[Octafish]

34. E Howard Hunt claimed to have only been a ''benchwarmer'' in the Dallas conspiracy.

Hunt did blame LBJ. He excused, by ommission, the top dogs -- from his old boss Averell Harriman to his then boss, Richard Helms, to his old old boss, Allen Dulles, and to George H.W. Bush.

Gerald Ford's Role in the JFK Assassination Cover-up

According to some new book I didn't know about, Ford blamed CIA with his last words. Wow! In a roundabout sort of conspiratorial way, indicated his belief by doing his best to hide evidence of what happened in Dallas on November 22, 1963.

Poppy Bush brought up JFK Assassination and ''Conspiracy Theorists'' at Ford Funeral



Beat the BFEE: Poppy’s CIA warned about terror plots and did not stop them

Qui s'excuse s'accuse.