FUCK PAYPAL -- They won't let me donate to DU

[jgraz]

I've had it with this PIECE OF SHIT service. They already hosed my on all of my subscriptions and forced me to close my account. Now when I try to give a $100 donation to DU, I get this:

Based on the details of your transaction, you will need to sign up for a PayPal account and add and verify a bank account to complete this payment. Once it is verified, you can return to the merchant's site to initiate this payment again. Please provide the information requested below and click 'Save Information' to sign up.

Of course, even if I would give them my back account information (ha!), there's nothing marked "Save Information" on the fucking page.

"PayPal - the safer, easier way to pay." My Ass. :nuke:

[ananda]

1. I use Amazon.

Paypal doesn't work for me either.

[jgraz]

8. But I want the extra hearts :(

[CaliforniaPeggy]

11. I thought the extra hearts came from DU...

Not Paypal...

Am I wrong?

:shrug:

[jgraz]

12. Amazon donations are anonymous, so no hearts.

[karlrschneider]

36. So how would you get a star if it's anonymous?

?????????????

[Tindalos]

42. IIRC

there was a notice on the donation page that says if you donate anonymously, such as through amazon, you can email the admin. If you show proof of payment, they will award you your star and presumably hearts too.

[karlrschneider]

45. Well yes that's true, but if you email Skinner with the information you aren't really ANONYMOUS

:eyes: :eyes:

[Tindalos]

74. You make an excellent point

Maybe you can swear him to secrecy?

Ah, I give up. Your :eyes: smilie says it all.

[jgraz]

49. Thanks, I did that.

:toast:

[mountainvue]

44. Can you use Amazon to pay DU? n/t

[karlrschneider]

46. Uh, yes...like it says on the front page link

http://zme.amazon.com/exec/varzea/pay/T373QR8PZTMUCW/102-0151317-2444166

[LakeSamish706]

2. Sorry folks, but I used Paypal and never had a problem donating.... n/t

[Lex]

53. Nope, me either.

nt

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. Welcome to the club, my dear jgraz!

I've used them in the past...

Never again!

My credit card is now outdated...it happens, of course.

So when I tried to put in the new one...would they accept it?

NO!

I just went ahead and did my donation the hard way...By hand, using DU's format...

My Ass, is right!

:nuke:

[LakeSamish706]

4. Now that part with Paypal can be a problem... Getting a method of payment into...

Paypal was some fun awhile ago for me.. ugh...

[jgraz]

5. They actually did me one better. They reverted to a 3-yr-old card without warning.

[jody]

6. I agree. I refuse to use pp for my donations to DU. n/t

[karlrschneider]

7. bummer. I use it several times a week, have for years never a problem.

Worked fine last night to the DU fundraiser...
:shrug:

[jgraz]

9. Me too. Then they went insane all of a sudden.

All of my subscriptions got bounced. I got kicked out of ad-free RawStory, lost my Founder status at nova-m, etc, etc, etc. I sent them a bunch of emails and nobody ever got back to me.

So I closed the account. I guess I'll have to reopen it if I want to donate. :grr:

[samdogmom]

10. And, I got a strange phishing email from Paypal telling me someone in Europe was trying to use my

account. (I don't have a Paypal "account".) I was given a link and asked for all kinds of personal information to "save" my Paypal account.

Yeah, rrrrright! Like I'm going to fall for any of that nonsense. Anyway, if Paypal's involved--I steer clear. I'd like to donate again to DU, but I DO NOT want Paypal as the middleman. If Paypal remains DU's only donation outlet, I will be very hesitant to donate because I do not trust their security. Please bring back the credit card option!

[CaliforniaPeggy]

13. You can donate to DU with a credit card...

I just copied and pasted this from the Donation Page:

Make a One-time Donation by Credit Card or eCheck
Powered by PayPal. You do not need a PayPal account in order to donate to Democratic Underground.

This is how I donate to DU as well...

With a credit card.

It's tedious, but it works!


:hi:

[samdogmom]

14. But my fear is the credit card runs through Paypal and then they have your information.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I DO NOT WANT MY CREDIT CARD NUMBER IN THE PAYPAL FILES.

I will gladly stand corrected and make an immediate donation if I am wrong.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

16. I don't know if that's the case or not...

I suggest you ask Skinner...

He can tell you.

That's a wrinkle I had not thought of.

Yikes...

That's how I've been doing it, all along.

You know, I don't think they get your credit card info...

Because if they did, they would have known about my new credit card...the one I couldn't enter...

Check with Skinner...I'm just guessing here...

Sorry... :hug:

[jgraz]

17. They rejected me, trying to get me to sign up again.

[karlrschneider]

26. The Phishing email was NOT from Paypal...jeez

why don't you like them, because a handful of people have had problems? About 30 million use it with NO problem.
:eyes:

[samdogmom]

51. I know it was a phishing email! But two years ago I bought something using Paypal

and my credit card number was compromised. I started getting all sorts of strange charges from places I had never been. I had to cancel the credit card and to this day, I do not trust Paypal's ability to keep credit card numbers confidential. (Believe me it's no fun to contest bogus credit card charges. You have to write multiple letters and send in supporting documentation. It's a real pain in the neck!) As I said before, if I have to donate to DU via Paypal, then I have serious concerns. I know there is a mail-in option. I will be using this method from now on, unless they bring the direct credit card option back again.

I am very glad you haven't had a problem yet using Paypal, but I truly don't think you're "safe". Good luck!

On Edit: I'm very suspicious where the phishing emailer got my email address. From Paypal, maybe?

[karlrschneider]

61. I seriously doubt your email address was compromised by paypal

(I don't work for them or have -any- connection with them whatsoever other than as a customer)

There are literally millions of ways for emails to be picked up. Your CC number was probably intercepted by someone at the vendor rather than through paypal but yes I know it's a pain. The convenience outweighs the risk to me.

[samdogmom]

64. Ummm, here's where I have a problem with your theory.

If I paid Paypal--why was my credit card number passed on to a vendor? Doesn't Paypal take my money (as the middleman) and pay the vendor directly? There is no need to pass my credit card number on to a vendor using Paypal.

Sorry, but I will never forgive them for compromising my credit card number AND the phishing email was the last straw. As far as I'm concerned, this is an untrustworthy company and I refuse to give them my hard-won new credit card number!

Edited for spelling.

[karlrschneider]

65. Well I don't know really. I always pay directly from a bank account through them

that I keep just for ebay...don't allow it to gather up a big balance. All I know is I never had a problem that's all I can really say about it. I don't consider them any less trustworthy than any financial institution.

[suninvited]

43. Those were phishing emails

and really had nothing to do with paypal

[aikoaiko]

15. plus they have anti-gun policies -- more reason to hate them.

[karlrschneider]

27. Okay this is news to me...what do you mean?

??

[Dukkha]

38. means you can't sell anything gun related

even parts, and I don't mean receivers or auto sears.

[karlrschneider]

47. Okay you mean EBAY policies. True enough but it's easy to see why

they restrict those kinds of sales given the idiotic checkerboard of laws in place throughout the country.
There are plenty of internet sites you can buy all the guns you want (I am a strong 2A advocate by the way)

[Dukkha]

62. not just eBay even paypal private sales too

if you did a simple non auction related cash transfer to an individual and you have, say, M4 barrel in the subject, that's considered a volation.

[karlrschneider]

70. You'e right, I didn't know that. Found their terms

https://www.paypal.com/helpcenter/main.jsp

edit; well that link was junk...anyway I see what you mean.
shit

[aikoaiko]

73. Thanks for answering while I was away. You got it right.

[Thepricebreaker]

18. I take it you never owned a merchant account.

Is a risky business owning a merchant account - and its their way of cutting liability.

Someone can simply send a donation to DU - then charge it back a few weeks later - and paypal is left holding the bag on the charge back fee's.

For something like a $100.00 purchase they are of course going to ask for back up information, so you can't make a fraud donation/purchase.

.. and they WILL let you donate - with the proper information.

[jgraz]

20. Then their service is beyond useless

So many sites take credit cards directly. Why do I have to give them access to my checking account for a small donation?

[Thepricebreaker]

28. You said $100.00

$100.00 in the eyes of paypal isnt small. Times that by millions of people.

Its basically so if you fraud them, they can bang out your bank account.

[jgraz]

32. Once again: they set my limit to $0.00

I'm assuming $0.00 is small in the eyes of, well, anybody.

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[karlrschneider]

31. Zionist Mafia????????????? Holy shit, get a grip, dude.

:eyes:

You're looking to blame somebody for your own fuckup failure to pay your bills.

[Book Lover]

21. What a shame. I have had nothing but stellar service from them (nm)

[jgraz]

22. OK, I re-opened my account and they STILL won't let me donate

They set my send limit at $0.00, and demanded that I either open a PayPal Credit Card or give them access to my bank account. I closed the account immediately.

Sorry, Skinner, but I'll go without the donor star before I'll use those fuckers again.

[karlrschneider]

29. You have a star now...just do it the same way as before!

:eyes:

[jgraz]

30. "Before" I was subscribed via paypal. I guess I'll mail in a check next time.

[karlrschneider]

40. Oh, well...then, you could do it this time --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/donate_by_mail.html

[Ghost in the Machine]

52. Dude, I've had a paypal account for years and never had a problem with them.

If you closed your old account and started a new one, of course you will have to give them your banking info. If you don't have a credit or debit card, you have to supply a checking account with your routing number. How else do you suppose they make a transaction? You *HAVE* to have a credit/debit card or a checking account tied to the paypal account.

Also, I believe it's a new security measure by setting your limits to 0.00 ... once you make the account, you have to log into the account, then go into your profile and change your sending limits manually...

ANY merchant account *HAS* to be tied to your bank account. PERIOD.

They've had to change a few security practices due the overwhelming presence of online phishing scams and abuse.

[jgraz]

54. I've used the same credit card with them for years

It's got a seriously high limit and I've never had a problem with it. For some reason, they switched out my card to one I closed three years ago.

Now, even with the information restored, they can't seem to put through a payment. They had my CC#, but the only way they would allow me to make a payment was to give them by bank account. That's not gonna happen.

[biscotti]

23. I had trouble

with it as well.

[Arkansas Granny]

24. You're not the first person I've heard complain about PayPal. I've

used them for years, however, and I've never had a problem.

:shrug:

[golddigger]

25. Hmmm, I donated Monday and again today w/paypal no problems.

[karlrschneider]

34. Take a look at who has "problems" and who doesn't.

Very telling.

[jgraz]

56. And exactly what is it telling you?

That's the second time you've insinuated that I, CaliforniaPeggy and other posters on this thread are somehow dumber than you are (all evidence to the contrary). Do you have some pathological need to piss people off?

[samdogmom]

57. I'm with you jgraz. Paypal is not a company I want to do business with ever again!

I'm not a slow learner--one bad experience and you're off my list! Somehow they compromised my credit card number a few years ago. I WILL NEVER TRUST THEM AGAIN!

I have stellar credit by the way, so I'm not sure what Karl is inferring when he says to look at those who have problems! That's a misguided put-down that I'd really like explained.

[jgraz]

58. I have a very low tolerance for people screwing up my financial transactions

Every subscription, including DU, RawStory and even my frickin Bridge Toll autopay bounced back to me two weeks ago. I'm still not through straightening it all out (including $400 in unpaid toll violations that I have to get reversed). Paypal fucked me over bigtime.

As far as Karl is concerned, this kind of commentary has been his M.O. for a while. I'm not sure why he gets off on it, but it can get annoying.

[annabanana]

33. You can use paypal, and use the "credit card " option without joining.

[jgraz]

72. Nope, they wouldn't let me

Even for as little as $10, they were insisting on having my bank info.

[Dukkha]

35. I also got banned

and used an "unverified" account. Their monopolizing strong arm tactics are bullshit. They get a way with it since they have no competition.

[karlrschneider]

37. What does that mean...in English?

:wtf:

[Dukkha]

63. here's plenty of horror stories to chew on

http://www.paypalsucks.com

http://paypalsucks.org

http://www.aboutpaypal.com

[karlrschneider]

67. Sounds like 9/11 dungeon stuff to me. Sorry I'm not interested in anything they have to say

on a site like somebodysucks.bla

[EFerrari]

39. Their business practices leave a lot to be desired but

you can choose to donate via a credit card without ever signing up with them.

[DesertRat]

41. I've had no problems donating to DU through Paypal

:shrug:

[karlrschneider]

48. Never mind

Just a thought...

[jgraz]

50. No need to be a dick, karl

Quite a few people have had problems with the service. It's a well-known issue on the web which has only bitten me recently.

[karlrschneider]

59. sorry

...

[jgraz]

60. No prob

Cuz I'm never a dick to anyone on this board. :sarcasm:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

55. I have been using Paypal from practically day one, and never had a problem. nt

[jgraz]

71. Up until two weeks ago, I would have said the same

When they fail, they fail catastrophically. I'm still not done sorting out my finances.

[WilliamPitt]

66. Ditto

Hate it.

[seabeyond]

68. i hate paypal too. first payment wit paypal it wouldnt let me. i try to buy people stars

and because my hubby already has an acct with our cr card number it insists i put in some code of husbands that i have no idea about. i am already computer illiterate enough, i dont need that bullshit. generally i can slide thru one payment. i will try that this donation round. but i havent been able to do my star buying for others that i did in the past and had a blast with

so i am with you jpaz.... i hate paypal too

[loser_user]

69. I donated today with no problem

I've never had problems with Paypal myself, but I think everything comes with horror stories sadly.