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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:07 AM Original message |
The problem with the contemporary environmental movement |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
1. The upper classes won't have to live in the garbage they toss off their land. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
2. there are certain leftist blinders in assuming everyone involved in enviro work is upper class |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. indeed |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. spending money |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. well sure |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Buying land to preserve it is good. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Who can afford solar panels? |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Gore had some good ideas during his Senate hearing with Boxer |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-13-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
55. If Gore and his supporters would use their "offsets" to buy some of the energy effecient |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. early adopters pay for expanding technology |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. couple questions |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. well, solar and wind power |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Social pressure |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. everything requires energy |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. no |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. non-profit, centrally planned energy companies? |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. rural electric co-ops |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. that would be a small scale provider, right? |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. South Carolina ain't exactly Montana n/t |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-13-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #37 |
56. BWAHAHAHA! Don't remember Kucinich and the public power? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-13-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #14 |
54. And the point IS.. those people who "come up with the ideas" don't give a rip how it affects poor |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-13-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
53. Your post drips of disdain. I hope you remember your words the next time you or someone says |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. This is not about "everybody involved....." |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. there are contradictions, to be sure, in large groups wanting to appear |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
3. yes and no |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
26. about Al |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
7. What is your opinion on CFLs? |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Why must something be a money maker in order to be a solution? |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. good point |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. 4/1000th of a gram of mercury is pretty minute |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
41. Not to mention that |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Why must something be a money maker in order to be a solution? |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
9. Few people really understand the techincal and social complexity |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Well then, |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #17 |
46. Hardly. The willfully and irreducably ignorant are not only standing in the way. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 07:37 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Who are they? |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
15. It's damned near impossible to be an affluent environmentalist. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. if you want to guarantee the environmental movement fails... |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. A contradiction here. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Unions with big teeth may be what we need. |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. I agree with everything you said except the part about diet |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-13-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
58. And that is YOUR solution, which you shouldn't put on others! |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-13-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
57. Very good points! It's so easy in an ivory tower to mandate things that poor people |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
16. the good old circular firing squad |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. It's a damned wretched world, isn't it? |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Environmental concern is not a bad thing |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. The problem is that they don't just give money. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-13-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
52. Nah. Let's just humiliate them for caring. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
24. That's because most environmental groups are funded by grants from wealthy family foundations. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
28. Thanks for the heart, whoever you are. n/t |
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paparush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
38. Hardly Anyone is Addressing Population Control as an Environmental Issue |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. the stickiest of problems |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
44. Reading this thread |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
45. If we wait for your vision of utopia to come to pass, it will be far too late |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 08:14 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. You misplace the nature of my complaint. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-13-08 09:17 PM Response to Reply #45 |
59. IN the near future, what poor people will have to choose from in cars are the damned hogs! |
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GTurck (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
49. I absolutely agree. |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
50. kick |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-13-08 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
51. It's so refreshing to read a post of someone who really GETS the issue!! |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-13-08 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
60. Very accurate observation |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Hypocritical, indeed, when they then EXPECT poor people to shoulder the burden!! |
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