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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:10 AM
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Spears' 12-officer police escort prompts call for paparazzi limits


By Andrew Blankstein and Richard Winton, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
5:26 PM PST, February 1, 2008


After aggressive paparazzi prompted police to escort Britney Spears to the hospital this week, Los Angeles City Councilman Dennis Zine announced Friday that he plans to push for an ordinance that would create a minimum "personal safety zone" around individuals targeted by the media.

Zine said the estimated $25,000 it cost for police to escort Spears to the hospital was necessary to protect the public from dangers posed by the horde of celebrity photographers:wow: pursuing the pop star. He said paparazzi wereincreasingly endangering celebrities and bystanders with their aggressive behavior and car pursuits.

"I don't want a repeat of what happened to Princess Diana with a celebrity in Los Angeles," he said. "We had to have 12 officers escort to the hospital that if not for paparazzi would have been used to prevent crime somewhere else."

Zine said he plans to introduce a motion that calls for the city attorney and LAPD to draft new restrictions on paparazzi, including an ordinance that would create a zone of clear space in order to protect public safety on streets, sidewalks and at access points to emergency care facilities and private businesses and homes.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-me-britney2feb02,0,6648183.story
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Donk Yore Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:12 AM
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1. I have no sympathy
charge it to the crazy bitch who caused this mess to happen in the first place.

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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:17 AM
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7. It's not her fault that she's followed everywhere....the
point is innocent civilians are in danger because of the aggressive actions of the paparazzi.

It's out of control in L.A. because all of these photographers have dollar signs in their eyes.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:49 PM
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67. I have read she routinely calls the photogs
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 12:51 PM by JeanGrey
when she is going somewhere; witness her jump half clothed into the ocean in front of the papparazzi. Please. She also left to sleep with one of them who is now her boyfriend. And she routinely flashes her private parts when surrounded by flashbulbs. She did that unaware?

She is famous and courts publicity. Unfortunately when you are famous and also mentally ill it sometimes works against you.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #1
12. So you would have some sympathy if this was just
a homeless person placed on a 51-50 hold?

She is sick... and the paparazzi are NOT her fault.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:36 AM
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39. that crazy bitch is now been stripped of her rights untill feb 4th
that crazy bitch is unable to make any decisions regarding her life. do you have any idea what that means? i think if you did, you would`t call her a crazy bitch...good bye
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:00 AM
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53. I have sympathy.
But then, I'm a social worker so that's my curse I guess.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #53
62. Well to your credit, you social workers do thankless
work. There's nothing wrong with sympathy.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #1
64. No shit. she has the money
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #64
77. Mental illness has zero to do with money
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #77
78. It has everything to do with tax payers getting the bill for some ...
nut chick's personal security service
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #78
79. Now let me tell you a little secret, since you are SO DAMN CONCERNED
about how much this is costing you

On December 14 we called 9.11 for an honest to goodness MEDICAL TRAUMA Emergency

We got a bill from the County EMS system, and it wasn't cheap

You can be assured that they are getting charged a fee... never mind that THEY, just as ME, are paying taxes

I guess in your reality we should charge all for EMERGENCY services.

Quite frankly that is a very REPUBLICAN way of thinking... and as I asked my city council woman, what the fuck am I paying taxes for?

And yes your comments about crazy bitch tell me more ABOUT YOU, than Mrs Spears. For one, you are incapable of that little thing called empathy, or understanding that mental illness is real and can be a 9.11 emergency... in this case proven by the 51-50 hold.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:26 PM
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82. you're an asshole
I've never been a fan of Ms. Spears but she has the right not be stalked every minute of her life.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:13 AM
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2. Maybe if she wouldn't advertise her doctors appoitments it would help
but we ARE talking about Britney Spears. Why?????
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:20 AM
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8. It's not about Britney, per se.....it's about the dangerous
tactics of the paparazzi who follow lots of celebrities.

Britney Spears is not a danger to the public.

But dozens of paparazzi getting out of their vehicles at busy intersections when the light is red to shoot celebrities is dangerous.

It's a distraction. Pedestrians, drivers, everyone is in danger.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #2
13. She didn't... odd me defending her
she was placed on a 51-50 hold, you DO KNOW what that is?

Having a little compassion would be nice
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:53 AM
Response to Reply #13
56. Not odd at all for you!
:loveya: This is no longer about Britney. She does not "deserve" what is happening to her. She is mentally ill and being USED by the M$M and by all those who consume the Bread and Circuses. It's quite a spectacle.

Zine has the right idea.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:14 AM
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3. The city CHOSE to give her $25,000 worth of police protection.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #3
65. Now the LAPD is a security force? Why not hire a private security firm?
OH Wait! That's right. They are all in Iraq fighting an illegal FUCKING war!!
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:15 AM
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4. 12 cops on overtime...
That cost figure doesn't surprise me.

It is past time they did something about these vultures stalking celebs.
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Donk Yore Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. What is supposed to be done without
restricting more basic rights to freedom?

tough call
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #5
9. Stalking isn't a basic right of freedom...
and neither is harassment. I don't see it as a tough call.

They should tell all the little bastards to stay at least 100 yards away unless they are given permission by the celebrity.
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Donk Yore Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #9
18. a "celebrity" is a member of the same society
you and I inhabit.

Would you have some law passed to specifically keep any and all people at least 100 yards away from you? If so, then your argument carries some personal weight for you. If not, then think about it please.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:39 AM
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19. You are actually not aware how this works
they can get away with this with stars because they are PUBLIC figures... you, on the other hand, are not

If they take a photo of YOU... in theory, since you DO NOT make a living in the public sphere, aka in public, they have to get a signed release FROM YOU.

Now if you are in law enforcement, fire fighting or any other PUBLIC occupation, while in the performance of YOUR DUTIES you fall into the same category as an actor or politician.

You might also want to know that in France, after the Diana tragedy, they have passed laws limiting the paparazzi.
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Donk Yore Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:44 AM
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21. But how does one define a "star"?
and then limit the access to them while they are in public?

That is the tricky part of the equation.

I am a star because when I go out into my small community I am known by everyone, and many want to speak to me. I don't necessarily want to speak to them, but there they are.

Should I petition the city for a generic "stay the hell away from me" order?

This is ridiculous.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:46 AM
Response to Reply #21
22. Do you make your living in the public sphere? AKA movies, the theater
or any other PUBLIC occupation?

That is the LEGAL definition of a public persona... and why politicos fall in this category as well

If you do... I can take a photo and sell it and not ask you. If you don't. I can't... it is actually pretty straight forwards
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Donk Yore Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #22
23. okay
so, what's the problem?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #23
25. When you said that the rules apply to them the say way they apply to you
the laws are already in the books, they have been in the books for a while

But they need to be changed to reduce paparazzi highway pursuits, or them following ambulances like in THIS case

The French changed their laws because of the Diana tragedy, and that will happen here sooner or later
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:55 AM
Response to Reply #19
51. how about
placing the cost of protection ON the celebrity? from what i've read, brit brit can well afford several bodyguards. if that's what it takes for "protection", why isn't she paying for it?? come ON! "WE" shouldn't have to pay for her celebrity!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #51
72. Remind me to tell you to go to you know where when YOU need that protection
and thanks for defending the hounds that go after people like her, so they can get photos for you
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #72
80. nobody's "defending" anybody
sure, i think the paps suck, but unless their presence is curbed, they WILL do this. that's why so many celebs have bodyguards, geez.

i do hope she gets the help she needs tho...
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #19
68. Look, the main reason Diana died was she was being
driven by someone who was totally DRUNK. That isn't the fault of papparazzi.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #68
73. That is NOT what the inquest found
care to try again?
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #73
81. Nope. He was drunk.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:01 AM
Response to Reply #18
27. Someone can't take my picture...
and publish it without a signed release from me.

Celebrities and other public figures don't have that right... so your argument is BS.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:34 AM
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17. I guess they have a right to shove lens into ambulance and take photos
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 12:40 AM by nadinbrzezinski
huh?

No, no they don't and I have ZERO sympathy for PAPARAZZI

They have been behind more than one tragedy

(And yes the law changes slightly when one of our public figures becomes a patient... it is called medical rights and secrets)
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:16 AM
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6. Most of the paparazzi problems could be solved in celebs stoped calling them and telling them where
they are going to be.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #6
10. These people stake out homes and follow celebrities
everywhere, around the clock, 24/7.

They don't need to be told where they're going or where they are.

They're followed.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:00 AM
Response to Reply #6
52. thank you!
n/t
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:24 AM
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11. Without a sick public hungering for news that doesn't MATTER there would be no problem
She would simply be another individual in need of intervention.
American culture is the sickness- she is but a symptom.

BHN
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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #11
14. Precisely.

It's not the individual's fault that they're followed.

It's the drive to get the picture in the tabloids or on the news.

When CNN, MSNBC, et. al. blanket us with coverage about celebrities in lieu of important news it will continue to happen.

But, until the demand for that crap is reduced, there will be no incentive for them to reduce the coverage.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:34 AM
Response to Reply #14
16. Exactly- Supply and Demand.
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 12:36 AM by BeHereNow
Without the demand for such idiocy, there would
be no drive to supply it by the slag rags.
On edit- Just had to add- remember this:
The same people who buy that shit at the checkout in the
market can also vote.
Any wonder how we got where we are today?
BHN
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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #16
29. I read an interesting blurb the other day.

28% of the United States citizens hold a college degree.

That 28% is almost exclusively represented in politics and write the laws for the other 72% of the people.

I am *NOT* dumping on people without degrees as I don't hold one. I just thought it was an interesting statement.



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ninety lives Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:51 AM
Response to Reply #16
55. I suspect the demand is really driven by the internet....

There really aren't that many paparazzi photos in the tabloids, if
you care to look.

Paparazzi photos are the candid ones of people in their cars or of people
shopping and stuff.

I see all sorts of photos on the internet that never make it into
the papers or magazines, because of the low quality.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #11
69. She'd also be a POOR individual needing attention and not
a person with millions of dollars given to her by that same public.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:32 AM
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15. Ah I have my paparazzi story
some years back I got to tend to an injured star. To protect the guilty lets call him\her X.

This was in TJ. I got one of these assholes inserting his camera into MY ambulance

I closed door, and broke lens...

By the by, we were given police escort to the border... because of the Paparazzi.

Hell, we took Mr\MRrs x all the way to the local hospital this side of the border, and we dodged them all the way to the hospital. Hell, they were waiting and so was the local police department... they are a plague!

Mr\Mrs X was very nice on the way... and was surprised, dare I say shocked, that we treated him\her with respect, professionaly and did not care one iota about his\her star status. Our concern was... foot... and bad step... taken by saith person.

But the paparazzi, they are a menace.

Oh and the paparazzi who'se lens I broke... he wanted to charge us, or rather me, for it... tough shit, different day... he was lucky we did not file charges for assault with the DA. Yes, I was tempted... and technically he was interfering with the work of an emergency crew... so the charges were there.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #15
20. I don't know if you've watched the videotape, but the
paparazzi attempted to follow Britney's father into the UCLA Med Center, and you can hear staff screaming at them to get out.

It's at the end of the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07ezT5yAVHE
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #20
24. Watched tape, brought bad memories
local cops formed a line, and did not allow paparazzi to get close. We unloaded, and took our patient to the ER. On the way out... we left through a line of them.

I was tempted to give them the middle finger... I am sure the staff at UCLA and the ambulance crew felt the same way...

Didn't, or that photo would have made it to the front page of insert rag here

;-)

So we were models of professionalism... no choice mostly
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:55 AM
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26. How about just one police escort, but twelve snipers on the rooftops.
Works for me.



"Sir, do I have a kill order, over?"

"Are you shitting me? Bob's bringing you more rounds, over."

"Sweet, over."
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #26
28. Trust me, having dealt with THAT plague
you brought a smile to my face

Thanks
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:03 AM
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30. How does one differentiate between "paparazzi" and legitimate "reporters"?
What's to stop any future anti-paparazzi law from being used to keep the press away from politicians?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #30
31. Easy as pie, Paparazzi do NOT, I repeat this, DO NOT have press credentials
reporters do....


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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #31
33. Government approved reporters?
Exactly what are "press credentials"?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #33
34. They involved silly things like oh a college degree in some cases
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 01:16 AM by nadinbrzezinski
and working for a news agency. If you are a freelancer you can still get them by filing the proper paperwork with your local PD and paying a processing fee.

And most police departments issue them on the spot...

Which leads you to the next question, why paparazzi never even bother with that?

This has been the way it has been done since oh at least the 1930s... in movies or toons those guys wearing the big PRESS badges...

On add

I must ask, have you EVER worked in the public sphere as a public servant?
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:30 AM
Response to Reply #34
35. Controlling access to information. Granting access for favors.
It's not much more than a special class of privileged information mongers.

In an era where the info dissemination monopoly is being shattered by the net there's no wonder why limits are sought to curtail info collection.

If a college degree is so important why not require them to have an Ivy League degree? That would weed out those from diploma mills & sub-standard schools.

If a local police permit was required in the past, why not (in this post 9-11 world) make Homeland Security or the CIA the issuer of badges?

How does one define "news agency"? Must it be listed on the NYSE? Have a minimum number of employees?

I must ask, have you EVER worked in the public sphere as a public servant?

No, but I've spent my entire life being lorded over by them.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:34 AM
Response to Reply #35
37. As I wrote, if you truly want one, you can go down to the local PD
fill up a form, (enter freelancer in news agency), and pay a fee

That is all that is required.

That is all that has been required for literally decades

The reason for them is... for you, or your best budies, not to trample all over a police scene...

Year, actually decades ago, they used to even give tours of nasty scenes... then police labs started requiring "clean scenes."

But if you think requiring one of these is onerous and police state like... we have nothing else to discuss. Can they be used the way you describe? Yes... but reality is that police agencies don't control your access to information. That is done by news agencies in what they choose to cover, what they choose to publish... but I am sure you knew that.

Oh and as a former medic... I don't want you in my scene either.. unless you know what to do round my scene.
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:52 AM
Response to Reply #37
43. This has little to do with "police scenes".
Crime scene tape coupled with an actual, live cop or two works pretty well in keeping folks from trampling crime scenes.

The system you talk about (which I am well familar with) dates from an era when there were fewer purveyors/collectors of info.

That honor was reserved to big business with their international news agencies, local newspapers & AM radio and a handful of national news magazines. There is much, much more out there today.

The real question is how any future law would define "paparazzi", which of their actions would be criminal and whether there would be "creep" concerning the enforcement of any such law.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:58 AM
Response to Reply #43
44. Easy... you put your lens in my rig
you are interfering with an emergency worker... (and I will smash another lens in a similar situation)

You step in front of a gurney as it is unloaded OUTSIDE an ER, and get in the ways of medics, DOING their job... you are interfering with the work of an emergency worker

My all time favorite, you push a cop out of the way... that is assault on a police officer

you see... the difference between a reporter and a paparazzi is simple, having dealt with BOTH

Reporters report, paparazzi create their own stories.

Reporters do NOT cause accidents, paparazzi do

Reporters take their photos at distance, paparazzi many a times shove cameras in your face, patients, police, victims, you mention it... in ways that are aggressive and get in the way of doing our collective jobs

Reporters drive to hospitals

Paparazzi rush to hospitals, break all kinds of traffic laws and cause accidents

Need I go on?



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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:11 AM
Response to Reply #44
46. I would like to see some real definition of what is a "paparazzi"....
....& which of their actions require new laws.

All of the excesses you mentioned above are already well covered by criminal law & civil liability.

All the behavior you describe could also be said about many enterprising investigative reporters.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:25 AM
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48. Trust me, enterprising investigative reporters do NOT cause
lethal accidents, paparazzi do

Now here are definitions for you... Merriam Webster

paparazzo
One entry found.

paparazzo

Main Entry:
pa·pa·raz·zo
Pronunciation:
\ˌpä-pə-ˈrät-(ˌ)sō\
Function:
noun
Inflected Form(s):
plural pa·pa·raz·zi \-(ˌ)sē\
Etymology:
Italian, from Paparazzo, surname of such a photographer in the film La dolce vita (1959) by Federico Fellini
Date:
1966
: a freelance photographer who aggressively pursues celebrities for the purpose of taking candid photographs

and here you go more

pa·pa·raz·zo Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -raz·zi <-raht-see; It. -raht-tsee> Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation.
a freelance photographer, esp. one who takes candid pictures of celebrities for publication.

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pa·pa·raz·zo (pä'pə-rät'sō) Pronunciation Key
n. pl. pa·pa·raz·zi (-sē)
A freelance photographer who doggedly pursues celebrities to take candid pictures for sale to magazines and newspapers.




Oh and by the way, most of these freelance photographers do not have press credentials... (from experience)
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Donk Yore Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #30
32. ding ding ding
you are asking what I have been saying.

good job!
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:18 AM
Response to Reply #30
47. It is a problem right now. In California, the CHP which once
issued the official press pass for journalists to get into disaster/accident scenes, stopped issuing them because freelancers (who mainly tape fatal car crashes, shootings, etc. overnight) were arguing that they are journalists also, since they sell their video to news outlets.

The CHP got sick of trying to figure out who qualified as a journalist, so they said fuck it.

Incidentally, the press is commonly kept away from politicians by their staff and security detail, especially if the politician is involved in controversy.

It's been an ongoing problem in Detroit where the mayor is seemingly in constant hot water. His staff has been accused by reporters, especially the chief investigative reporter at WXYZ, of resorting to thuggery to keep reporters away from asking the mayor questions.


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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #47
74. Trust me I identify with the quandary for the CHP
and politicos who get into hot water resort to thuggery regardless of country... that is a rule.

But I know that my local PD still issues them. Problem is... reporters stay behind yellow tape... vultures don't

On a personal note, I had one of these ghouls one time over me, as we were trying to tube a patient, He was actually interfering with medical care... he was removed to the local jail to cool his heels...

Oh and as an aside... he did not have press creds either.

Oh and patient did live.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:31 AM
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36. she`s on "lock down" no one can see her but her-father!
everything has been turned over to him-the house-the money-and all things relating to her care. mom and her "boyfriend" are not allowed any where near her without his permission. she`s basically stripped of her right of any decisions until a court hearing feb 4th.

when this happens she must be in really bad shape....
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:35 AM
Response to Reply #36
38. That is a mental competency hearing
and yes, she is in bad shape... just from what you are describing
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:40 AM
Response to Reply #38
40. ya could`t remember the word...
crazy bitch is on ignore..i`ve had to many long days and months dealing with family..that pissed me off..crazy bitch needs to be gone.

i just read about her an hour ago..
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:47 AM
Response to Reply #40
41. Well many in this country still don't get it, mental illness is real
and as to family, I know the feeling
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:26 AM
Response to Reply #38
49. I'm not being snarky but curious since you have experience
with these things. Wouldn't her being awake or up from Saturday to Thursday with no sleep point to drug abuse as well? I'm not saying she doesn't have mental issues but would mental issues alone keep her up for days?
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:46 AM
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50. possibly but not necessarily
i really think she is bipolar and a classic symptom of mania is high energy and not sleeping (or not sleeping much). the last bad manic swing i had, i was sleeping only a few hours a night.

a lot of people with mental illness have drug or alcohol problems because they try to self-medicate, but the drugs or alcohol make it worse, so they use more...it's a nasty, nasty, nasty cycle
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ninety lives Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:00 AM
Response to Reply #50
57. Sleeplessness does not have to be an indicator of drug abuse OR "bipolar"

I've suffered horrendous insomnia in the past without EVER having used drugs.

When I was hospitalized for this, the doctors ruled out ANY mood disorder,
like bipolar.

Sleeplessness can be due to a lot of things: stress, trauma, thyroids out of wack......

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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #57
59. i am well aware of this
i too have suffered insomnia without drugs.

no where did i EVER say that those were the only two causes of insomnia and the reply with within the context of MENTAL ILLNESS because it is glaringly obvious that this poor young woman is suffering from some form of mental illness. if this were a generic thread about insomnia, my answer would have been more expanded.

and way to marginalize me and all of us who have been diagnosed "bipolar." it is a real condition. it can rip you up inside, it can tear apart your life if it's not treated. there is NO reason to use quotes around the word unless you are wanting to invalidate it
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #59
61. ...
:hug: :loveya:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #49
75. My hubby has real bad insomnia, he has done that
a couple times, no drug use

So no, not necesarily
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #36
70. She's BEEN in really bad shape for a long time.
Thank god the courts have finally stepped in.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:48 AM
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42. I feel really bad for Britney
She needs help, and anyone who takes great delight in her pain and destruction is either jealous or sadistic. I think it is sad that such empty people exist.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:05 AM
Response to Reply #42
45. I agree that if she does suffer from a mental illness
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 02:06 AM by cboy4
such as bipolarity, which is reported she does, I think it is sad also.

She reportedly hadn't slept in about four days when she was taken away.

There's something wrong with that picture.

Just from a human standpoint, I don't know how you can't feel bad -- especially for her parents.


on edit..typo

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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:28 AM
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54. I agree with Zine. This is getting ridiculous and someone is bound to get hurt.
Britney obvious has a mental illness (she exhibits some classic symptoms of a manic depressive). The blank stares and seemingly "out-of-it" behavior she presents sometimes are likely the result of medication and she is not adjusting very well.

Throwing 30 flashing cameras in her face is not helping the situation or any other nearby residents.
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ninety lives Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:18 AM
Response to Reply #54
58. Overdiagnosing

I have serious problems with people "diagnosing" someone they don't even know.

Unless you know Britney Spears personally, how could you possibly know
that she has "bipolar"?

Wikipedia, for example, gives a LONG list of reasons why someone might have insomnia.

I find it REALLY ODD that the only medical "condition" people on the internet
refer to is "bipolar".

Let's think statistically here. If someone has insomnia, what are the odds
that among the possible causes, bipolar illness is most likely:

"Insomnia can be caused by:

* Psychoactive drugs or stimulants, including certain medication, herbs, caffeine, cocaine, ephedrine, amphetamines, methylphenidate, MDMA, methamphetamine and modafinil
* Hormone shifts such as those that precede menstruation and those during menopause
* Psychological problems like fear, stress, anxiety, emotional or mental tension, work problems, financial stress, unsatisfactory sex life
* Mental Disorders such as clinical depression, bipolar disorder, general anxiety disorder
* Disturbances of the circadian rhythm, such as shift work and jet lag can cause an inability to sleep at some times of the day and excessive sleepiness at other times of the day. Jet lag is seen in people who travel through multiple time zones, as the time relative to the rising and setting of the sun no longer coincides with the body's internal concept of it. The insomnia experienced by shift workers is also a circadian rhythm sleep disorder.
* Certain neurological disorders, brain lesions, or a history of traumatic brain injury
* Medical conditions such as Hyperthyroidism and Wilson's syndrome
* Abuse of over-the counter or prescription sleep aids can produce rebound insomnia
* Poor sleep hygiene
* Parasomnia, which includes a number of disruptive sleep events including nightmares, sleepwalking, violent behavior while sleeping, and REM behavior disorder, in which a person moves his/her physical body in response to events within his/her dreams
* a rare genetic condition can cause a prion-based, permanent and eventually fatal form of insomnia called fatal familial insomnia"


Now....statistically, what is most likely to cause severe insomnia are the following:

-stress and / or anxiety

-other medical conditions


I don't like it when people who are NOT doctors decide that someone has a "mental
illness". I don't like it because people use so-called "mental illness" as
an excuse to not value other people and to label them as fundamentally
flawed
and therefore not deserving of respect.

I suffered severe sleep deprivation a few years ago, and I had to be hospitalized
as a result. Some people kept insinuating that I had a "mental illness"
that required hospitalization, and they tried to insinuate that in my
workplace in an effort to discredit me.

It never occurred to those nasty individuals that maybe it was the stress
caused by them that caused me to lose sleep in the first place.

Mental or physical illness is only to be prescribed by doctors and is
a private matter governed by laws such as HIPAA.

Personally, I think lay people look like idiots when they think they
can diagnose a complete stranger with mental illness. Celebrities
are particularly subject to stresses like exhaustion, dehydration and
anxieties that can result in hospitalization.

Why someone is so interested in her diagnosis is beyond me.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:17 AM
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60. Give her a TASER
That ought to keep them away.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:39 PM
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63. The papps just want photos. The police and call for an ordinance are the real over-kill.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #63
66. I guess you'd have to see the situation up and close to
understand what a menace these paparazzi are and how they endanger innocent lives.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #63
76. Perhaps we should send them YOUR way 24\7
that MIGHT change your POV on this...

For how long do you want them? A week, a month, the rest of your life?

Then you might get it, they are a menace
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Sugar Smack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:04 PM
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71. Those fucking assholes. My first thought is just BACK OFF.
She's a kid with a lot of problems.
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