Let's really stimulate the economy fast.

[plantwomyn]

The Bush administration should just eliminate the 18.4 cents per gal. of gas in taxes that goes to the federal government. No check printing and delivery, no IRS, no taxation on the rebate income in 2009. It effects everyone, even if they don't have a car they buy goods delivered by truck. Simple and fast.

[Initech]

1. Actually the best way to stimulate the economy - bring gas back down below $2.00 / gal.

There is no fucking way gas should be that high, especially in cities like Los Angeles that don't have a decent mass transportation system. :grr:

[dysfunctional press]

4. actually, there's no reason gas should be as CHEAP as it is now.

considering it's overall value to our society, and the problems we'll have when it's all gone.

[Initech]

7. Yeah, but right now gas is expensive and it all goes to the pocketbook of some oil company CEO

If we had gas the same way Europe does where it all goes back to the infrastructure instead of lining some rich asshole's pocketbook, THEN I might be inclined to agree with you.

[dysfunctional press]

11. but it's not "expensive" at all.

when you consider how valuable/vital it is to our way of life, and consider how much might actually be left of the ONE-TIME supply of petroleum, we're pissing away the current lifeblood of our civilization.
if prices were more inline with it's actual value, people would use less, making it last longer.

[liberal N proud]

9. You actually want to pay more for gas?

I don't get it when people justify the jump in prices of gas and health care by saying it actually should be higher.

The oil companies all have record profits that is effected by the price of gas. The price of gas has a very large effect on many peoples personal finances. Mine included.

The more it cost to travel, the less I do it. The less I travel, the less money goes from my pocket to the restaurants and other establishments that I used to frequent.

All my disposable income has been put into my gas tank.

[dysfunctional press]

10. yes. i think it's ridiculous that people bemoan the "high price of gas"...

when, as a commodity it should be priced much higher. most of the opec nations have probably greatly exaggerated their reserves, which likely puts us pretty much past peak oil already. oil is extremely vital and valuable to our entire way of life at this point- and when it's gone, it's GONE.
if it were priced more realistically, people would use less, and it would likely last much longer.

[liberal N proud]

12. LOL: Oh yeah, If it cost more I am going to use less gas going to and from work

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[dysfunctional press]

18. did you ever stop to think that it's not all about YOU? i doubt it.

if it were priced appropriately, overall usage by society as a whole would drop considerably, and alternatives would be explored and utilized more quickly.

[liberal N proud]

21. How many Americans do you know that could drive less each week

Our lives are spread out. We all live 5 miles or more from work and the corner stores are all gone.
Do you think that I am the only one that has to drive to and from work and to and from shopping?

The only way we could drive less is live like the fucking Chinese on bicycles peddling through the snow with enough groceries to fix the days meal.

About me, it's about the way America was developed. We do not live in villages, we live in Cities and rural areas where we have to drive to everything we do.

[dysfunctional press]

23. a LOT of them, judging by the number of cars i see with only one person in them.

so, it seems that just because the u.s. is designed around the car, you feel that gasoline is always going to be there?

global warming is ANOTHER reason why gas prices should be MUCH higher than they currently are. we need to cut down on gasoline usage for both reasons- peak oil and the depleted supply, and the impact that auto emissions have on global warming.

or are you one of those people who feel that the american economy is too important, and yet too frail to survive without completely destroying the planet?

[liberal N proud]

27. I just think there are other solutions to this problem other than

taking every dime one has to "reduce fuel consumption" To think that is viable is more moronic than believing ethanol is the answer.

I don't know who you expect everyone to ride with when their jobs are different directions from each other. It's not like everyone lives in one neighborhood and works at the same location. Not all jobs start at the same hour and end at the same hour.


Every time the price of gas goes up, I cut something else from my expenses and that does nothing for the economy. I know many people that do the same thing. First it was eating out and movies. The only thing that I could cut at this point is my kids extra curricular activities, Oh I guess they shouldn't have music lessons or dance lessons because we should be paying $8.00/Gallon for gasoline because it will cut down on consumption.

Only in America would someone believe such a bullshit story.

[dysfunctional press]

30. if you think that there are other solutions- why don't you name a few of them...?

:shrug:

[liberal N proud]

31. Now if I knew of the perfect solution, I wouldn't be sitting at my PC

Posting on a political forum, would I.

I am informed enough to realize that jacking the price through the roof isn't going to stop anything.
Raising the price of fuel does nothing more than raise the price of everything else thus stunting the economy even more which is where this thread started I believe.

[dysfunctional press]

35. ...

:eyes:

maybe if you exercised a little, instead of squatting in front of a computer, 5 miles to work wouldn't be such a difficult thing to manage without a car.

[liberal N proud]

37. You are so full....

of crap.

Again, have you given up your driving habits? Sold the car/truck or what ever it is you have that consumes carbon based fuel?

You want to tell us we are FAT and LAZY but I don't see you indicating that this is a practice you are willing to embrace full on.

[dysfunctional press]

39. i do A LOT of bike riding.

and someone who feels that 5 miles is too far not to drive to work, or 2 miles is too far not to drive to the grocery store IS LAZY.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

24. When I visited America, I was shocked by how much people drove and how little they walked.

Americans do often use cars for journeys where most people in Britain would walk (and still more so compared to many other countries).

Becoming less car-dependent is perfectly viable for American society, and well worth while.

[liberal N proud]

25. Little hard to walk 5 miles to work every day

And most Americans live that far or more from their place of employment.
And most neighborhoods don't have grocery stores or other shopping. Example, nearest grocery store to my house is 2 miles. Not going to carry a weeks worth of food home by foot that far.

[dysfunctional press]

32. 5 miles is not too far to ride a bike, tho.

and it would make a GREAT run. when my wife was commuting to her job by train, the station was about 4 1/2 miles away, so she would take the bus to the train in the morning, but she would run home in the evening.

LOTS of people walk to grocery stores that are more than 2 miles away- they have this great invention called a "wheel"- they attach them to carts and/or wagons, and it allows them to actually WALK, while pulling their items behind them.

5 miles is TOO FAR not to drive to work, and 2 miles is too far not to drive to the store...

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let me guess- you're...."overweight", aren't you?

[liberal N proud]

34. So have you given up your auto?

You must practice what you preach

[dysfunctional press]

38. i never said anything about giving up automobiles-

just that gas should be priced more realistically.

but yes, i don't do very much driving at all anymore. i do A LOT of bike riding, and i carpool with a couple of the neighbors for shopping trips.

[liberal N proud]

41. Well I am glad that carpooling works for you

Most Americans it doesn't and you can't expect someone who is not capable of walking 5 miles to just sit at home and not go to work.
You all would be bitching then that they were free-loading on the welfare system.

So you do you part and peddle your ass around town and stink in the conference room from the sweat of riding your bike. But the fucking notion that raising the price is going to solve the energy crisis is so misguide and fucked up.

GOOD NIGHT~!

[dysfunctional press]

44. hmmm...

stubborn lazy n proud is more like it.

[baldguy]

13. But we can't just double the price of gas overnight.

Like liberal N proud sez - people still have to go to work, get the kids to school, go to the market, etc etc. As it is the only viable option most people have - because of a conscience effort for almost 60 yrs by the federal govt to promote it over other means of transportation - is their car.

If gas was priced at $7-8/gal it would have to part of a comprehensive energy & transportation policy which includes MUCH higher mileage requirements and greatly expanded local, regional & national public mass transportation networks.

One more reason to vote exclusively Democratic.

[dysfunctional press]

19. well- the supply is unsustainable as it is.

but then, americans are getting better and better at sticking their heads into the sand, and letting the problems pass down to future generations.

it would seem that the "me" decade never really ended.

[liberal N proud]

29. Have you sold your Automobile and taken up bicycling?

I bet you continue to drive to work everyday and other frivolous trips here and there.


Practice what you preach big guy.

[dysfunctional press]

40. i ride my bike whenever possible.

when i lived in the city, i sold my car and relied on my bike and public transportation. we've moved to a fairly rural area, so i do need the car for some things, but i still use the bike more than the car.

besides, i never said anything about giving up cars entirely- only that fuel should be priced more realistically.

[Flatline]

15. Ok use less gas ...don't go to work then.. taxes are raised

to pay for fuel for Police, Fire, and other services..great Idea....NOT!!!! you are delusional ...

[dysfunctional press]

20. the delusional ones are the ones who think society will just soldier on once the gas is gone.

it's going to be fun to watch tho, the next few decades...:popcorn:

[high density]

36. "Next few decades"

Yeah, the next few decades. But people on this forum love talking right now as if they know what it is going to be like in 2028. Or they talk as if today is already 2028. Nobody knows what it's going to be like in 2028.

[liberal N proud]

22. YES!

As delusional as those who pretend that they can equate the price of gas per gallon with the price of milk per gallon.

They don't get the fact that as the price of fuel goes up so does the price of everything else.


Who do they expect to take the loss for this fantasy? Cost more so we will use less. ROFLMAO

[high density]

33. Priced much higher?

This is a free market. Demand for gasoline is down (in the US) and supply is steady, so prices are dipping a bit.

If you think it needs to be priced higher, then by all means leave a 100% tip to the gas station every time you fill up.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. There's an idea

that most folks could get behind, I think. How much of the Federal gas tax goes for roads, etc? How much for other stuff? I don't really know, but it is something to consider.

[liberal N proud]

3. $3.29/gal - $.18/gal @ 12 gal/fill-up = $2.16 savings each fill-up

On average I fill my tank once per week
52 fill-up/yr @ $2.16 each amounts to $112 bucks give or take.


Not going to do much either.

If they brought gas prices back down to near the level they were with numbnutz took office that would stimulate the economy real fast.

[dysfunctional press]

5. who would they get to sell it at a loss, though?

:shrug:

[plantwomyn]

8. At 0 interest.

If they do the stimulus package they're talking about it will be paid for with a loan from China. That's if China is still interested in the falling dollar. That loan, like the rest of the deficit, is on the backs of future generations.

[Warpy]

6. And the roads and bridges will get even worse!

That is what the gas tax goes for, repair of Federal highways and associated infrastructure.

It's being robbed by this administration, just like they're robbing everything else, but we're going to need that tax when we get rid of this bunch and probably an extra tax just to play catch up on deferred maintenance.

Well, unless you relish the idea of having a bridge collapse under your car.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

14. It Would Take On Average 5 Years To Gain That Same $600.

Not sure that would be 'really fast', with all due respect.

[plantwomyn]

17. Minus 5 years of interest compounded daily.

It also costs everyone more for everything we by that is delivered by truck, rail, airplane. Everyone gets the benefit of lower gas prices. Hell I'm for capping the profit on oil and removing ALL oil company tax breaks but that will never happen. They don't even have meters on the Iraqi oil pumps. They "estimate" how much oil is pumped into huge freighters by how much they sink into the water when they're full!

[treestar]

16. That's a logical idea

Therefore, the Chimpadministration will never consider it.

[Ishoutandscream2]

26. Well, how about bringing the troops home from Iraq

Maybe not an immediate stimulus to the economy, but it would benefit all of us a great deal in the long run.

[backscatter712]

42. That would save $100 B per year!

If even a fraction of that was invested in things from welfare to unemployment benefits to Social Security increases or health care or schools, that would be a huge shot in the arm for the U.S economy.

[MiniMe]

28. Stimulus package?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2770638&mesg_id=2770638

[TankLV]

43. Imprison and execute bush*, cheney and all the other WAR Crminials...

the celebrations and uplifting spirit will be like the end of WWII!!

and it won't cost a penny...

[plantwomyn]

45. I don't know about that, I think it would.

Impeachment ain't cheap' actually costs millions just to investigate. A death penalty trial ain't cheap either. Hell their lawyers would make millions in filling motions alone. Maybe a coup is the only economical way.

[mdmc]

46. No!

legalize herb