If this doesn't scare the living shit out of you...

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

...you may want to check yourself for a pulse:

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FLORENCE, Ariz. — Thomas Warziniack was born in Minnesota and grew up in Georgia, but immigration authorities pronounced him an illegal immigrant from Russia.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement has held Warziniack for weeks in an Arizona detention facility with the aim of deporting him to a country he's never seen. His jailers shrugged off Warziniack's claims that he was an American citizen, even though they could have retrieved his Minnesota birth certificate in minutes and even though a Colorado court had concluded that he was a U.S. citizen a year before it shipped him to Arizona.

On Thursday, Warziniack was told he would be released. Immigration authorities were finally able to verify his citizenship.

"The immigration agents told me they never make mistakes," Warziniack said in a phone interview from jail. "All I know is that somebody dropped the ball." . . .

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/25392.html

How many ordinary citizens have they already disappeared? How can we have any idea?

Commentary of Rawstory Poster, Buck Johnson on this story:

This should scare everybody on this post and in america.....
After everyone has read this article, what where your feelings about one the process and two the people running the process. My feelings on both of them was a form of deja vu. I couldn't get away from this feeling that I was seeing the middle stages of Internment Camps in the US. The people running the place didn't care the lawyers for ICE didn't care (until a camera and media was there then they cared), and from what little that have been reported they have deported American citizens. What we have here is a black hole where you can be disappeared if somebody wants you to. You get sent to a facility with no access to the judicial system and no lawyer. You tell them you are a citizen but they don't even do the most rudimentary checks to see if you are or not. And depending on if they will let you use a phone or you have any family members to vouch for you, you may get deported that day or that week. And this doesn't even take in account if your mentally ill or drugged out. You could literally (like the one hispanic gentleman) be a mentally ill american citizen in another country. It was pure apathy racism and downright sadism from the people and organization that where doing this to him and others. As I said before, this gave me a feeling of boding to where America is heading and what will come of it's people like me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camps

Source: http://www.rawstory.com/comments/44087.html

[annabanana]

1. It certainly ought to get people's attention.

Nothing else has, but this might do it.

[clarence swinney]

44. INS GOOFS BIG TIME

800 in plant.
INS came in and took 40 hispanics to charlotte and flew to Mexico.

They were told some were legal.

Did not matter.

Three months later most were back on old job. Many were legal others got work visas.

Some wives had told INS their husbands were legal. INS ignored them. They refused to talk to anyone.

[malaise]

2. We've had people deported to Jamaica

who were born in the US and some who certainly weren't born in Jamaica.
It is frightening.

[aquart]

3. We knew the Patriot Act was for us, not terrorists.

[Solly Mack]

4. K&R

Fuhuck

[BlueIris]

5. "...the *middle stages* of Internment Camps in the US."

Holy crap.

[Echo In Light]

12. Links: Bush's Mysterious 'New Programs'

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/47/17936

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/040206halliburton.htm

[melody]

6. Time to start dancing with the disappeared

Since they are the ones deciding who is or isn't an American, we might ALL disappear.

[GliderGuider]

15. They Dance Alone

Is this what you're referring to?
This song haunts me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_jDiDya5j4

[melody]

16. Yes, and the events the song commemorated

The women who danced with the invisible ones -- the ones their friend Pinochet made vanish.

I guess they're bringing their old friends' methodologies home now, too.

[GliderGuider]

19. Negroponte, Kissenger, School of the Americas

It's all the same nest of vipers.

[formercia]

7. Better get you Homeland Security approved ID

made by a well connected corporation, exclusively for you. Better hurry, you may not be able to afford one at any price soon. Carry it with you at all times so homeland Security can check their computers to verify where you say you have been according to the embedded RFID chip.

[Usrename]

8. Corrections Corporation of America

He was held at a private prison company.

:hide:

[livvy]

9. I wonder where they'd send me, being an American mutt. hmmmm...

It is alarming. It has been for a long time. A couple of years ago, I told my sister who to contact in the event I suddenly disappeared. I told her half in jest, but hell, who knows. This country is so screwed up right now, it's like living in some bad sci-fi novel, or stepping off the pages of a history book.

If you're fighting a war, it's important to get rid of the officers, but if you can get away with dissolving the troops or their willingness to fight, I guess you'd be just as successful in winning the war.

Fear is such an effective weapon, and the lying weasel and his jolly band of traitors are so good at it.

[timtom]

24. With any luck...

They'd send me to England, Ireland, or Germany, or even Austria.
Or New Zealand.
Or Vancouver, BC.
Or Nicaragua.

[livvy]

38. Yeah, us mutts could be a problem. n/t

[shadowknows69]

32. I'm part Dutch

they can deport me to Amsterdam any time they want. B-)

[livvy]

37. Ha...good one! I think I'll choose Ireland, if I have any choice. n/t

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

10. Those who don't fit the "brown person" mold will be called "child pornographers"

:scared: MKJ

on edit, imagine trying to fight that charge, especially if you're on computers at your job. Who knows what's been downloaded or viewed on them.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

11. I saw on our local news here just last night...

...a man had been charged with being in possession of child porn, and it was material they had apparently found on a computer.

Scary.

[GliderGuider]

20. Imagine this scenario

I have a friend who specializes in health services and consulting in matters of violence against women and children. Her office library contains some horrible stuff (know thine enemy).
Her ex wanted to get back at her (didn't want the kid, just wanted revenge) and told The Authorities that she was in possession of child porn.

It was a dirty trick. It didn't work, of course, but there were some angry words exchanged over that incident, I can assure you.

[midnight]

21. Also another scenerio to consider. How many of us on

perscription drugs and drive will be pulled over coming home from work and become OWI?

[LeftinOH]

13. "The burden of proof is on the individual to show they're legally entitled to

be in the United States."

Apparently, even if we have proof -it still isn't good enough.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

14. I hope this story makes its way to Jack Cafferty's desk...

Welcome to DU, by the way.


:hi:

[LanternWaste]

17. There was a time that the British navy...

There was a time that the British navy, being starved for sailors would empress Americans and tell them, "The burden of proof is on you to prove that you're an American and NOT a sailor in His Majesty's navy..."

There's an odd similarity these days...

[Beam Me Up]

18. WELL -- if we just had National ID Cards --

or, better yet, implanted chips -- this kind of thing wouldn't happen!


:sarcasm:

:mad:

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

23. You offer this in jest but...

...it wouldn't surprise me to see MSM spin a story like this in that way in the near future.

"Another easily avoidable ID related tragedy -- if he'd just gotten himself chipped like he was supposed to."

[Beam Me Up]

45. Wouldn't surprise me, either. One can safely predict

they will do precisely that when the time is right.

[Jed Dilligan]

22. Guilty until proven innocent

Is it... Busholeonic law?

[MilesColtrane]

25. No more or less scary than

the government holding one of it's citizens for years without charges, access to a lawyer, or a trial (Padilla). Or, even executing one of it's citizens without charges, or a trial. (Ahmed Hijazi)

Moral of the stories: if you have a foreign-sounding name you'd better change it to Smith.

[WinkyDink]

26. Winston Smith?

[FreepFryer]

28. Hijazi was killed with 6 others in a missile attack from an unmanned CIA drone.

Horrifying? Yes. But the circumstances are not that of an execution 'per-se'.

Sorry to be parsing here, but the details are indeed relevant.

As far as sentencing Padilla to 17 years without habeas corpus, that's just fascism - plain and simple.

[MilesColtrane]

30. You're right.

I should have written "murdering".

[FreepFryer]

31. And that would be 100% accurate, and 200% un-American. Please keep up the good work.

[FreepFryer]

27. It's completely unacceptable - but remember, Warziniak had personally claimed to be a Russian.

I'm not intending to diminish the critical importance of the story, but it must be remembered that Warziniak made claims to have been a Russian, who snuck into the country by swimming ashore.

It's a tragic and terrifying case of 'Catch-22' justice in the 21st Century, but on the face of it, it appears to me the detention itself was not unfounded.

[rasputin1952]

29. So where are all of those who say...

"I have nothing to worry about, I have a clean record". They can now see what we've been saying for years.

The so called "Patriot Act" was nothing more than an increment in the takeover of the nation by a few zealots who think they know how everyone else should live.

In a nutshell, the "Patriot Act" should be repealed as soon as possible.

PNAC, and all of those who are connected with it are simply traitors, and should be treated as such.

[FlyingSquirrel]

33. This never happened.

Yes it did.

[L0oniX]

34. I welcome them to send me back to the Netherlands where I have never been before.

I am Dutch and I can't wait to smoke some chronic green bud and play with the hookers.

[pingzing58]

35. Lou Dobbs, Michelle Malkin and Coultergeist have made at atmosphere of hate and

loathing, disdain and indifference towards fellow human beings (regardless of their legal status) that lends itself to the abuse of people whom society has labeled as illegal, unwanted, law breakers, and deserving of psychological and/or physical torture. Flat out evil and such evil can only be conquered by the good will of sane people who are willing to take a non-violent stand against such acts.

[Larry Ogg]

36. I started getting scared in 1980

And everyone told me not to worry about such things. I didn’t take their advice so I now have enough scared that I could fill a warehouse with. And even today when such things are so much more obvious and frequent most people choose to cover their eye’s and ears and block out of their mind those things they know to be true, and replace it with thoughts much more comfortable. And the people who own this country and our politicians know how, and use to their benefit, the way the minds of normal people work, and believe me when I say, they depend on it, and it very much requires a fearful heart.

[mzmolly]

39. LOL, oops wrong thread!

:blush:

[drmeow]

40. I've had the living shit scared out of me

every effing day for 7 years.

[Kurovski]

41. Kick. (nt)

[PervezClinton]

42. I enjoyed reading this. Thanks.

[mnhtnbb]

43. Citizens are going to need to carry birth certificate/and or passport

with them at all times.

It's like the 30's in Germany. Be able to prove who you are to any authority that stops you at any time.