Senate on Floor talking about FISA on now

[bdamomma]

http://c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan2_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

[gateley]

1. Kennedy up now. Dodd was up earlier.

I don't really know what comes next, do you? Will there by any vote today?

[bdamomma]

4. there are two bills being presented continiuing warrantless wiring tapping

and granting those telcom companies immunity, the Judiciary Bill has provisions.

[kelligesq]

6. Vote is at 2 PM in a half hour. TOLL FREE #

call senators repug and dem, yr state senator and tell em no retroactive immunity, NO immunity period. It's unamerican and unpatriotic

No Spying on Americans without justification

Toll Free Number


[phone]

we pay for that number and now they want us to pay legal fees and awards for
ATT wrong doing.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

2. Ted Kennedy up. Am I correct that he is for the Judiciary version as opposed

to the Intelligence Committee version?

[librechik]

3. yes, explaining why now

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

5. He answered me with perfect timing! Thanks for your reply!

[bdamomma]

7. Kit Bond looks like he had a hard nite.

why is he so disheveled.

[VP505]

31. LOL

:toast: his red wino face says it all.

[bdamomma]

8. Sorry Kit, that Intelligence Bill still holds immunity towards those

telecom companies, the Judiciary Committee bill is against immunity, if I got that right.

[kelligesq]

9. Im calling Hatch and Bond

and asking them why they are destroying the Constitution of the US

telling them they are Unamerican against the fourth amendment

unpatriotic

will never vote for a repulican again if they permit retroactive immnity and spying

Toll Free Number


[phone]



we pay for that number and now they want us to pay legal fees and awards for
ATT wrong doing.

[bdamomma]

11. after reading what the dick said he wants no expiration for the FISA bill

what a prick he is.:grr:

[kelligesq]

12. Bond's office hung up on me when I asked.

I;d like to know why he's destroying the Constitution of the United States

and I asked very quitely and politely.

[kelligesq]

13. Hatch's office

I asked to give him a message:

Id like to know why hes destroying the Constitution of the United States
and the fourth amendement

silence, and then they guy said alright.

[aquart]

75. Did you mention what it was in reference to?

Because they just might think you were calling them Republicans.

[bdamomma]

15. it seems like if you dissent they hang up on you.

[kelligesq]

20. happened to you too Alyce? but

it's getting to them.

I think I'll add, if they vote for immunity I';ll never vote republican again
(as if I ever did)

[bdamomma]

27. no I remember when I called my rep from RI who is a democrat

when I said something like this administration was disgusting (and I was saying it very politely) all of a sudden I heard click. Knocked me right off. I almost called again to say just because I said disgusting you cut me off. :grr:

[bdamomma]

10. kick

[kelligesq]

16. K & R - the phone calls are getting to them - please do it

:bounce:

Toll Free Number


[phone]

[bdamomma]

14. Rockafeller on floor opposing Judiciary Bill for FISA

which does not include immunity for those telecom companies.

[TwilightGardener]

18. Of course--he does Chimpy's bidding.

[kelligesq]

22. youre kidding me. Are you sure? I could never figure him out. Now I know

his uncle David Rockefeller started Trilateral for one world government which
pappy boooosh started with him

but I coundt figure out if Jay Rockefeller was one of them or not.

are you sure he was for immmunity?

[gateley]

17. On the ACLU petition that they sent to our reps, I stated

my vote for you depends on your vote on this.

That's what I say every time. That's all they really care about.

[bdamomma]

21. yup, all of us should say this,

when is the senator coming up for re-election? well, like you said "my vote for you depends on your vote for this".

[kelligesq]

23. excellent idea.

:cry: for America and the Constitution and the 4th amendment for privacy

[bdamomma]

19. Leahy on floor

[bdamomma]

24. vote now to table the Judiciary Committee's version of the FISA bill

voting now.

[kelligesq]

25. repugs asking for vote to table now at 2:03 PM - exactly

what does that mean?

[TwilightGardener]

26. "Table" I think means it's shelved--put away for another day. Basically a no vote.

[bdamomma]

28. yea, but Leahy said he would bring this up again and again

and would go over each provision. Leahy has had enough too.

[TwilightGardener]

29. That's good.

[kelligesq]

30. The bill is S 2248 so we can look u0p how they voted later.

not many dems there.

much more republicans in room

apparently the FISA bill will continue for another 6 years as it is written, not with the amendments by Leahy.

[bdamomma]

34. don't you wish we could just cut out this cancer that has hold on our government.

they are crippling generations to come. I hate these people. sorry for my rant.

[kelligesq]

35. C-Span says tabling means it kills the bill (leahy' judiciary bill)

this is the vote.

[kelligesq]

36. Murkowski voted aye. Isnt she a dem?

(:

[kelligesq]

38. shock Feinstein voted no - she was for immunity previously

.

[TwilightGardener]

39. Evan Bayh--aye. O my God, what a useless POS. Same with Mikulski.

[kelligesq]

40. Evan Bayh - another LIeberman voted aye, Mikulski, aye,Lieberman aye, Inoye aye

so now we're getting to know who the faux demo-repubicans are

[TwilightGardener]

42. Durbin aye--WTF?

[TwilightGardener]

43. LOL! He changed it--no!

on edit--see, Obama bashers? You can fuck it up and vote the wrong way by accident, even verbally.

[kelligesq]

44. Nelson of Florida, AYE ! he frequently with the repugs

.

[Individualist]

45. No doubt about that. They're all DLC members,

so of course they're faux democrats. :puke:

This is why the DLC is dangerous. For all their claims of supposedly wanting to help Democrats, they employ people like Marshall Wittman who specifically try to undermine the Democratic Party, even if it means he has to publicly defecate out the most rank and easily-debunkable lies. They reguarly give credence to the right wing's agenda and its worst, most unsupportable lies. They are the real force that tries to make sure this country is a one party state and that Democrats never really challenge the Republicans in a serious way. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/why-the-dlc-is-so-dangero_b_13640.html

[wtmusic]

82. I peppered her offices with faxes today

Sometimes, even though you know better, you like to think you make a difference

[BuyingThyme]

37. Basically a win for a filibusterer?

:woohoo:

[kelligesq]

48. no, ayes kill the bill and let boosh's stand for 6 years, nays are

for Leahy's and judiciary bill for no retroactive immunity

[BuyingThyme]

52. Now I'm really confused.

[TwilightGardener]

62. They voted to kill the Judiciary version of FISA, which was the version

that did not grant telecom immunity, and made some other changes to FISA. Now that that's tabled, or killed, they'll start debating the Intelligence version of FISA, which HAS immunity. However, Chris Dodd will offer an amendment to strip immunity from the bill, which means that it's possible the Intel version will pass without immunity. But since we have turncoat Dems who want to keep that telecom money flowing in to their campaign coffers, it's doubtful the Dodd amendment will pass with 60 votes.

[bdamomma]

32. oh shit seems like they are voting on party lines again

SOB's vote not over yet, but alot of YEAS to table

[TwilightGardener]

41. It's going to be killed--Inouye, Bayh, Mikulski, Salazar and Lieberman are ayes.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

46. McCaskill voted aye also. nt

[TwilightGardener]

47. What a sweetheart.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

56. This really proves to me that the Democratic Party has been infiltrated. eom

[kelligesq]

64. thats what ive been saying: centrist = republican,maybe not so light

like Dean said " I'm from the democratic wing of the democratic party.

but there is no democaratic party anymore. used to be democratic - liberal, or moderate liberal

now it means DLC moderate republican

and I'm not so sure about this new "progressive" label

seems to encompass DLC'ers

[kelligesq]

50. not party lines cause dems voting with pugs - disgusting unamerican traitors to Constitution

4th amendemnt

:puke:

[bdamomma]

54. opps I stand corrected.

[mod mom]

33. Shouldn't the presidential candidates be there to act on this important legislation?

[TwilightGardener]

49. Nelson and Landrieu--aye. Thanks, Benator, you asshole.

[kelligesq]

51. anal aperture is a nice way of saying that. 60 to 34 aye

.I havent been around on DU for several years,,,,changed a lot
too much swearing
and at each other too

it really is offensive, but maybe that's just my age

[TwilightGardener]

68. OK, sorry!

[kelligesq]

74. :)

thanks

[bdamomma]

53. shit it was tabled. the Judiciary Committee's FISA Bill

nice to see Biden saying NO.

[trashcanistanista]

55. Saw it. Fuck, Fuck, Fuck!

Especially the crossover dems. Bastards.

[bdamomma]

59. shit, why is there such a disconnect between us and them

and why don't they uphold the Constitution. They ok these companies immunity to spy on all us without any warrants, SOB's.

[kelligesq]

70. They dont represent us anymore - I suspect "1968" is going

to come around again. No respect for them, total frustration by the people.

[TwilightGardener]

80. We would be so lucky if the rest of America even paid attention enough

to get angry--I suspect most won't care, or will think they're just trying to make us safe.

[trashcanistanista]

71. I'm sorry, but I truly

think they are being paid off. I think it's cash. That's just my opinion.

[kelligesq]

77. I thnk it's power and wanting to take away freedoms in this country

that has been focus of One World government. WTO, IMF, New World Order.

Americans are indeptendent and used to speaking out bcause of freedoms guaranted
by Constitution

They want to make us docile fearful slaves afraid to speak, dissent....
like Russia used to be.

Either they get out or we get out of this country

[trashcanistanista]

95. That too, but that ultimately

comes down to wealth and more wealth as rights are stripped away and we lose our right to disent. It's astounding how focused and mobilized they are to take away rights. I'm staying, I want them out. I am disgusted.

[BuyingThyme]

58. What's the status of the other bill and Dodd's filibuster?

[TwilightGardener]

63. That version will be considered next, along with Dodd's anti-immunity amendment and other

amendments. Or, at least I think that's what will happen.

[BuyingThyme]

66. Thanks(es) wienerdoggie!

:hi:

[trashcanistanista]

65. I think the Dodd is comming up. Reid

announced his name after the bill was tabled. They are going to present ammendments to the other version. I can see Dodd on the floor up front.

[slipslidingaway]

57. K&R n/t

[bdamomma]

60. More amendments are being offered, something like Title 1 and 2

regarding the FISA Bill.

[Individualist]

61. DLC prevails again -

and again and again. :grr:

[Blaze Diem]

67. Just tuned in..Do we have 6 more years & retroactive immunity yet?

Does this mean the next Dem Pres and Congress can legally SPY on all things Bush, Cheney & cronies do when they're out of office? We can ALWAYS know where to find any one of them when the Hague goes looking someday?
THat is the only good thing that may come of this.
I am disgusted by the 'ayes'.

[trashcanistanista]

69. Not just yet, but a little closer.

The judiciary committee version was tabled which had the no retroactive immunity. The Intelligence Com. version is still being debated with amendments, I think they are waiting for a senator to come to the floor. Thie is very heartbreaking.

[kelligesq]

73. YES. retroactive immunity passed I think Now Rockefeller & BAyh making

amendment. you know that's a republican amendment for sure now.

[trashcanistanista]

79. No, not yet.

All they did was table the bill that had no retroactive immunity. The other one is being debated now (with retroactive immunity). It will probably pass based on the way the votes went, but it hasn't been voted on yet.

[bdamomma]

72. Rockafeller and Bond Amendment up now.

excluding Americans who live outside of the US and travelers and military personnel.

[TwilightGardener]

76. Well, can't argue with that. That's a no-brainer.

[bdamomma]

78. Rockafeller talking about my Senator Whitehouse would did alot of work

regarding those citizens who live outside the US.

[kelligesq]

81. Talking about spying on Americans overseas..should be expanded- he shows

his true colors.

[Muttocracy]

84. wait, I thought that was only if they were employees of foreign power?

Otherwise, have to go through FISA even for overseas Americans?

I'm a bit confused though.

[gateley]

85. OT -- How's work?

:evilgrin:

Knew you couldn't stay away. :rofl:

[Muttocracy]

87. shhhh! looking busy n/t

[gateley]

90. SELF DELETE -- wrong place. nt

[fascisthunter]

89. Scumbags! Think Bush does This Shit By Himself? Think Again

[kelligesq]

88. Gone: 1st, 2nd, 3rd and now 4th amendment - I used to worry that al ka

would "damage" the capitol

used to. past tense.

[Marr]

83. Tell me again how 'any Dem is better than a Republican'.

This is why I refuse to vote for DINOs. I'd rather have Republicans in charge than enable the right wing of the Democratic Party.

[gateley]

86. Okay, but SOME Dems ARE better than R's. They voted "no" today. nt

[kelligesq]

93. apparently if the dems in charge, it IS the republicans - but dont vote for a repug anyway

.

[kelligesq]

96. changing my voter registration is looking better and better -

to Independent after the primaries.

[wtmusic]

91. Kit Bond bringing up the lame "if you're not doing anything wrong

you have nothing to worry about" argument.

What an asshole.

[gateley]

94. I'd like to see J. Edgar Hoover's file on him. nt

[gateley]

92. Will somebody give me the gist of Rockefeller's statement? Thanks.

[trashcanistanista]

98. He wants Americans living overseas to be

protected from unwarranted surveillance that lead to unwarranted consequences. They will be protected by American courts despite the fact that they live abroad. American courts? Is he kidding me?

[gateley]

100. How about the Americans living in America?

And what the hell does "unwarranted consequences" mean?

[trashcanistanista]

103. He does not interpret it. My interpretation is

being thrown into Gitmo for five to ten years without access to an attorney or due process by "oops", mistake. But that's just me.

[kelligesq]

109. rendition or gitmo

bastid he is

[kelligesq]

108. double speak.he wants fisa court to have authority over Americans abroad

when it comes to wiretapping them etc.

[trashcanistanista]

110. Yes, that's what it comes down to.

[wtmusic]

97. Dodd is co-sponsoring Feingold's amendment nt

[gateley]

101. What does this do to Dodd's amendment? Anything? Or are they just

stacking up the amendments hoping ONE of them will pass?

[wtmusic]

106. No clue.

Obviously some very subtle procedural gamesmanship going on.

[wtmusic]

99. Feingold kicking ass

demanding Congress be provided with court orders retroactively.

[bdamomma]

102. yes, he is.

[bdamomma]

104. second thread up now

hey you guys I started NUMBER 2 THREAD

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2758103

[trashcanistanista]

107. Thank you for the threads!

I tuned in late but was able to catch up.:hi:

[wtmusic]

105. WTF? Bond says there were no international telephone calls before 1976

Just radio. :crazy: Out of his mind.

[Divine Discontent]

111. kick for honesty

is there anything I still can do right now? I'm praying about it... I'm so pissed at our DEM leaders as a whole, (some of them rock, like Feingold)

[trashcanistanista]

112. Our hope really lies in Dodd.

as to whether or not he can successfuly filibuster. Fisa expires 2/1, they can do a short term extension of the orig fisa if things get out of hand. Or they can stay in the Senate over the weekend and wait out the filibuster. It's not over yet.

[Divine Discontent]

113. thank you I will call Dodd and thank his office n/t

[Divine Discontent]

114. just called my senator (Nelson)

he is supporting Dodd's amendment

here's more important #'s to call as per a pro Dodd website I saw

* Barbara Boxer: [phone]
* Sherrod Brown: [phone]
* Russ Feingold: [phone]
* Ted Kennedy: [phone]
* Bill Nelson: [phone]
* Ron Wyden: [phone]
* Joe Biden: [phone]
* Hillary Clinton: [phone]
* John Kerry: [phone]
* Bob Menendez: [phone]
* Barack Obama: [phone]
* Ben Cardin: [phone]
* Norm Coleman: [phone]
* Dick Durbin: [phone]

[kelligesq]

115. Nelson in Florida? if its

him he voted for immunity for telcoms and to keep the old fisa for 6 years

he said aye, while 33 other dems said nay

[Divine Discontent]

116. yes, FL Nelson

the worker in his office said he was supporting the Dodd one.