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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:22 PM Original message |
Why do so many here believe that the next Great Depression is always around the corner? |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
1. I agree. The probable recession will be mild, IMO. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Indeed. The historical pattern since WWII is historically mild business cycles. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:17 AM Response to Reply #2 |
92. The tech bubble saved us in the 90s, personal debt bubble in the 00's... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #92 |
130. The 1990s tech bubble didn't really take effect until 1998. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #130 |
187. You do understand what "productivity growth" means, right? |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 01:30 AM Response to Reply #187 |
193. One thing about that chart is that it has some serious scaling issues. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #193 |
197. You said debt/income ratios are not appreciably higher than in the 90s, but they are. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 02:30 AM Response to Reply #197 |
203. That move from 12.5% to over 13.5% is not appreciable, no. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 02:42 AM Response to Reply #203 |
207. Overall liabilities increased by a lot more than that. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 02:45 AM Response to Reply #207 |
208. Most of your post is anecdotal. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 02:59 AM Response to Reply #208 |
213. Your faith that interest rates will remain low may be a bit naive... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:04 AM Response to Reply #213 |
214. That's a possible scenario. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
3. Or the next "jobless recovery". A concept which in of itself is an absurd misnomer. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
26. Jobless recoveries seem to characterize the early parts of an economic recovery these days. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
4. Ah, yes...everything looks better now! |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. That is in no way a credible response to my post. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
32. I have absolutely NO faith that the government will be truthful about this |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
96. Reich |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:27 AM Response to Reply #96 |
100. I'm not refuting that the correction wouldn't be "normal"... |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Yes to all your points, and... |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
5. I spent 135.00 on two measly bags of groceries last week....... |
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BeatleBoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
6. Michigan hasn't experienced this much economic turmoil since the Great Depression |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Statistically speaking, Michigan was in much worse shape in 1981-1982. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
42. 30 years ago there were functioning government programs to help... |
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BeatleBoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. I've been looking for an article from the University of Michigan |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. As I said, statistically I can't see how that is the case. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #56 |
161. Wait. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #161 |
168. I fail to see how it will happen. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 01:25 AM Response to Reply #168 |
192. During that period, energy and food were still figured into the CPI |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:18 AM Response to Reply #192 |
223. Even using the old measure, we're not even close. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 08:57 AM Response to Reply #168 |
255. I do not understand you people. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 01:19 AM Response to Reply #9 |
190. Michigan never really did recover though. |
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shugah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
58. indeed! there is no "around the corner" here |
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keep_it_real (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
8. Because it is |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. There is no reason to protect the stock market as you suggest since it |
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muyojoe (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
76. THICK HEADS |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:15 AM Response to Reply #11 |
84. It's Hocus Pocus |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:33 AM Response to Reply #11 |
234. There is no reason to protect it as far as the rest of us are concerned |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
10. Doom and gloom seems to be in vogue these days |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
50. It's called catharsis |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #50 |
75. ... |
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mikus1975 (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
12. Why don't you think it isn't? |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. If you knew a damn thing about the Depression you would know it was |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:21 AM Response to Reply #14 |
93. Deflation - like the housing market? Like the value of the dollar? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
13. because many are living it |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. I may not have lived the Depression, but I have talked to people who have. |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. agreed. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
46. I understand |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
16. Recession, Depression, Bubble, |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. That is troubling, but the stock market has nothing to do with it. |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #19 |
40. I don't believe anything |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:23 AM Response to Reply #19 |
226. The disintegration of the Middle Class is "troubling?" |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
17. Did You Read, Over In LBN, About China |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. That sort of thing happens from time to time. |
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Traveling_Home (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
20. Will the increasing sales of HDTVs continue?? eom |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I don't think this year. |
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Traveling_Home (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. How about women's cosmetics? eom |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Rightly, I don't care. |
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unapatriciated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
139. maybe with their tax prebate |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
24. The stock market .. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Will it hurt? Oh yes. But a Great Depression it most certainly is not. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. You know.. |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
25. The problem is we know the US government has not been |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Banks have run huge losses before. They can take it. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
63. The S&L crisis had the |
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unapatriciated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
140. no only the major ones survived |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
28. You fail to mention Housing in your analysis. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Housing was an implicit part of my analysis. |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. The Bank for International Settlements & other experts disagree. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:35 PM Response to Reply #41 |
55. Bill Gross just in April of last year projected 6.5% interest rates by this point. |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #55 |
65. Bonds right now are losing their triple A ratings. |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:00 AM Response to Reply #65 |
77. So what? |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:14 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. You should go on the Faux Business Channel |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:22 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. How incredibly predictable. |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:31 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. I see you've set aside this special time |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #81 |
102. I noticed you still haven't addressed the point I made about bonds. |
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SlowDownFast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #79 |
280. ^^^^Larry Kudlow^^^^. n/t |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:44 AM Response to Reply #78 |
239. You must walk away when someone displays ignorance this incredibly vast. |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 07:38 AM Response to Reply #239 |
253. And valueless rhetoric such as yours deserves to be revered. |
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midnight armadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #77 |
167. That's not the whole story |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #167 |
174. I did not say it would be of no consequence |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:07 AM Response to Reply #174 |
215. Indeed. A loss of 5% or so in bond funds is hardly the end of the world. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:08 AM Response to Reply #65 |
82. Moodys said we won't lose it for a decade, if we do. |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
30. It's what we know -- and avoid |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
31. Likely an equal number of worst-case-scenario types as blind-faither optimists |
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JFN1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
34. Sounds like you're not missing any meals |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. I don't want to be cold about this, but during the Depression that was a widespread |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Skip |
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JFN1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:43 AM Response to Reply #36 |
86. Poverty has increased by over one million Americans |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:25 AM Response to Reply #86 |
94. And the rich keep getting richer. Where is all that money coming from? |
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enid602 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
37. investments |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
39. Because we read and understand things. n/t |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
57. I can pretty well guarantee you I have read more. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. I wouldn't argue that. The question is one of comprehension and critical |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:25 PM Response to Reply #57 |
132. Maybe you need to read about...Gramm,Leach,Bliley Act that Clinton signed... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 12:57 AM Response to Reply #57 |
183. What? No reply? I'm shocked... n/t |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
44. Thank you, Thank you, THANK YOU! |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. You and I are entirely on the same page. |
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SlowDownFast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #53 |
281. Two paupers in a pod. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
133. Watch PBS Frontline's "The Wall Stree Fix" ...it might give you a clue... |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
45. Let's see: |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. And did I mention that those same boomers... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. That may be some level of turmoil, but we've seen worse. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:36 AM Response to Reply #54 |
87. But we're moving in the OPPOSITE direction of solutions towards... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #87 |
123. Crashes are not inevitable. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #123 |
142. Crashes are not inevitable. But we're working on a Duzzie... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #142 |
147. I firmly believe in the ability of policy to correct. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
48. I can't put together in my mind a way |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. In my rustbelt city, a HUGE mega-mall was built as an economic stimulus project... |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. The same thing happened in "Roger and Me". |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
52. here's why: we're working harder and barely making ends meet, and there is no improvement |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
59. because despite self congratulatory posts about how much smarter DUers are than everyone else |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #59 |
120. They don't even know the basic statistics or information at all. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
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J-Lo Biafra (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
66. Because some feel the need to be in a constant state of ooga-booga. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
67. 'Chicken Little' Democrats have been around a long time... |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:09 AM Response to Original message |
68. possibly because of the way bush* and the REPUKES have trashed the country... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #68 |
126. We will have a Democratic president and Congress. |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
69. I'm no economist, by a long shot. Believe me. Yet I think hyperbole, at times |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
70. Because the fundamentals of the economy seem worse than in 1981-1982 |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #70 |
122. Houses in 1981-1982 were the most expensive compared to income they |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #122 |
270. I believe that was before they changed the way unemployment is counted |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
71. That's the paper economy. What about the real economy? |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:53 AM Response to Reply #71 |
90. They're unimportant and only things |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #71 |
121. Nothing in either category is as bad as the Depression. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 07:16 AM Response to Reply #121 |
251. Yet |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
72. A lot of those regulations have been ignored or watered down |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
73. I think one missing consideration |
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lligrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
74. Because Bush Has F***ed Up Everything He Has Ever Been |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:28 AM Response to Original message |
80. I worry that China will say time to pay up.... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #80 |
124. If U.S. demand dries up, they are hurt far more than us. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 02:15 AM Response to Reply #124 |
201. Why? There is plenty of demand to be found in China. |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:09 AM Response to Original message |
83. Because we're already living it, dipstick!!! |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #83 |
114. Okay, and which recession exactly is this one worse than? |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 01:56 AM Response to Reply #114 |
198. We cant know the depth of this recession yet, and we wont until |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:30 AM Response to Original message |
85. Reading the replies here, it's amazing how some cling to their images of impending doom. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #85 |
116. Thank you. That's one of about 10 intelligent posts in this thread. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 02:38 AM Response to Reply #85 |
205. Some people don't equate economic recession or depression with "doom" |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
88. prepare for the worst, hope for the best |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #88 |
118. How does screaming DOOOOOOM at the top of your lungs prepare us? |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:48 AM Response to Original message |
89. You know WHY? Read some HISTORY. |
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pingzing58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:46 AM Response to Reply #89 |
98. Exactly. Thou shalt not creat a privileged class with tax cuts. It eliminates the middle class and |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #89 |
111. I am a history and economics major. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #111 |
169. LMAO. You accuse others of simplifying history? |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:15 AM Response to Reply #169 |
221. My point was he said the US was going to end. |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:30 AM Response to Reply #221 |
231. Maybe you misunderstood his point. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:32 AM Response to Reply #231 |
233. Well, I stand by my point regardless of what he meant. |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:38 AM Response to Reply #233 |
236. And I understand your point of view. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #233 |
278. China might have something to say about that. |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #111 |
171. France, Russia, Spain, and Portugal Gave Up Their Empires |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 01:04 AM Response to Reply #111 |
184. bumps in the road? this is your history? Those bumps were people starving to death, freezing |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:14 AM Response to Reply #184 |
220. My point was the poster said that America was going to end. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
91. Whether there will be 25% unemployment and mass displacement is up in the air... |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
95. FDR tried to make some things recession proof |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
97. The Dow didn't recover from the 1929 crash until @ 1955 according to this |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #97 |
107. Fairly flat from 55 to 75 |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. That's selective in your date choosing. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 07:07 AM Response to Reply #109 |
250. AFAIK the peak year for American wages was 1973 |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #97 |
108. When you have that long of a time horizon you miss a lot. |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:42 AM Response to Reply #108 |
237. Tell that to the people that lived through the next few years after that. |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #97 |
172. IT Was Largely Responsible for The Growth In Stocks |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #172 |
176. Certainly the technological revolution played a huge role. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
99. I think just the opposite |
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newportdadde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
103. Your comments about the Fed made me chuckle. The only thing the DOW is up against is the dollar. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #103 |
113. Not a big surprise the stock market has been flat since 2001. |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
104. As long as the energy is cheap, we're fine |
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Strawman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
105. Nope. Our standard of living will continue to erode much like our civil liberties |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
106. I'm sure both have a Rapture Ready meter just about to pop... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #106 |
127. You're absolutely right. |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
110. Banks ARE failing, no jobs, no manufacturing, debt of approx 20 trillion, 108 million foreclosures |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. Almost everything you just stated is false. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #112 |
134. Quote from you: "only a few tiny banks have failed...happens every year." |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #134 |
150. What is wrong with that statement? |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:37 PM Response to Reply #112 |
136. #1- Secy of Treasury Paulson made announcement on CSpan this afternoon. 108 million mortgages |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #136 |
138. #2 Lists of Bank Failures: |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #138 |
141. #3 check Soros statement, see Citigroup recession forecast |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #141 |
162. Goddammit! Did you read my damn post? |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 12:48 AM Response to Reply #162 |
181. well Citigroup predicts a long "recession" - I gather you think your psychic prediction is better . |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 01:09 AM Response to Reply #162 |
186. None of them have had morons in the WH or such a differential between the |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #138 |
153. Those aren't truly major institutions if you look into it at all. |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #153 |
179. Really? Countrywide, Citigroup Small potatoes? whether they were |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #136 |
143. you need to clean the wax out of your ears. Paulson said 1.8 million, not 108 million |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #143 |
145. Here's what Paulson said |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #136 |
151. I am not going to be politic anymore. You're a moron. |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #151 |
182. Mr. Arrogant - how many people do you think can pay those |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:13 AM Response to Reply #182 |
218. Even so, as other posters have stated, the figure is 1.8 million. |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 02:16 AM Response to Reply #151 |
202. Zynx, once you start calling names, you've lost all credibility - just |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:11 AM Response to Reply #202 |
217. I have not been treated with respect by a lot of these people. |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:59 AM Response to Reply #217 |
245. You don't have the "right" to humiliate anybody Zynx. |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 01:06 AM Response to Reply #112 |
185. sure, if you say so. nt |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:25 AM Response to Reply #185 |
228. I do. |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 01:12 AM Response to Reply #112 |
188. Quite frankly, you're wrong. Do you ever read a newspaper other |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:24 AM Response to Reply #188 |
227. *Lifts head up from pig trough* What? |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #227 |
271. Now THAT header is funny. Lol - the WSJ |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:52 AM Response to Reply #112 |
242. Delete. |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
115. Bookmark this thread. Repost it in six months. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. I rather doubt we'll have 25% unemployment in six months. |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. So you're going to do it? nt |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #119 |
125. Absolutely. |
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SlowDownFast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #125 |
282. Trust me. You won't HAVE any "significant money" to pay up. n/t |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 01:22 AM Response to Reply #117 |
191. Helllooooo? Statistics: 5% unemployment December 2007 |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:09 AM Response to Reply #191 |
216. Ummm..yeah. That's my point. |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 04:00 AM Response to Reply #191 |
246. That's if you actually believe the fiction the BLS feeds us every month. |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
128. You sure are optomistic. Take a look around you? YOur neighbors still have houses? |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. Both locations I live in are fine. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #129 |
284. Killing 1000 innocent people for no reason DOES make a man a Hitler, at least in a moral sense. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
131. The $10,000,000,000,000.00 debt? |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #131 |
155. Certainly a problem, not a disaster though. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #155 |
164. Nah. You're right. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #164 |
166. I think we need to balance the budget from here on in. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:11 AM Response to Reply #166 |
258. 19% of our taxes go to pay interest on the National Debt. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
135. as long as the rich capitalists continue to have "free" resources to exploit |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #135 |
146. Yes. the deregulation allowed "extreme" capitalism , like a person who |
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SlowDownFast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
137. You deserve whatever uncomfortableness this crisis brings your way. |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #137 |
144. Now, now - just to prepare people to put themselves in a safer position |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #144 |
149. I think the amazing thing will be how well we survive this compared to what people say. |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 01:35 AM Response to Reply #149 |
194. Semantics. Wordplay. Recession, correction, adjustment, |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:30 AM Response to Reply #194 |
230. I said we'll have a recession. What part of that don't you get? |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 02:07 AM Response to Reply #149 |
199. Paulson uses the words "unprecedented" meaning |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:31 AM Response to Reply #199 |
232. China undermining our economy helps them....how? |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #232 |
272. Zynzx, they are doing it. They own us. They are buying |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #137 |
148. Did you know I gave a speech in my school against the war in Iraq in 2002? |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #148 |
195. AND - that makes you |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:19 AM Response to Reply #195 |
224. My point is that I don't have to take these charges about being a Bush toadie lying down. |
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SlowDownFast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #148 |
279. If you know so much about economics |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
152. I agree that a "great depression" is NOT coming. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #152 |
154. I never said anything else. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #154 |
156. What do you make of the trade deficit? |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #156 |
159. Regarding the stock market, it is not overvalued by any historical measures. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #159 |
163. We will disagree about the stock market. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #163 |
165. On a valuation basis I couldn't justify 14,000 at this time. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
157. For all of you who have decided to result to lies and personal attacks: |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #157 |
158. I would argue that a weak dollar is a problem as... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #158 |
160. Over time a weak dollar will reduce the trade deficit. |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #160 |
170. Here's The Bottom Line: We're In A Major Long Term Economic Correction |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #170 |
173. Stock prices are not overvalued. |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 02:13 AM Response to Reply #170 |
200. One economist (tv) announced today housing prices to fall 75% of appraised value....if |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 02:46 AM Response to Reply #200 |
209. That's a huge if. So houses will fall to 1980s type values? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
175. Those who study history know that the stock exchange is |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #175 |
178. I have a history degree as well and have studied financial markets for my entire life. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 01:16 AM Response to Reply #178 |
189. Maybe that's the problem. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 02:38 AM Response to Reply #189 |
206. It is taken into consideration. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 02:54 AM Response to Reply #206 |
210. I haven't cited stock market numbers. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 02:58 AM Response to Reply #210 |
212. I didn't say anything like you suggest. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:13 AM Response to Reply #212 |
219. To me, the decimation of an entire class of people is tantamount to a Depression. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:17 AM Response to Reply #219 |
222. That's an entirely different discussion. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:21 AM Response to Reply #222 |
225. Fair enough, but this is a political and social board. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:29 AM Response to Reply #225 |
229. I'm sorry, but what I am referring to is how people are calling for bread lines |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:38 AM Response to Reply #229 |
235. I suspect that the truth of what will happen... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:45 AM Response to Reply #235 |
240. I don't think my outlook is exactly sunny. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 07:27 AM Response to Reply #240 |
252. If we get off that easy, I'll be counting our blessings. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #252 |
266. In really bad areas it is already in double digits |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 01:39 AM Response to Reply #178 |
196. let me give you two more scary parallels |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 02:35 AM Response to Reply #196 |
204. I could find all kinds of parallels between 2001 and the Great Depression. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #204 |
265. As I said, the parallels are there |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
177. Fear and dispair sell. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #177 |
180. Maybe. But they don't make people want to buy. (no text) |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 04:53 AM Response to Reply #180 |
248. Yes they do, consumerism is based upon a negative feed back loop. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 02:55 AM Response to Original message |
211. By the way, for all those who assume I am some well-oiled capitalist who |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:42 AM Response to Reply #211 |
238. I didn't say that, but your conclusions seem very much investor-skewed. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:59 AM Response to Reply #238 |
244. Part of it could be that I don't believe the stock market is our enemy. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:16 AM Response to Reply #244 |
249. Well, it certainly requires less of an investment... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #249 |
261. Sure. However, I am speaking in the general sense. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #244 |
259. I do believe that the stock market is our enemy. One of our enemies, anyway. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #259 |
260. The Bush stock market has been one of the worst on record. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #260 |
262. Most big companies *are* fundamentally unhealthy. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #262 |
263. My point was that investor dissatisfaction is usually driven by the fact that |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #263 |
264. Uh-huh. My point was that investors' desire for dividends... |
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zeos3 (912 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:50 AM Response to Reply #211 |
241. Sorry about all the heat you've drawn |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 03:54 AM Response to Reply #241 |
243. I thank you for your understanding. |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #211 |
267. Sadly, a lot of people assume if you use logic and truth you hate their emotional attachments |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 04:12 AM Response to Original message |
247. I've been hearing about another Great Depression for 35 years. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #247 |
254. But now the oil really is starting to run out... |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
256. The US delegation was laughed out of Davos. |
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halobeam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #256 |
268. where have I been? we were? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #268 |
269. I'll see if I can find it. Fascinating inside the NYT article. |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #269 |
274. YES!!! Everybody in America knows that, except the guvmint who believes |
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halobeam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #269 |
277. Excellent, thank you! |
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SlowDownFast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #269 |
283. Thanks, Warpy. |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #256 |
273. That's because this is the first time Rice went. n/t |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
257. I've believed that for years. But then, I'm always waiting for the other shoe to drop. nt |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #257 |
275. Maybe this economist is the final word - for this thread anyway |
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RedCappedBandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
276. Come back to us when.. |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
285. you skate around the point re the stock market |
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