FYI - I was not behind this...

[lala_rawraw]

Just FYI, apparently something was posted here (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2644525&mesg_id=2644525) that Larry Johnson responded to at his blog (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/23/more-on-the-sibel-edmonds-case/#more-1383). People are now claiming I was somehow behind his response (read the comments).

That is not the case. My understanding is that Mr. Johnson read the entry - as had others - and was responding. His blog entry took me by surprise, but it is his blog and I have no control over what he writes and frankly, he has a right to say whatever he wants. But just for the record, I had nothing to do with his blog entry, nor did I publicly even respond to the original entry here on DU. I feel that this story is important and that it lowers the discourse and causes distractions from what we are all supposed to be doing: fighting for the same thing. Now, whatever reasons people might have for that initial entry, I do not know, nor do I care to know in any public setting. Nor do I want to get into a fight over something I did not do or say or what people think I may have done or said. There are private avenues to addressing those issues and I think it best that people resolve their differences privately. Non of us look good when we begin to blame one another, regardless how justified we might feel, in a public setting. I believe Ms. Edmonds is credible in her allegations. I have never said anything to the contrary. Let's not allow passions to overtake reason. Again, we are all on the same side. Let's act like it. Let's keep the focus on the story and not be distracted.

[Truth2Tell]

1. No Quarter doesn't seem to be working for me? Anyone else? nt

[lala_rawraw]

2. Oh well... no worries...

let's just move past the petty stuff and stick to working on the same side.

[cascadiance]

3. Larisa, if you can talk to Larry, you might want to tell him that his web servers are messed up...

... on this blog server. It's not sending the right "mime types" with the pages it is sending to people's browser, so that instead of trying to load it into the browser window, the browser is confused and tries to save into a file instead. Thought my Mac browsers (Camino and Safari) were limited at home on this, but my Windows Firefox browser at work has the same problem.

[lala_rawraw]

4. okay...

will leave him a msg at his blog about it or you can also:) what is MIME?

[cascadiance]

5. It's techie talk that basically means the "type" of content sent by the web server...

MIME or "Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions" is a way of packaging some data to be viewed as a certain kind of document (aka a jpeg or gif image, or a PDF document, or a text document, or an HTML document). There are a lot of different types that don't merit discussion in a non-technical forum, but suffice it to say it is how your mail reader software tells what kind of attachment you have to launch the proper application to read it (ie. MS word for a word document). Similarly a web site says to a browser what MIME type the content it sends afterward is, which is saying if it is an HTML document, which the browser will display as HTML, a gif image, which it will display in a given area as a gif image, or some other document like acrobat, which will launch either an external Acrobat reader or a browser window with the browser acrobat reader loading that content.

All of our browsers are confused with Larry's site, as it is sending a "type" that most browsers don't know what it is. This is due to some misconfiguration of their web servers. That might be an IT mess-up, or perhaps even a hacker breaking in to their servers screwed it up, which given what you are saying and what he might be saying might very well have happened.

[Junkdrawer]

6. No Quarter is back up, but the "More on the Sibel" story is gone...

It's still in the Google cache - kind of...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=no+quarter+usa+sibel&btnG=Search

[lala_rawraw]

7. no, still there...

apparently there are two new blog entries above it, which may why it is not noticeable.

[Junkdrawer]

8. Are you sure? I can't see it...

Perhaps it's in your cache...

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

9. Not There For Me Either. I Have No Idea What This Is Supposed To Be About.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

10. Same here.

Unless we're discussing 404 errors I have no idea what this is about.

[cascadiance]

11. Yup, I think it's been removed.

I'm getting a 404 error for the above link (note it says "Sorry. 404 Page Not Found"), indicating that the page for that URL is not there now. BTW, I can only get to his site on IE, not Mozilla browsers which have the other problems I mentioned earlier.

Larissa, if you want to save a personal copy of that thread from his site, I advise getting someone to save the cached version of what you have in your browser to save it off first. Once you've done that, hold the shift key down when you press the refresh button, which should try to refresh the page from Larry's site and not get it from your cache. That will have you see what we see. That or bring up a different browser (like Firefox if you're using IE) and try to load the page there, but then again, given the other problems, that might not work either.

[lala_rawraw]

14. scroll down, appears to be a server issue...

but you see the cached version and that is all i was saying in this post... just setting the record straight before people began to assume things that were not true.:)

[Junkdrawer]

12. They're now saying they lost the post - new server - "Please Be Patient"

Please Be Patient
By Larry Johnson on January 23, 2008 at 6:27 PM in Current Affairs

If you are seeing the word “test” below my picture and above Obama’s, then welcome to the new server. Problem is, we have lost a post I did and a post Susan did. Our miracle worker and friend, Moses, is trying to figure it out. Please be patient. Hopefully this new server will be faster. That was the goal.

LJ

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/23/please-be-patient-2/

[lala_rawraw]

13. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

Okay, well basically in a nutshell, Johnson saw the post here at DU and responded to it. I had nothing to do with the response is all I was trying to say. He read it on his own and responded on his own. Just wanted to be clear. :)

[orleans]

24. got it. clear as .. a bell? a clear day? windex? seltzer water? whatev..it's clear. no worries. n/t

[lala_rawraw]

26. yup:)

hey, you never know. i just saw the comments there and people were attacking me as though i was involved in it or something. i had nothing to do with the post here two weeks ago, never responded to it and i had nothing to do with the post there. i don't want to be the story. i want the story to be the story. that is all i am saying:)

[cascadiance]

16. Hmm... A new server being configured... That probably explains Firefox problems too...

Hopefully ultimately they'll get things fixed. I'll go look at other stuff for the time being.

[ajeffersonian]

15. Why did you post this?

Larisa, if you are as innocent as you want us to believe, why even bother posting this? Whatever Mr. Johnson had on his site was there, and doesn't need to be here. Interested parties can view it there, and respond to it there.

It seems that you just want attention, and thats sad, because that isn't what this site should be about.

Just do your own work, post whatever you like based on your own work, and everything should be just fine. Now run along and let serious folks discuss serious issues without the "soap opera".

[Truth2Tell]

19. For the record, I'm interested. nt

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[lala_rawraw]

25. if you go to Johnson's post...

frankly, if you go to Brad Blogs post of two weeks ago, you will see this guy posting the same bs about me there using the same name... boy he gets around. too bad that what he mostly posted was that I was somehow protecting the zionists.

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[lala_rawraw]

35. that is just the thing...

I get this feeling that people want us fighting.

[H2O Man]

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[ajeffersonian]

33. No intention of being a decider

Larry Johnson posted a very harsh message on No Quarter accusing Sibel Edmonds of "attacking" Larisa on DU, and Larisa, contrary to what she says here, joined in with her "I'm so innocent" routine, just as she's done here. She (Larisa) does damage to discussion of this very serious issue, whether she intends to or not. So all I'm asking her to do is quit it, enough is enough. If that offends you, I apologize.

[lala_rawraw]

34. i see...

someone posts a thread claiming things about me here and I say nothing about it... then two weeks later, someone else responds to it, and i finally respond and I am doing an innocent routine? who the hell are you? you don't know what the hell you are talking about and you seem to think that you do. so i have to ask you who you think you are? what offends me is not that you are posting this crap, but that you think you have an opinion on something you have no knowledge of.

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[lala_rawraw]

22. Because you and others

were posting in his comments that I had something to do with this.

[fascisthunter]

27. tombstone time

[lala_rawraw]

29. :)

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[fascisthunter]

17. link for NoQuarter Doesn't Work for Me Neither

also, why was lukery's thread locked?

[Junkdrawer]

18. lukery's thread is two weeks old - it's archived...

About 20 pages of threads are kept current. And before the GD - GDP split, that happened pretty fast...

[fascisthunter]

20. Ok... Cool. I'm Glad to Hear That

[lala_rawraw]

23. yeah, so not sure why

Johnson posted his thing now... in any case, I did not respond to Lukery's thread and I don't plan to. I am only responding to this because of the comments left at Johnson's blog. I wanted it to be clear that I had nothing to do with him posting his response to the DU thread. I did not even know about it until it was up for several hours.

[lala_rawraw]

28. i don't know...

but i don't want to discuss the thread other than providing the context for Johnson's post. i think that whatever issues people have between them, best to keep them in private and allow the story to be the story. so i never responded and I don't know why it was locked. maybe it got really long? i don't know frankly.

[fascisthunter]

30. It's All Good lala... Jundrawer Said It's Because the thread

was two weeks old. I'm kinda new here so I didn't know.

[lala_rawraw]

31. hell i have been here for years

and I still don't know why and how stuff happens.

[Steven_S]

38. lala, I'm confused...

It seems the beef is with Rasti when he accuses you of tampering with Sibel's gallery, http://rastibini.blogspot.com/2008/01/poisoning-sibel-edmonds.html

but then the link to the gallery http://www.justacitizen.com/images/Gallery%20Draft2%20for%20Web.htm shows that Lantos is there and Kissinger isn't.

Is there more to this? I'm sure we can all get past this, whatever it is. :) :pals:

[lala_rawraw]

39. Rast

Also accuses me of being part of the Zionist conspiracy. So no, it is not that simple. What basically happened was that - as everyone here knows - I was showing my support for Sibel by writing up my notes to go along with her gallery. I explained very clearly that they were my notes, that I was not representing anything or anyone but my notes and that I was sharing the other pieces I had to help people keep digging. I simply did not have Lantos on my list and I specifically said, that I am not saying that he is or is not involved. I simply don't have anything on him in my notes. So I did not feel like I could include him. I also said that I had Kissinger - again, from only my own stuff, not putting words in anyone's mouth - in my notes and other things like Gray Wolves ,etc. Then people starting screaming that I was scrubbing "Sibel's list." So, to clarify the point, I posted a clarification saying everything I just said now, again, and over and over. Explaining that I did not remove him because he is Jewish (Feith and Perle and Grossman are on the list, so those claims being made were retarded) and I did not include Kissinger and the Gray Wolves to in any way distort her list. I included those pieces to help people further dig. For some reason, this did not work either. People like this Jefforsonian guy and others went around claiming all sorts of things. What was even more bizarre was that DU post that I linked to in the OT. So, I removed all of my posts relating to this from my blog and simply provided a link to the gallery. I just figured I was obviously creating a distraction for the Jew haters to walk into and take over the story for their own volley game. So I removed everything and simply linked to the gallery and made no public comment about that DU post.

Johnson apparently read that DU post today or maybe earlier, I don't know, and wrote something about it on his blog. I heard about this when someone I know rang me up and said did you see what is going on over at Larry Johnson's site? So I went over, saw his post, but then in the comments, people were blaming me for his post, as though I had something to do with it. It got to the point where I could no longer keep quiet, so I posted the above in hopes that we could all focus on the important story Sibel has to tell and stop making her and me a distraction. Obviously, there was some sort of miscommunication and I frankly am fine with simply letting it go, but having been entirely silent while these people basically inserted themselves in to create a drama where there was none was at a point where I wanted to say, hey, let's stop and just all take a step back... we are all on the same side.

Apparently, when I posted this, something was going on with Johhnson's servers, so all of the comments were lost and this makes no sense now without that context. But I was simply trying to say, enough with this stuff... I am not the story, don't want to be the story and don't know why the hell I became the story. Let's just move on from this and focus on the actual story. As you can see, Jefforsonian showed up to once again blame me for simply having had enough of this crap from him and people like him.

Now, I have said this before and I will say it again, these people are latching on to this situation to clearly try to attack me and also to discredit Edmonds. So, let's just focus on the story, not me, not what anyone else is posting for reasons that make all of us look like we are insane. That is the short version of it. Now that those comments are gone, my post here looks idiotic. :(

[bleever]

41. Sorry, but

the standard for looking like an idiot has been set way, way too high for you to even come close.

:)

Onward and upward.

[lala_rawraw]

45. hey, a girls has to try

[cascadiance]

42. That's the sad part of this story. One can get "distracted" into other battles so easily!!

Between the "Zionist"/AIPAC battles that dominate so many other forums that have lead to unproductive and often destructive interaction, there's also the Turkish/Armenian angles that one can get drug into the same way when talking about the Hastert bribery situation.

Larisa, I respect you for trying to stay professional about this. I also have a lot of problems with the "AIPAC influence" that has lead to things like DU censoring certain web sites in ways that sometimes hurts healthy discussion, and affects many we deal with in congress, etc. too. At the same time, there's also the overreaction that happens on the other side too, where we see a conspiracy in every corner, and I think Larisa's been a bit victimized by that too. I trust she can defend her own views on this and why she doesn't have Lantos on her list, and why she's added Kissinger (that doesn't seem to be Zionist to me that she's adding him BTW). At the same time, I'm speculating that Sibel has some knowledge that has her have strong feelings on where wrongdoing is happening too.

I have similar problems having lived a good portion of my youth in Turkey in interactions with an Armenian officemate of mine, who's a great guy but sometimes we tend to get distracted into more of the older "genocide" discussions rather than what I feel is the more topical and important issues here that Sibel wishes to bring to our attention now. On the other hand, having that genocide angle generates interest in that community, and allows us to get more information from both sides of that discussion that could shed more light on what's going on in this current conspiracy we have now, so it is a mixed bag we need to deal with.

All I ask of everyone is that though it is healthy to remain skeptical at times, let's not jump to conclusions that people like Larisa have ill will or an ulterior evil agenda at the base of their having slightly different views/conclusions than we might. We have no evidence for that, and a LOT of evidence that she's working hard for us every day!

This story is still a helluva mystery, and a very important one that this administration has done everything in its power to keep quiet. Patience and dedication to follow it through is important, and we shouldn't be divided on petty issues. Those that wish to distract us, whether it's to keep us from constructively deconstructing this conspiracy, or to fuel their own agendas in other fights they might have, will seize on anything they can to move us away from trying to follow through to get to the truth of this story.

Let's all remember that I think most of us here want the same thing, whether we have slight disagreements along the way. That is for the truth to come out, and for us to correct the corruption cancers that has done so much damage to our country and many of what we may consider friendly governments to us. We're dealing with some very deep and long festering infections here. It will take some time for us to unravel the mess.

I for one thank Luke, Brad, Sibel, and Larisa all here for their dedicated contributions to helping us with this. And Larry Johnson as well for his efforts too.

[lala_rawraw]

48. That is the most sane

Thing I have read in a while. We are all on the same side. This kind of infighting does none of us any good. I too thank Luke, Sibel, Brad, Giraldi, London Times, Larry, and everyone else. I think whatever else, no one was acting in bad faith, but simply fell into a misunderstanding. That misunderstanding may in time work itself out or it may not, but I don't think anyone was acting in bad faith and that is the most important point at the end of the day.

[NashVegas]

44. Well, Seeing As Though You Brought It Up ..

Are the accusation true? If so, why did you make those changes to the story?

[lala_rawraw]

46. what story?

have you read what i wrote above? there was no story... scroll up

[NashVegas]

49. Ah

I imagine, in the future, you'll think twice about publishing unfinished / unconfirmed work under your name and be the committed, professional journalist many DUers know you to be.

[lala_rawraw]

50. what do you mean?

it was a blogy entry on my blog where i said I was sharing my notes... i don't understand what the fuss is all about, but if people mistook that for an article, that is unfortunate, since it was written with the words: these are my notes... i do not speak for anyone other than myself... and so forth."

that said, you are right, clearly sharing notes in hopes of furthering an investigation was probably a bad idea because people like took it to mean something it was not, no matter how many caveats i inserted. so yes, i think we can all say i have learned my lesson and I thank you for your advice:)

[lala_rawraw]

51. man, my idiot meter is really not working tonight...

i did not realize who i was responding to. sorry about that... me > stupido:D

[NashVegas]

53. Hmmph

That could be taken so many ways, I've PO'd my share today.

Peace.

[lala_rawraw]

54. ah, but i may have a good reason...

it is raining and that causes my joints to swell, which forces me into bed and i have to pack to go on assignment...

[JackBeck]

47. See post #39. n/t

[lala_rawraw]

52. stuff like this...

how much do you want to bet that this comment was left by this Jefforsonian person? I am cutting and pasting from the comments at Johnson's blog:

"Comment by Longtime DUer | 2008-01-23 21:54:03

I think it’s past time that people took a closer look at LA and Raw Story. At the very least, they are self-promoting sensationalists who immediately started bombarding DU upon joining (Byrne, especially). I always wondered where he got the start-up money."


Okay, I give up, John was selling drugs and I was working as a hooker that is how we got the startup money.

[bleever]

55. Wow!

That's a whole lotta implied slander packed into a "simple request for facts"!

:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:

That's the way it's done, if you're gonna do that kind of stuff.

[lala_rawraw]

56. I talked to Sibel

And I feel comfortable that she was not remotely behind this. It appears to be a misunderstanding times a thousand. One misunderstanding leading to millions of others until something gives. I think we all agree that the story is what is important. I continue to support her work and I am glad that this nonsense is not supported by either of us. So, we are indeed all on the same side, which begs the question, just who the hell are the people posting that crap and why are we being targeted? Anyway, I feel much better about the whole thing and I am finally going to bed. Ta DA!