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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:22 PM
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Growth and monetary value are life destroying concepts
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 01:22 PM by undergroundpanther


"If monetary value is attached to something it will be exploited until it's gone. That's what happens when you convert living beings to cash. That conversion, from living forests to lumber, schools of cod to fish sticks, and onward to numbers on a ledger, is the central process of our economic system." Derrick Jensen

"Faith in trickle-down is a bit like feeding racehorses superior oats so that starving sparrows can forage in their dung."John Kenneth Galbraith

Our economy and our numbers (as in births) and our consuming must stop growing bigger.Our civilization has become a cancer,and there is not enough resources left in this earth to keep it propped up forever. The myth of faster growth as an imperative is killing everything,and conversion of resources into money and profits..This is destroying life.The 2 cherished and truly vulgar beliefs that make humanity into a cancer..vulgarity is not simply any crude or coarse action; rather, “an action is vulgar when it is at once ignorant, harmful, and popular.”


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7078857.stm
It's not just the economy..affecting us, this sick growth imperative effects everything else too.Civilization's demands for growth is killing our planet. So what is the solution to this before? A cycle of endless war which in effect is to start wars to cull people to make room to grow. Now wars don't stop the growth anymore..

http://rgrudin.googlepages.com/pressrelease
http://www.infochangeindia.org/analysis163.jsp
Some see space for more growth after natural disasters
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/books/review/Stiglitz-t.html

Even chickens cannot take the market's demands for them to grow faster..
http://www.cok.net/magazine/16/02.php

Other animals can't keep up with demand either
http://www.uta.edu/huma/agger/fastcapitalism/2_2/best.html

capitalism destroys everything
http://www.briankaneonline.com/2008/01/17/capitalism-destroys-everything/

John Maynard Keynes was one of the few economists who could diagnose accurately the potentially fatal economic ailments of the Great Depression which gripped the Western world in the 1930s. It was the acceptance of his recommendations of active government intervention – through large amounts of public spending – that saved capitalism from almost certain destruction. Had prevailing free market orthodoxy been accepted, it is unlikely that the system would have survived.

http://www.infochangeindia.org/analysis163.jsp
Post corporate world
http://www.pcdf.org/post-corporate.htm
If the greatest weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed, then perhaps the greatest victory for the corporate class has been the general acceptance among the masses of the inevitability of capitalism as the only viable system for running the world.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3849/is_199907/ai_n8853247


http://www.opsound.org/info/free/
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:29 PM
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1. Necroeconomics - profit from death.
Whether it's the death of a tree, the death of whales, or the death of human beings ... profiteering from death and suffering (medical "care") has become a plague. What was once regarded as "untouchable" is now applauded.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:40 PM
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2. yep
I hope people can wake up soon and realize what is happening before it's too late.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:16 PM
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8. How right you are.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 02:03 PM
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3. infinite growth on a finite planet is impossible . . . always has been . . .
yet the entire world economy is based on just that premise -- with disastrous results for the earth and all species that share it . . . particularly humans . . .
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 02:10 PM
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4. k and r
for Galbraith, the best damn economist EVER!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 02:23 PM
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5. "They know the price of everything and value of nothing." Oscar Wilde
Yet they are honored, lionized, and held up as examples of "success". They're lauded for their "toughness" and "pragmatism". They are the paragons of practicality who excuse their murders with a shrug of knowing dismissiveness at those who protest their depredations as naive.

They are monsters.

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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:10 PM
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6. psychopathic monsters
who wear a mask of sanity and know how to hide what they are from others and hoodwink people with lies that feel good but really are not good for anything.

Who defined success to humanity it wasn't the tribal people who are being decimated, Nor the peasants or workers, it was the ruling class that everyone is taught they must emulate and envy,an obedience to a senseless lie passed from parent to child,a lie so subtle that says you are inadequate as you are,so go out and fight and succeed and become SOMEBODY ,a bigger fish than your own father and mother were,make the family line proud. And so the motives are twisted in a child..and greed becomes good.And so we grow up geared for accepting a career and never really live..And we go through life as if we are not somebody already and forget we are by birth worthy of love from the beginning... Why do the successful corrupt others lives around themselves with this status discontent borne by this illusion of success and growth imperative on a finite planet?
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:15 PM
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7. Snakes-in-suits.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:17 PM
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9. And it is sanctified in our public schools, complete with Junior Jaycees, in-school banks, fund-
raisers, not to mention Social Studies classes.
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