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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:38 PM
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UK Times: Official Documents Prove FBI lied to protect US officials
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 08:49 PM by lukery
The UK's Sunday Times has another explosive article out tonight.

THE FBI has been accused of covering up a key case file detailing evidence against corrupt government officials and their dealings with a network stealing nuclear secrets.


The Times has obtained official documents which prove that the FBI is lying about the existence of a counterintelligence operation targeting high-level US officials and Turkish operatives.

The FBI's comments demonstrate conclusively that either:
a) They are lying, or
b) They have destroyed the evidence of this multi-year investigation concerning the corruption of high-level US officials, the nuclear black market, money laundering and narcotics trafficking.

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The revelations in the Times are also the first known incident where official FBI documents have been leaked to the press confirming the FBI's counterintelligence operations targeting Turkish operatives in US. According to the Times, these operations have been taking place since 1996.

Destruction of Evidence?
The Times has obtained an official FBI document which confirms the existence of the Turkish counter-intelligence operation, including the official Case Number of the operation. This case number, 203A-WF-210023, has been very tightly held because it directly ties the Turkish operation to specific documents and wiretaps which can then be used as evidence.

The FBI has, till recently, been very careful not to respond to any requests that might disclose, confirm or deny any information in this matter, however:
...the FBI responded to a freedom of information request for a file of exactly the same number by claiming that it did not exist. But The Sunday Times has obtained a document signed by an FBI official showing the existence of the file.


With the FBI claiming that these documents don't exist, we must conclude either that they are demonstrably lying, or that they have destroyed all the evidence.

Unfortunately for the FBI, we are aware of at least two other cases where this operation was referenced, and those references were documented outside the FBI. The first case was that of former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds; her case was reported by the Justice Department's Inspector General, as well as the Senate Judiciary Committee, and the second case was that of former FBI Special Agent Gilbert Graham, whose cases was also documented in Congress and by the Inspector General.

If the FBI is telling the truth that these documents do not (currently) exist, then the FBI must have destroyed them. Did they destroy ALL the copies that existed? Did the FBI retrieve ALL the copies and references seen by the Senate Judiciary Committee, the Inspector General's report which was seen by Henry Waxman's office and perhaps elsewhere? How far did they go to retrieve the evidence? We do know that in May 2004, two years after the Senate Judiciary Committee held unclassified hearings into Sibel's case, the Department of Justice retroactively classified details of those hearings. Did the DoJ destroy all the evidence, and all the case files, at the same time?

We also know that at least one other FBI Special Agent filed classified protected reports in early 2002. Special Agent Gilbert Graham, one of Sibel's bosses, worked on "counterintelligence investigations involved espionage activities by Turkish officials and agents in the United States." Graham's primary concern, according to the unclassified version of his filings was that the FBI was using phony FISA warrants to spy on "high-profile U.S. public officials."

Gilbert Graham's filings with the Inspector General, as well as his evidence to the Senate Judiciary Committee certainly contained the relevant Case Numbers that the FBI is now denying exists. Were all of Graham's reports destroyed too?

For years, Sibel has challenged US officials: ( youtube):
"We have the facts, we have the documents, we have the witnesses. Put out the tapes, put out the documents, put out the intercepts. Put out the truth."


The FBI is apparently still obstructing justice, and still blocking the truth from coming out.

Asked for a comment, Sibel said:
"I cannot comment on the contents of the case file, however I can tell you with 100% certainty that the FBI lied when they said that it doesn't exist."


The FBI/DoJ is currently investigating the CIA's destruction of evidence, the torture/interrogation tapes of al-Qa'ida suspect Abu Zubaydah and others. If they have destroyed all the evidence in this Turkish Counter-Intelligence operation, how can they possibly be trusted to investigate the CIA's destruction of evidence?


Brewster Jennings
The official document obtained by The Times has some very damning evidence regarding Marc Grossman, former #3 at the State Department and former Ambassador to Turkey. Two weeks ago, The Times ran an explosive article detailing how Marc Grossman was a mole for foreign criminal groups which stole American nuclear secrets and sold them to the highest bidder.

According to the latest Times article, they have an anonymous letter which:
claims the government official warned a Turkish member of the network that they should not deal with a company called Brewster Jennings because it was a CIA front company investigating the nuclear black market. The official’s warning came two years before Brewster Jennings was publicly outed when one of its staff, Valerie Plame, was revealed to be a CIA agent in a case that became a cause célèbre in the US.


Former CIA agent Phil Giraldi, who was stationed in Turkey, is another who is familiar with these matters. Giraldi wrote a terrific article for the American Conservative in 2006 describing Sibel's case. In Kill The Messenger, a documentary about the nuclear black market element of Sibel case, Giraldi says:
"And that Brewster Jennings was, apparently, working against the target of Turkey, meaning that Turkey was being investigated by the CIA as a proliferator of weapons."


One of Brewster Jennings targets was the American Turkish Council, a lobbying group known to be a hub of the activity facilitating the theft and sale of nuclear secrets, among other things.

Journalist Chris Deliso wrote a terrific article in Nov 2005 linking Marc Grossman, Brewster Jennings, the American Turkish Council and the Turkish connection to the nuclear black market. Although the new Times article doesn't mention Grossman by name, it is clear that Grossman is again the unnamed former official in this article.

Crimes, Cover-ups, and... Consequences?
We are all familiar with the cliche that 'the cover-up is worse than the crime,' but that is often nonsense. Just as in the CIA tape destruction case, here we have rational people making 'rational' decisions, not in the heat of the moment, to commit felonies by destroying evidence of treason amongst other crimes. The original crimes are much worse than the cover-up, and the guilty parties know it, that's why they decided to destroy and cover up all of the evidence.

Will Congress finally hold hearings into the foreign criminal penetration of every branch of the US government which has been repeatedly corroborated?

We have the crimes, we have the cover-ups, where are the consequences?

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(cross-posted at Let Sibel Edmonds Speak)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:44 PM
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1. Great article. K&R.
“This gag was invoked not to protect sensitive diplomatic relations but criminal activities involving US officials who were endangering US national security.”


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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:53 PM
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3. bingo
that's what we've been saying for YEARS!
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:51 PM
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2. Let's Show the MSM
Thank you Lukery.

We depend on our supporters and the online activist to take this further; as we all know we no longer have an independent MSM.

Let's continue the fight!

Sibel
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:00 PM
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25. We'll get to work.
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randyconspiracybuff Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:56 PM
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4. Under Freedom of Information...
...could the FBI have acknowledged the existence of the file, but claimed it contained classified information?
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:00 PM
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5. Your Answer
They could but they did NOT. Instead, they lied; on the record. They could have said, 'we cannot provide you with these documents due to national security, etc.'

I hope we'll see reaction from a few NGO!
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randyconspiracybuff Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:05 PM
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6. National Security Archives...
...should definitely get interested in this case.

Hopefully your phone will be ringing off the hooks for interviews here in the U.S. Maybe you could do them joint with Luke so he can say what you are prohibited from saying.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:08 PM
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8. NS Archives
They did the FOIA for Liberty Coalition. There are several others who should take this to courts. Hopefully they will.

Yes indeed:-)

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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #5
11. NGOs?
I hope we see some action from darn US MSM or Congress!
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randyconspiracybuff Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. Maybe This Will Wake Waxman from His
Death-like slumber.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #12
61. I doubt it
He's probably thinking he might get a package of white powder in his mail if he makes too many waves on this issue.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:06 PM
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7. Aschcroft that would be him and Gonzales
the FBI and the CIA and the Military all taken over by crooks and traitors
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. don't forget
Congress, Pentagon, and State too!
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ajeffersonian Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:11 PM
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10. Reaching the boiling point
Great post Lukery

It seems to me that this story is reaching a point at which it may explode. Hopefully into the MSM - and maybe into the halls of congress. We can at least hope so.
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randyconspiracybuff Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. Let's Hope It Boils and Steams
and gets the people outraged.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. Hopefully...
Good to see you here ajeffersonian.

US MSM: hard (f not impossible) to main optimism.
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ajeffersonian Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:34 PM
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22. Hope springs eternal
Glad to be part of this session - I keep repeating myself, but I do think that at some point one of the MSM will break their vow of silence and start to cover this. They can't all be part of such a conspiracy, can they? Or, then, maybe I'm just too naive - or too optimistic.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #22
48. The best chance of that happening is the McClatchy Chain of newspapers...n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #48
52. What makes you say that?
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. The McClatchy papers have been more independent in their investigation and reporting...
... and they are quite a bit smaller in size than other major publishers.

They have gone against the MSM Press meme in the past.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. They were almost alone reporting a lack of evidence to believe Saddam had wmds...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #54
56. I've been having difficulty with them.
That's why I asked. Their Washington desk has the first Times story.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:04 AM
Response to Reply #48
79. i wonder why they don't run anything on this? i thought they were
top notch and rather fearless...
maybe not, eh?
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kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #10
18. I hope it is reaching the boiling point -
I know I've reached mine.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #10
20. Boiling point
I know I'm at my boiling point, as are a few others here. Let's hope the story has reached the same point.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:19 PM
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14. Comment at Times website
You can go leave a comment over at the Times website, and thank them for their work on this story.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3216737.ece
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:35 PM
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23. Definitely will.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:24 PM
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16. why isn't this 'explosive' story in the New York Times
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randyconspiracybuff Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. Because It's Explosive :-)
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #17
92. That would be an understatement considering OUR US officials facilitated nuke proliferation.
I mean,...they intentionally conspired to spread nukes AND protect PROTECT those engaged in nuclear proliferation.

If that behavior doesn't qualify as treason, no behavior does.

It's incredible.

It's INSANE!!!

:wtf:
The most corrupt US officials and corporacrats keep endangering our security, arming extremists and emboldening 9/11-type activities while NEVER GETTING PINNED TO THE WALL for the most egregious crimes.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #16
24. darn NYT
maybe they'll run the story after the election.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:31 PM
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19. K&RRR, more obstruction of justice by the FBI...where will this lead? n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:33 PM
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21. hhhmmm.
Got to see what mileage we can get from this for sure.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:04 PM
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26. "how can they possibly be trusted to investigate the CIA's destruction of evidence?" INDEED!
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. And...
...the missing White House e-mails!
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kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. Well, now their excuse is that they can't find any evidence
that any emails are missing. I guess we're supposed to believe that they didn't send any emails for a year and a half.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. hopefully
hopefully that will be a 'hook' that the 'major' bloggers can use to get their tentacles into this case.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:08 PM
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28. K&R
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kenoma Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:13 PM
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31. Grossman's not worried...
... he knows how things work:

Marc Grossman, a former under secretary of state for political affairs and a former U.S. ambassador to Ankara, and Mark Parris, a former ambassador to Ankara, both said separately that regardless of who is elected the next U.S. president, he or she will appreciate Turkey's importance for Washington and act accordingly.


http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=93770

Ain't that the truth...
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. darn you kenoma!
that's the last thing i wanted to read tonight!
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kenoma Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. Sorry lukery!
and it's not meant to diminish the importance of the story. Just that people shouldn't expect any candidate or their backers to go near this story if they can avoid it. (Especially true of Clinton I imagine).
But that's also the power of the story; it shows what a farce this election is, of Britney-level significance compared to what's really going on behind closed doors.

great work as always, lukery.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:52 AM
Response to Reply #35
76. just kidding!
I know from Sibel's case that it's difficult to distinguish between one party and the other. THat's why there's no hearings.

and yep, HRC will probably be worse than the others - but when you look at the foreign advisors of all the campaigns there's not much reason for hope.

Amy Goodman did a terrific segment on this a few weeks ago.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:26 PM
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33. Fuck you, FBI. Just FUCK YOU. It's WE THE PEOPLE, you should be protecting.
Not some crooks in political positions which are jeopardizing our national security. GET YOUR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT!
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:50 AM
Response to Reply #33
78. And that goes for you too Agent Mike! n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:28 PM
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34. Usually when something breaks, it's the coverup that gets them.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:33 PM
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36. Q for Lukery? How far back in years does this go back? Which US Administrations? Thanks.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. 1996
SIbel's stuff - that is, the investigation that she worked on - specifically goes back to late 1996.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. To be more specific ... this has to 'pre-date' Sibel's observations, right? Do we know how far back?
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #41
45. depends how you define 'this'
The earliest SIbel went back was late 96 - and as far as i know, this particular CI investigation only went back that far.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. And as far as using terrorism, drug running, and such for clandestine
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #39
58. Excellent links!

I find the "caucasian al Qaeda" camps most troublesome because they have been allowed to operate openly, and these are the ones who could easily sneak into the US and explode nukes :tinfoilhat:
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:33 AM
Response to Reply #39
84. OK, I just read through Indira Singh's testimony in 2004....
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 07:34 AM by AntiFascist
O.M.F.G...when can we start talking about PROMIS on DU? This may be so relevant to the primary <ahem>.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #39
91. The corporate owned/controlled CIA has created even greater 'blowback' than ever.
Is it any wonder we're hated as fake defenders of democracy or human rights?

Is it?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:37 PM
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37. Outstanding post.
This is the most important essay that I have read on DU -- or anywhere else -- in some time.

Thank you.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. I have to agree with you .... but it leads me to believe that both Repubs & Dems were involved...
IF you take into account the big picture, there are two conclusions that appear to be unmistakable:
(1) Too many people in positions of power know about this for it to have been squelched like this without the cooperation of officials on both sides of the aisle; AND
(2) TimesOnline has a very limited amount of time to 'empty their files' by publishing everything before the strong US intelligence hammer comes down on them.

ONE more conclusion that is likely: ***** British Government Officials and Intelligence Service Personnel were and are involved in the operation and/or knew about it and kept it secret.

This is way too damning for the TimesOnline not to realize their only protection is to publish everything --Just like the Pentagon Papers.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. They are.
Look at Sibel's gallery. Also my post above about the use of terrorism.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. I don't have any links readily available, but I recall reading somewhere...
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 10:55 PM by Blackhatjack
Sibel stumbled onto the Turkish connection long after its inception, and in fact it began long before A Q Khan became the 'godfather of the bomb.'

THere was speculation that the US was playing both India and Pakistan off one another, and in fact the US was responsible for Pakistan getting the bomb to counter India's development of the bomb. But the US did not expect the bomb technology to be sold and transferred to other countries.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. Here's a link
to Sibel's gallery
http://www.justacitizen.com/images/Gallery%20Draft2%20for%20Web.htm

Also, check out the links in my post #39.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #44
49. the US was watching the network
It was the same people who were *building* pakistan's bomb as *selling* the bomb - and we know they were watching the *procurement* so they must have seen the *proliferation*
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:16 PM
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53. "watching" or "participating"??? Pakistan should not have gotten the bomb under any set of facts...
... and the US was the source of the technological information, whether it was 'stolen' or 'given.'

My question addresses the reason that the Courts went along with the 'gag' on Sibel. I can imagine that the secret evidence and argument made in Sibel's absence might have relied heavily on the Indian v. Pakistan v. US triangular diplomatic and intelligence relationships.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #53
57. nope
the courts went along with the gag because the Pentagon and State told them to - of course, the people at DoD and State were PERSONALLY GUILTY, that's why they imposed the SSP.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #57
63. You're right the Pentagon and State told them to --but they had to give Courts a plausible reason...
The Court went into secret session for just that purpose -- to hear a 'plausible' reason, no matter how untrue it was or ridiculous it might be under the bright lights of investigation. There were statements made which the Court used to justify the actions sought by the Government.

It would seem to me that the scenario I presented would fit that bill because it creates a national security issue better left resolved by the Government than a private citizen through a lawsuit.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:23 AM
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69. sibel says
sibel says 'we presume they lied' and 'even the judge said it was draconian'

sibel and her legal team were kicked out of court - so the govt could have said anything.

see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUt_gbRP3EA
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:30 AM
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71. I believe her --but Courts operate in a different way than the garden variety criminals...
Not every reason that a Court sites as the basis for its decision is valid, but you can bet that the Court is not going to issue any kind of decision that is not based on 'findings of fact' and 'conclusions of law.' Guaranteed.

The government had to meet a very low burden to 'convince' the Court to side with them, but even so there had to be a presentation that fit the above judicial requirements necessary to issue an opinion.

THis is true, even if the Court's opinion is classified. That is exactly how the FISA Court works, and this Court almost certainly worked the same way.

OF course it changes nothing about the unlawful gagging of Sibel.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:48 PM
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42. kind words
and they mean a lot coming from you H20 man.

thnx.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:59 PM
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47. K & R ...
Sibel continues to amaze me...she is a true patriot.

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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:10 PM
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50. amazing
She sure is.

We all owe her a major debt.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:10 PM
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51. If TimesOnline is smart, they have already 'shared' the info w/another media outlet outside G.B.
THis is getting way to close to too many officials who cannot explain their past behavior in light of these revelations. They are not going to fade away. They are going to use their influence to try and make this disappear into the ether.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:53 PM
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102. .
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:28 PM
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59. Wow, just wow!
I just received this article via Sibel's email list and just knew I'd find you posting it here as well lukery. How can the MSM possibly ignore this latest article from one of England's major newspapers?

Did I read this correctly? Grossman outed Plame's operation 2 years before the "official outing?" Holy moly! As Sibel once said, the 911 Commission knows all of the details so yes, prominent Dems are helping to keep this covered up. The justice department knows about it, the FBI knows about it. So many people know...they can't possibly keep this bombshell quiet. I am so glad there are people backing Sibel on these charges. Thank ALL of you who are involved in exposing these goddamned sons-a-bitches. I am so fucking pissed about this story and it's time we learn the TRUTH!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:36 PM
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60. With so many knowing in government,
it's kind of hard to know where to turn, isn't it?
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:03 AM
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64. Sibel says she was warned
She told her boss at FBI CI 'I'm going to congress' and he said 'who are you going to go?' You already know of four who are bought and paid for by the Turks. how many do you think are owned by the Chinese and the Saudis and whatnot?

See here
http://lukery.blogspot.com/2007/08/how-many-others.html
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:08 AM
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66. Oh yes. I remember.
It was this: "You already know of four who are bought and paid for by the Turks. how many do you think are owned by the Chinese and the Saudis and whatnot?" that was in my mind when I posted. I still hold out hope for someone honest enough and concerned enough.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:50 AM
Response to Reply #64
85. There were seven Congressmen pictured at Sibel's post:
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 08:09 AM by leveymg
http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2008/01/sibel-names-names-in-pictures.html

Let's take a look at the those named, and see how their Affiliations and Committees cross-reference:


1) Dennis Hastert - Ex-House Speaker (R-Il)(retired)

No real need to dig too far into why Denny is on this list. His bribe-taking from the Turks is widely-reported. Before becoming speaker, he was ranking member on the Appropriations Committee, a characteristic and career path he shares in common with former Congressman Bob Livingston, also on this list (see below)


2) Roy Blunt - ( R, Mo)

Blunt is something of an enigma. It's not yet clear what his personal interest or organizational affiliation might have led to his becoming a target of FBI surveillance in this case. His membership on the House International Relations Committee (aka, Committee on Foreign Affairs) is a characteristic in common with several of the others, however. See, Wiki:

Upon entering the House, Blunt served on the International Relations Committee, the House Committee on Agriculture and the Transportation Committee. In 1999, he gave up seats on the latter two committees and joined the powerful Committee on Energy and Commerce. He has also served on the Republican Conference Steering Committee since his election to the Congress. That committee determines to which committees Republican Members are assigned and elevates Members to positions of Ranking Member or Chairman.

After only one term, Blunt was appointed as Chief Deputy Whip, the highest appointed position in the House Republican Caucus. In that capacity, he served as the Republicans' chief vote-counter. When Dick Armey retired and fellow Texan DeLay was elected to succeed him, Blunt was elected to succeed DeLay as majority whip.



3) Dan Burton - (R - IN)

Committees and Affiliations
Committees
House Committee on Foreign Affairs
Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific
Subcommittee on Western Hemisphere, Ranking Member
House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform
Subcommittee on Domestic Policy
Subcommittee on National Security and International Relations
House Committee on Veterans' Affairs
Committee assignments in the 109th Congress (2005-2006)
House Committee on Government Reform
Subcommittee on Criminal Justice Drug Policy and Human Resources
Subcommittee on National Security Emerging Threats and International Relations
House Committee on International Relations
Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific
Subcommittee on the Western Hemisphere - Chair
On the Board of Governors for the Partnership for Public Service



4) Tom Lantos - (D- CA)(retiring)
Committees
House Committee on Foreign Affairs -Chair
House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform
Subcommittee on Domestic Policy
Subcommittee on National Security and International Relations
Committee assignments in the 109th Congress (2005-2006)
House Committee on Government Reform
Subcommittee on Energy and Resources
Subcommittee on National Security Emerging Threats and International Relations
House Committee on International Relations - Ranking Minority Member


5) ?


6) Bob Livingston - ex-Speaker of the House (R-LA)(retired 2000), lobbyist

Founding partner of the corporate law firm the Livingston Group, whose clients include Raytheon, Northrop Grumman (in early 2001, Grossman called a Grumman exec to warn him to stay away from Brewster Jennings because it "is the CIA"), the Cayman Islands, BAE Systems (at the center of the Saudi "Yamamah" slush fund scandal), Oracle, among many others.

Institutional Affiliations

Center for Security Policy: National Security Advisory Council Member (5)
Congressional Medal of Honor Foundation: Member of the Board of Directors (2)
Government Posts/Panels/Commissions

U.S. House of Representatives: Louisiana Congressman (1977-2000) (1)
U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Appropriations: Chairman (1995-1999); Member (1981-1999)



7) Stephen Solarz (D-Ny)(defeated 1992 after "House Banking" scandal)(lobbyist)

Affiliations
American Committee for Peace in Chechnya
American Turkish Council
Balkan Action Committee
Committee for Peace and Security in the Gulf
Committee for the Liberation of Iraq
Committee on the Present Danger
Intellibridge
International Crisis Group - Vice Chairman
Iraq Reconstruction Task Force
Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs
National Democratic Institute for International Affairs
Nonproliferation Policy Education Center
U.S. Committee for Human Rights in North Korea - on board of directors
International Advisory Board, International Center for Ethics, Justice and Public Life <2>





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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #59
67. read it correctly?
yep, you did.

we actually reported this months ago, but it has taken a while for it to get to the MSM.

I can't remember when we first mentioned it, but we reported it in March
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/16/55138/4131
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:56 PM
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62. Question for lukery or Sibel!
Have any of the candidates been asked about Sibel's case? And if so, what was said?
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:05 AM
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65. ummm
biden and kucinich were...

biden says he is 'generically familiar with sibel's case' and i'm not sure about dennis.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:20 AM
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68. was the recorded "High Official" Denny Hastert?
I remember reading last summer somewhere that Denny was caught trading secrets regarding WMD's with the Turks.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:26 AM
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70. Don't forget that Denny got a bag full of donations all under $100 ea from the Turks...
.... at least that was reported online at the time it appeared that the Armenian genocide issue was going to be brought to the floor of the House for a vote, and Denny interceded and killed it.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:41 AM
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73. $100
that was only the start of it.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:55 AM
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80. The small denominations were intentional to evade campaign finance reporting requirements...n/t
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #68
72. "High Official"
You mean in the Times article?

Nope - i hope I made that clear, it was Marc Grossman.

Hastert was certainly caught on tape receiving at least $500,000 from these folks though
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #72
75. Sorry...
you did make it clear... reading comprehension a bit off.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:46 AM
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74. Just Reposted this Elsewhere
Hope this gets more attention. It's all I can do. Thanks lukery.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:32 AM
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77. and American government really is amongst the most corrupt
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:06 AM
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81. FBI agent also got rid of anthrax evidence,burned lab, and got promoted.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:17 AM
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82. kick n/t
let's keep this puppy up there for the Sunday morning readers.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:20 AM
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83. When the FBI violates Laws nothing ever happens to them.
They admitted to violating Spying Laws but not one FBI Agent was prosecuted.
How can they be expected to have a legitimate investigation of the CIA?
They cannot.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:40 AM
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86. K&R
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:05 AM
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87. So the whole planet knows that the bush*** admin was stocked with liars,
traitors, thieves, and worse and not one mention in this country. Ain't that a bitch. Of course, they were selling the wares of their corporate masters. Face it, while Cheney was head of Halliburton they went through a back-door European subisdiary and did business with Iraq (and I believe Iran) while both countries were under sanction. So Cheney's treason predates his stint in OUR White House.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:18 AM
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88. Wow!!! This is the mother of all conspiracies!!! The whole Wilson/Plame drama,...
,...makes even more sense. I always suspected the outing involved more than mere retaliation against Wilson and that Val's cover company had a significant role in the neocons' actions.

This is an amazing article albeit it makes me feel hot anger and such great frustration that these criminals are getting away with total terror and treason.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #88
93. ...and where is the 24/7 cable "news" reporting of it? Exactly
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:48 AM
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96. You mean, the coporate-controlled VIEWS,...we don't have "news", anymore.
The corporacrats are choking this nation to death. The media is helping them because it is owned by them.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:30 PM
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98. Yes, understood. Just further illustrating the point of how big this is, yet zero U.S. coverage
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #98
112. I,...
,...apologize if I came off, ugly. It's just, no matter how many times the press fails to report matters of extraordinary national/historic/criminal/democratic relevance, I STILL feel shocked and betrayed.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:30 AM
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89. Morning Kicks: Needes
Thank You.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:57 PM
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107. An honor and a privilege
to be a supporter.
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Stalwart Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:12 AM
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90. We helped the brits
When their country was under attack by an oppressing enemy. What goes around.......

Reminds me of a WWII story about an American sailor that asked a British sailor what it was like to be in the world's second largest navy?

The Brit replied by asking what it was like to be in the 2nd best.

Our media sucks.

Thanks Brits.
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:33 AM
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94. A thousand thanks lukery and StateSecrets.
Posts like these are why I read DU!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:34 AM
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95. Thanks...K&R as always.......
:hi:
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Jon Gold Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:03 PM
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97. Sunday Times Changes Title
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #97
100. Title prolly peed-off Ruppy's corporate buddies.
Jus' guessin'
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:12 PM
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99. lukery, more on this from Brad and Larisa
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 01:25 PM by cal04
Existence of FBI Case Number, Described in Anonymous Letter Obtained by The BRAD BLOG, Corroborated by Paper
Letter Describes Senior State Dept. Official Marc Grossman as Tipping off Turkish Embassy to Valerie Plame Wilson's 'Brewster Jennings' Counter-Proliferation Operation...

By Brad Friedman from on the road...

The BRAD BLOG had obtained a copy of the anonymous letter some weeks ago, along with the FBI's denial of the existence of related information via the FOIA request. We've been in touch with the Sunday Times over the past week, as this story has been developing.

We have yet to publish the letter in full, however, as we have been unable to independently corroborate a number of allegations made in the letter.

http://www.bradblog.com/


Times Online drops the other shoe on the Turkish espionage ring...

Well, they have balls - that is all I can say. Here is the latest from the Times:
(snip)
This government official is alleged to have been Marc Grossman. Now, if you followed the CIA leak case then the "Grossman memo" should right about now make you sit up and take note.

At the time of the Libby trial, I had sent an email outlining the allegations to Fitzgerald's office. If these allegations are true - and we have no reason to doubt them - then not only was Mrs. Wilson exposed publicly by the Bush administration, but the cover company she was using was allegedly also exposed to a very specific black market network. In other words, a Clinton administration official and the entire top level of the Bush administration blew the cover of a CIA operation.

Grossman is alleged to have blown it for his corporate clients, while the Bush administration did it for a lot less: retribution, retaliation, politics. But since Grossman stayed on after the Clinton administration, he was clearly given the "loyal Bushie" test and seemingly passed.

I have to ask again, why does the Sunday Times not name him?
http://www.atlargely.com/2008/01/times-online-dr.html
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:20 PM
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101. I wonder if congress will do anything with this information.
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:53 PM
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103. Kick! But who will have the guts to go after these people?
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:59 PM
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104. I wonder why the McClaskey papers have not sopped the story up.
They surely must know about it and about Sibel's offer. Does anyone know how to get this to them? I would, but I am personally totally computer illiterate. In the meantime shall we all call or e-mail Keith and all the others, demanding US coverage?
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kenoma Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #104
105. Don't worry... Fox News is on the case!
With this headline on their front page:

FBI Denies Theft of Nuclear Secrets
FBI rejects whistleblower's claims they covered up key case file detailing dealings with Turkish and Israeli-run network

The headline gives the impression someone is accusing the FBI of stealing nuclear secrets. The subheading completely ignores the fact that the Times article explicitly repudiates the FBI's denial.

Oh well. At least they reprint the Times article (though how many of their readers get beyond the headline?)
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:43 PM
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106. Fox News?! The media outlet of choice for this Admin to spread their lies!
K&R! The most important story I've read in a long time. Sickening and deeply discouraging. It's everything we have known about our elected officials, laid out for the public to finally read. Who will read this? Who will take action on this?

Wake up America!!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:29 PM
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117. McClatchy has it.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:55 PM
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108. This web page seems to put everything into important context....


http://www.hongpong.com/hp-archives/topics/israelpalestine/index.html

...

All righty then. That's a lot of heady stuff to consider. I'll note again that I am not a true believer in anything in today's post. I just want to offer some of the interesting things out there on the internet today. I strongly believe that the Republican establishment in America today is very complicit in international drug trafficking – especially since we've got a lot of the same guys who ran cocaine angles in Central America during the Iran-Contra affair. Past behavior is a guide towards future actions, if not ironclad proof.

Arbitrage is power: the buying and selling of goods across geographic space supports the global "shadow economy" that makes up a huge proportion of economic activity. Whoever controls the space, controls the money. Half of Afghanistan's economy is heroin production, for example. Follow the cash: it's one heck of a loose end of September 11, and the war on terror.

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f the letter Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:10 PM
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109. Please let this be the scandal that finally wakes people up n/t
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:54 PM
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110. Thank you--Sibel, lukery, leveymg, everyone. n/t
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Misha2 Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:11 PM
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111. Get angry if you want but-
this is another example of the deceit of the present government and NOTHING is going to happen to them now or in my lifetime. Congress will have hearings and the WH will refuse to allow people to testify or send in the documents and nothing will happen. Our Congress doesn't have the power or stomach to deal with Bush/Cheney. They let them walk all over the Constitution for so long that it really is a hopeless cause. I really can't get upset or mad anymore....I can't take the pain and stress.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:10 PM
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116. Witnessing enormous miscarriages of justice is painful and stressful.
I'd like to think that, maybe, slim as it may be, there is a possibility the Democrats have learned from their past failures and, given the chance to correct those deadly mistakes, they will gain the courage to pursue necessary justice.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:47 PM
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113. Are we going to find out who the 7th Congress person is?
http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2008/01/sibel-names-names-in-pictures.html

It lists 7 boxes for Congress -- six of the boxes have photos and identification. One of the boxes has a question mark.

Are we going to find out who goes in the 7th box?
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:52 PM
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114. let's hope so n/t
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:00 PM
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115. the ghost of J.Edgar lives on
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:02 PM
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118. I'm so relieved the DOJ is investigating. I trust them 100%..................
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:49 PM
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119. how far has congress got with understanding what has been going on?
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:54 PM
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120. I think your answer is embedded in the article. This started under Bill Clinton
"According to the Times, these operations have been taking place since 1996."

I don't expect any of this to really come to the full light of day, and be investigated as long as the Clintons are
co-leaading the country with the Bushies.

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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 06:06 AM
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121. Kick
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