I'll tell you who won the debate tonight...The American People Won!

[cynatnite]

They won because they got to watch three intelligent people discuss the issues. They won because no matter what happens one of those smart people will be in the WH and we will have a congress controlled by the Democrats.

The American people won because the era of the repukes will soon be OVER!

[lonestarnot]

1. They lost, Dennis uninvited is bullshit.

[cynatnite]

3. I understand what you're saying...

but Dennis never had a chance in winning the election and everyone knew it. The real contenders were the ones that were there, IMO.

[lonestarnot]

4. That is not the point!

[cynatnite]

6. I know what the point is...

just telling you what I thought. That's all.

[Blue Congress]

8. we all lost- unless you like the corporate media making your decisions

Dennis has 'no chance' because of the corporate media.

The reason they do not include him is they think he might win

Kucinich Wins Debate Poll, ABC Covers Up Results
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2007/08/5255_kucinich_wins_d.html

[nonconformist]

10. Why didn't they include Gravel?

[cynatnite]

12. That poll is an online one and hardly a consensus of the American people...

It got those results because someone here on DU posted the link and DUer's voted.

Dennis has no chance because people won't vote for him. It's been said here at DU plenty of times. He runs to be heard. No one expects him to win. He'll get 2-4% of the vote and that's it.

[Blue Congress]

21. He won the PDA poll, the DFA poll- activists who really care about the state of the country

and he use to win all the polls here before people started pushing Edwards, and the corporate meme that Kucinich is unelectable.

And it doesn't help his poll standings when the Corporate controlled polls leave his name out of the choices.

[cynatnite]

25. Well, people choose who they want...

I'm not one to assume that because my choice didn't win or get included was because of corporate America.

While I like Kucinich and respect the hell out of him, he's not electable, IMO, and probably never will be. In fact, I like him where he is because I think it's where he does the most good. He's not constrained in the way a president would be.

[Selatius]

34. True, but PDA isn't indicative of middle-of-the-road types who typically aren't so passionate.

I'm pretty well informed on the issues, and Kucinich wins hands down in my judgment, but not everybody is as left wing as I am, nor are they as informed on things such as civil liberties or the environment.

[pinto]

14. Can't remember corporate media making any decision for me in my lifetime.

I tend to make my own, for better or worse. :evilgrin:

[Blue Congress]

19. It's called manufactured consent

and you can barely tell it's happening...

[pinto]

23. Sorry, don't buy that. I would have liked to see Kucinich at the table,

yet I don't rely on the media to make an informed decision for me, I do that on my own.

[Breeze54]

24. You may do that but the lemmings/sheeple don't! They believe all on the idiot box!

So, in that vein of thinking, the M$M did make your choice for you!

[pinto]

37. So, if the idiot box had a broader format would that be better or worse?

I don't get the slam on the medium or the 'lemmings', who 'believe all on the idiot box', while advocating more influence of TV in politics.

I can see the point about including Kucinich or not (I would have liked to hear him at the table), but decrying the impact of TV while decrying the absence of a candidate on TV seems conflicted - or hyperbole.

[Breeze54]

40. You haven't noticed yet that all the M$M tells the same stories, night after night?

Have you been listening at all? :shrug: (maybe that's why people at DU keep posting things like 'WAKE UP!")

Have you noticed that a story from the AP is the same as a story at ABC and on your local rag?

Have you noticed at all that it's all the same?

:cry:

[Skittles]

42. yes

we must stick with the people the corporate MSM declare as front-runners

[pipoman]

11. I agree

Even if he couldn't win he brings ideas and convictions that are truly Democratic principals which the winning candidate should be adopting...that is why he should have been there.

[midnight]

18. Lonestarnot I'm sorry that he was not there- that is wrong.

I thought I read that a judge determined that he was suppose to be allowed. Did I understand that correctly?

[Lorien]

39. Agreed. n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

2. Hear Hear To That!

:toast:

[nonconformist]

5. It really showcased how smart they all are

Made me feel very proud to be a Democrat.

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[nonconformist]

31. Cripes, this place looks like Free Republic tonight.

I say that our Democratic candidates for president are intelligent and make me proud, and I get called a doofus with a low IQ.

Nice.

[TahitiNut]

36. I tend to agree. I listened closely and heard euphemisms and weasel-wording.

Lots of 'flighty' rhetoric and virtually NOTHING really firm and LIBERAL. I just don't get the sense that "CHANGE" is much more than a slogan.

[Truth2Tell]

7. What an unmitigated load of steaming hot

BULLSHIT.

Congratulations! You're the lucky winner of another 8 years of corporate slavery and degenerating Empire! Bend over to claim your prize.

[cynatnite]

9. That is quitter talk n/t

[Truth2Tell]

26. Some days I want to quit. And some days I want to fight. nt

[cynatnite]

28. Very true...I feel the same sometimes...

I got snarky. Sorry. :hug:

[Truth2Tell]

38. That's OK, I just called your post

a steaming pile of poo. Snark is an acceptable response. :hug:

[Breeze54]

13. Wrong! ~ When one is silenced, all are silenced ! ~ America lost!

:(

[nonconformist]

35. Gravel was silenced too... first, even.

:shrug:

[midnight]

15. You are so right on....

[Pastiche423]

16. What a laugh

Ha ha.

We, the People LOST tonight. When our voices are suppressed, we all lose.

[Solon]

20. 3 people bloviating about how they will change the country...

when, at best, they are talking about changes so miniscule that you might as well talk about the status quo. Candidates so similar in policy positions, that, at best, it degenerates the Primaries into a personality popularity contest, and you claim that the American People won? What the fuck did they win?

[cynatnite]

27. Aren't most of them a personality popularity contest?

Think about it. A person walks into a voting booth to pick the best person for the job...most of the time it turns out to be the one they like the best. That's some of how * got the votes he did...besides cheating.

[Solon]

And that just tells me how America ended up in the sad state of affairs its in now.

I frankly don't care if the candidate is a complete asshole, I care about POLICY, period. I find these personality contests to be sickening and a waste of my and the country's time. Media driven drivel, that's all it is.

[sandnsea]

22. They all did well

and I do have to say that I appreciated Hillary reminding people that McCain said we might stay in the ME 100 years.

[bbgrunt]

29. Notice how not one of them mentioned NAFTA or CAFTA

without Dennis there to point out the source of the loss of jobs? They all seemed quick to mention the credit crisis, but didn't go near the broader problems of globalization beyond urging more support for education. Education for what? Flipping hamburgers?

[cynatnite]

30. I don't recall hearing about Katrina either...

I'm bothered by the lack of discussion about Katrina. No one's talking about it at all.

[Breeze54]

41. Exactly! Or Katrina! Good point!

Same BS, three mouth pieces for the corporations!

[Whisp]

32. how smart can 2 of those be when they got fooled by an idiot?

for that Iraq thingie?

[Whisp]

43. valid question.

what's so smart about people that got sold a bill of ill gotten goods?

let's get a bit of wayback machine reality, please?

[flvegan]

33. WTF? The American People LOST. Fucking lost.

Again.

Who won? Big media.

The true spirit of America was silenced tonight. To think otherwise is not only wrong, but stupid.

[Whisp]

44. oh you are such a downer....

get those pompoms out and rah rah For Democracy! and Change! (ca ching ca ching for the same corps) a new world opens - a bridge to Fairness and free popcorn! there will be flowers in the streets of gold. (for the same mega thieves).

:sarcasm: