hillary clinton's comment on martin luther king, jr., was nothing more than the truth and a factual

[flordehinojos]

comment.

martin luther king dedicated his life to working for civil rights. it is also true that had not a president (who happened to be white, from the south, and a man) understood the moment and the importance of the martin luther king jr., revolution, and had that president not signed the civil rights into law ... there would have been no civil rights in 1964 in these united states.

people who want to make a smear out of that fact are just simply stoking the passions of blidness and preventing rational, clear, factual truth to be made a part of this election (if we have an election, if bush doesn't first bomb iran or cause them to bomb us, if bush's narcissim doesn't get the best of him and he gets the best of us and bombs ull into armageddon ... and obama knowing just what buttons to push, plays the offended card, and lets all the media whores from mika breszinski, to joe scrawl-booughrough, to tweety matthews, the new news anchors at msnbc and everywhere else to stoke the emotional reactivity more. they (those media whores and durrty political players, they are the ones who are being disrespectful to martin luther king jr.)

and those who know the truth and keep silent, they too are allowing the passions to flow out while rational thought, truth and facts sink ever lower, and lower into oblivion. in that they share a common trait with poppy bush who has kept silent and silent and silent about the crimes his criminal son has committed ...

this is all an abuse.

and the abuse has to stop.

it has to stop now.

[niyad]

1. excellent point, one which I made to several who whined about her comment.

[flordehinojos]

4. good to know people who get the point. and speak up for truth.

thank you.

[liberalnurse]

33. Just read her book, "Living History"

and you will see how she has been a life long advocate for all aspects of civil rights. She started in high school!

Read the book.

[BOSSHOG]

2. A voice of reason. Thank you

I have come to a similar conclusion after delving into the matter a little more deeply. I fail to find offense.

[flordehinojos]

5. thank you for using your mind and reason to clear the fog being created by the media and others.

[DJ13]

3. What was her motivation?

Why would she think any comment about MLK was needed?

It wasnt, except to make race a part of the campaign because she knew it would create a shitstorm, and she needs something to distinguish her from Obama, who was winning by being a better campaigner.

[indimuse]

7. Why would Oprah use MLK?

????????????????????????????

[flordehinojos]

9. why did timmy the russet potatoehead ask her about martin luther king jr.

or ... about something which pointed in the direction to that answer. i do not have the MTP transcript here in front of me. i am sure the answer lies in there somewhere (and i think he might have been addressing some distortion created by the people at fox news when he asked whatever question it was that he was asking ...... and what was their motivation? and what was timmy's motivation? timmy is a friend of big bucks and talking points ... i don't see his motivation as one of either clearing up any confusion, nor as one of trying to understand hillary clinton, her positions, or her points of view. i see his motivation as one of trying to smear clinton, and muddy the waters. he has done it before ... and watch out for him tonight. he is going to find a way to do it again and let the others in the media run with whatever mud he will throw at hillary and whatever distortion of her answer they can come up with. they want obama in the oval office because he is just another bush.

[fenriswolf]

6. a president who had voted down the bill before

the man was not motivated by civil liberties but more because the people demanded it. don't credit him with the peoples will.

[rodeodance]

12. It does not matter what LBJ's motives were-the fact is there needed to be poliical

will in the WH.

[fenriswolf]

15. the president is supposed to represent the will of the people

the people demanded it and even though LBJ did it he did so begrudgingly, being dragged to do something does not constitute leadership nor does it give kudos for helping civil liberties. it shows that they guy tried to stall it as long as he could before he had his arm pinned behind his back.

[aquart]

19. That's not historically accurate. Not even slightly.

Congress wasn't for it. LBJ twisted their arms clean off to get that legislation passed.

[Generator]

8. Sorry of course it was fact

but the unsaid fact was that of course LBJ had to be the one to enact the laws. BLACK FOLKS had no rights. So of course MLK couldn't have done it himself, they were hardly letting black people vote much less be president. And here this moment there is a CHANCE a black man CAN be president and she has to rub in his face that without the great white man Obama wouldn't be where he is.

So it's a stupid argument BUT it points out for me that Hillary values ABOVE ALL power-the presidency and not the value of inspiration. Which it what really changes the world. HOW have the Clintons changed the world for the better? Honestly, I feel we have been going backward for the last twenty years. I feel ALL our human rights-starting let's say with voting rights are going backwards. So Hillary's argument pissed me the hell off.

[flordehinojos]

10. you yourself have just admitted that INSPIRATION WOULDN'T HAVE DONE A DAMN THING TO GET THE CIVIL

RIGHTS PASSED INTO LAW.

what the hell is this thing about inspiration when we have seen the chaos the INSPIRATION OF AN INSPIRED PRESIDENT HAS WROUGHT THIS LAST EIGHT YEARS ON THE COUNTRY AND THE WHITE HOUSE. DO YOU WANT YOUR SON OR DAUGHTER TO TELL YOU THEY AREN'T HOLDING A JOB BECAUSE INSPIRATION TELLS THEM THEY HAVE TO PONDER PHILOSOPHY ALL DAY LONG.

pleaaaaaase.

[Generator]

16. You don't get it at all

Without MLK it wouldn't exist. He didn't exactly live in philosophy. It wasn't just an idea to him. It was a life, lived and bled for. Many died for those rights.

So did all those that died from back alley abortions, in your way of thinking it was ONLY that one precious supreme court judge that did anything about it and that's where all the real POWER and credit come from.

It wasn't the women that marched and fought. They are meaningless. Only the ones with power count.

PS you fucking picked the wrong woman on the wrong day. I never said the inspiraton was meaningless I said without it-it wouldn't exist. You think MLK was worthless just like Hillary. Only the powerful exist to your ilk.

[aquart]

21. What a bigoted, idiotic way to "honor" your hero.

Do distort and dishonor everything he believed, stood, and died for.

Do, by all means, use it to justify your peculiar twists of....I can't even guess.

And how back alley abortions got dragged into this...I don't think any of us will ever know.

[NorthernSpy]

32. actually, the abortion example was extremely well-chosen...

Feminists never let men claim the lion's share of credit for successful feminist struggles -- even though women got the vote when men voted to enfranchise us, and men handed down the Roe v Wade decision.


If you don't see the relevance re what the Clintons said, it's because you don't want to.

[Johonny]

17. I agree

Clearly African Americans could not make this idea into law because they were kept from any real political power. In this case I think Hillary choose a very bad example to make her case. There's a clear difference between a lack of governing experience and a lack of opportunity to have governing experience. For a person with as many PR people as her, how was she not advised to not go there on this subject is beyond me.

[Mojorabbit]

24. It was a stupid thing to say

and I cannot understand why she said it. I think she probably wishes she could unsay it. I think she did not mean for it to come out the way it did but she is a big girl and we all have to take the consequences for what leaves our mouths. I just hope this can be put to rest soon. It is obliterating any discussion of what the Dem's policies are.

[aquart]

20. "Unsaid"?

Maybe, instead of an icon you clearly do not value, you went and actually read MLK's words about what went on? Because his opinions differ from yours.

[rodeodance]

11. As a leader--Obama was silent and spoke up too late. He allowed the crap to crap over and over!!

..and obama knowing just what buttons to push, plays the offended card, and lets all the media whores from mika breszinski, to joe scrawl-booughrough, to tweety matthews, the new news anchors at msnbc and everywhere else to stoke the emotional reactivity more. they (those media whores and durrty political players, they are the ones who are being disrespectful to martin luther king jr.)

[Johonny]

14. I think he did the right thing

as a candidate why make a move to help Hillary when she was making a clear mistake. Campaigning and governing are two different things.

[Rock_Garden]

13. Couldn't agree more, flor.

[aquart]

18. Not "abuse." Cynical political ploy.

Obama was really worried that Hillary still had some of the black vote in SC. What did you expect him to do? Leave it all to chance or the voters?

[emilyg]

22. Thank you.

[DemGa]

23. You are right, and this was all too obvious to all sides...nt

[Kahuna]

25. It was factual. I've said that from the very beginning. Still I wonder why

she chose to use Dr. King as an example of the obvious. Which has nothing to do with anything since Obama is running to be an inspiring PRESIDENT, not an inspiring civil rights leader. Duh.

But if she wanted to make a point about differences she could have used John Kerry and Nixon. I mean she didn't HAVE TO use King.

[mmonk]

26. I don't think dissing those that risk their lives as political activists

for change and social justice as somewhat less than the politician that finally acts on those sacrifices is necessarily nothing more than the truth and factual comment. Without those that push and scarifice and risk, a politician would be content for something easier and less controversial and thus likely to put that change off for someone else in a different time.

[izzybeans]

27. Only an opportunist credits a government official with the work born of the people

[WinkyDink]

28. Well, it is obvious that only politicians can pass laws, so what was her real point? Sounds

like a tin ear, to me.

[NorthernSpy]

29. and without pressure from World Communism arming liberation struggles all over the globe...

... the US government wouldn't have had nearly as much incentive to ameliorate the long-standing oppression of black America. It all came down to the battle for hearts and minds, you know.


So following the Clintons' own logic, the "real" credit should go to World Communism.



Me, I think I'll just go on crediting the people who put their own lives on the line for freedom and justice.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

30. I Understand What She Meant Completely, And Think The Brewhaha Is Insane.

What she said in the way she meant it, was perfectly acceptable, logical and correct. I know exactly what she meant and can't stand when things are twisted unfairly with the only intent to be used for inaccurate character assassination.

[taterguy]

31. It was lazy and bad history since the Voting Rights Act was more important than the Civil Rights Act

I never thought I'd post in a Hillary thread but that's what bugs me about the comment. King's vision wasn't realized when the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964.

It wasn't until a year later when the Voting Rights Act was passed.

That was the law that put minorities in a position of power, and ended the tradition of all-white juries in the South.

And that law wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for the efforts of Martin Luther King and LBJ.

They both wanted the law but they needed each other to get it.