The Shock Doctrine: The Clintons and the Cheneys....

[Joanne98]

In the Balkans, where Clinton deployed nineteen thousand soldiers, US bases sprang up as mini Halliburton cities: neat, gated suburbs, built and run entirely by the company. And Halliburton was committed to providing the troops with all the comforts of home, including fast-food outlets, supermarkets, movie theatres and high-tech gyms. Some senior officers wondered what the strip-malling of the military would do to troops discipline-but they too were enjoying the perks. "Everything with Halliburton was gold-plated," one told me. "So we weren't complaining." As far as Halliburton was concerned, keeping the customer satisfied was good business-it guaranteed more contracts, because profits were calculated as a percentage of costs, the higher the costs, the higher the profits. "Don't worry, it's cost plus," was a saying made famous in Baghdad's green zone, but the deluxe war spending was pioneered during the Clinton era.

In the mid-nineties, Lookheed began taking over information technology divisions of the US government, running it's computer systems and a great deal of it's data managment. Largely, under the public radar, the company went so far in this direction that, in 2004, The New York Times reported, "Lockheed Martin doesn't run the United States. But it does help run a breathtakingly big part of it...It sorts your mail and totals your taxes. It cuts Social Security checks and counts the US census. It runs space flights and monitors air traffic. To make all that happen, Lockheed writes more computer code than Microsoft.

It made for a powerful husband and wife team. While Dick was steering Halliburton to take over the infrastructure of warfare abroad, Lynne was helping Lockheed to take over the day-to-day running of the government at home. At times husband and wife found themselves in direct competition. In 1996, when the state of Texas announced that corporations could bid to run it's welfare program-a contract worth $2 billion over five years-both Lockheed and the IT giant Electronic Data Systems, which boasted Dick Cheney as a board member, bid on the contract. In the end, the Clinton administration intervened and halted the auction. Though it was generally an enthusiatic supporter of out-sourcing, deciding who was eligible to receive welfare was determined to be an essential role of government, not suitable fro privatization. Both Lookheed and EDS cried foul, as did the Governor of Texas, George W Bush, who thought privatizing welfare was a terrific idea.

I know this is a repeat but since the MSM is using a "weapon of mass distraction" today. I hope this will keep everybody head where it should be. IT'S THE MONEY STUPID!

[DainBramaged]

1. So are you saying it's Hillary's fault?

[Joanne98]

2. OUTSOURCING to Halliburton started under the Clinton administration,

DUH! I suppose Hillary had no idea. Is that what you're saying?

[DainBramaged]

12. So you blame Hillary, now that she's a candidate?

She made policy, she was part of the Republican controlled House and Senate?



(Taps foot, mouse hovering over the red X)

[Stephanie]

13. She's claiming credit for her husband's administration as her "experience"

If she claims the credit, she has to take the blame as well. I know as in all things she'd like to have it both ways, but it's not going to fly on this one.

[DainBramaged]

16. The red X just got clicked

Guilt by association, what a fucking stretch. You Clinton haters will do anything to torpedo the Democratic takeover of the Government.

Keep your bullshit among yourselves, I won't be reading it any longer. And reply to your fucking hearts content.

[iamthebandfanman]

42. yeah, and you clinton lovers

will do anything to defend anything she does/says/ or associates herself with.


whos worse ?

you tell me.

i think ur both silly.

[DainBramaged]

47. I don't love any of them, it's just civility has departed DU

And you just got the red x checked too. Learn to write complete sentences, they make you appear intelligent.

[AzDar]

48. DainBramaged, with all due respect, do you feel Hillary should be able to tout

her 'years of experience' gleaned while Bill was in the W.H., without also being linked to the bad policy-making decisions implemented during that time as well?

She can't have it both ways.:shrug:

[TahitiNut]

18. Welcome to the Honor Roll, Stephanie ... only the best people are listed.

:rofl:

[Stephanie]

22. Am I a Hillary Hate-Ah?

Sheesh, it doesn't take much! Anyway, I'm in good company! :hi:

This is choice: "Guilt by association, what a fucking stretch."

Guilt! By association with whom? Um, her husband? The husband whose administration she is claiming as her own? Hah!

[TahitiNut]

29. I'm envisioning a surreal inversion of "The Argument Clinic"

:rofl: I know - it's not nice to laugh at the people on the short yellow bus. :rofl: :rofl:

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. It started with Poppy Bush. Bill just finished it. n/t

[BeHereNow]

30. And set the stage for the shrubby dynasty. n/t (NAFTA, WTO, etc)

bhn

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. Yes indeedy!

One of the dumbest thing he ever did!

[Marie26]

25. But Hillary Clinton has never been

free-market advocate. That's part of the reason conservatives hate her so much - "socialized medicine", etc. She's toned it down since the health care debacle, but still, whenever she talks about solutions, she concentrates on the power of government to solve social problems. Milton Friedman HATED her health care plan.

[yardwork]

46. Bullshit. It started long, long before then. Google Kellogg Brown and Root.

This is disgusting.

[maddezmom]

49. actually looks like it started under Cheney in

LOGCAP Military Contract
Halliburton's largest government contract is with the United States Army Corps of Engineers. Under the contract, known as "LOGCAP" (or Logistics Civilian Augmentation Program), Halliburton is responsible for providing supplies and services to the military on a global basis. Some of the typical civil logistics carried out under the contract are the construction of military housing for the troops, transporting food and supplies to military bases and serving food at military cafeterias.

The military has always used private contractors to carry out civil logistics, but not to a great extent. In 1985, the military created LOGCAP with the purpose of privatizing more of the duties involved in civil logistics. The military first used LOGCAP in 1988 to construct and maintain two petroleum pipeline systems in Southwest Asia in support of contingency operations. But most of the military's civil logistics activities were still not privatized.

It was Dick Cheney, as defense secretary in 1992, who spearheaded the movement to privatize most of the military's civil logistics activities. Under the direction of Secretary Cheney, the Pentagon paid $9 million to Halliburton's subsidiary, KBR, to conduct a study to determine whether private companies like itself should handle all of the military's civil logistics. KBR's classified study concluded that greater privatization of logistics was in the government's best interest. Shortly thereafter, on August 3, 1992, Secretary Cheney awarded the first comprehensive LOGCAP contract to KBR. The Washington Post reported "The Pentagon chose to carry out the study and subsequently selected the company to implement its own plan." Three years later, in 1995, Halliburton hired Cheney as its CEO.

In 1997, two years after Cheney became CEO of Halliburton, KBR's LOGCAP contract was not renewed and the government alleged the company engaged in fraudulent billing practices. The independent auditing arm of Congress, the GAO, had criticized KBR's performance during America's war in the Balkans. GAO said KBR's cost-overruns in the Balkans inflated the original contract price by 32 percent. After KBR was effectively fired by the Army in 1997, the LOGCAP contract was awarded to Halliburton competitor DynCorp. But, after Cheney became vice president in 2001, DynCorp was fired and KBR was re-awarded the contract.

more:http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/about_hal/logcap.html

[MyNameGoesHere]

50. Pure non-sensical BS

outsourcing to contractors has been around for decades. halliburton began it's military contracting in WW2 liar.

Military Support
Halliburton's history includes a rich heritage of military support. During World War II, Brown & Root built the Corpus Christi Naval Air Station and a series of warships for the U.S. Government.

In the aftermath of Operation Desert Storm in Kuwait in 1991, Halliburton crews helped bring 320 burning oil wells under control. In addition, Brown & Root assessed and repaired damaged public buildings in Kuwait.

[classykaren]

5. we didnt get much in the way of union help with bill did we?

[TahitiNut]

19. Well .... lots of reasons to join one. Isn't that "help"??

:evilgrin:

[L0oniX]

3. So Shillary is going select the Dick as vice asscarrot?

:sarcasm:

[Joanne98]

4. Some people just don't get it!!!!!!!!!

But it's not going away. We WILL talk about corruption in BOTH parties sooner or later!

[mmonk]

7. Yes.

I'm planning something later but not close to a primary so I can't be accused of anything. It's going to be tough fitting it in somewhere.

[CoffeeCat]

26. When that time comes...

...it will be too late.

[BeHereNow]

31. I did talk about it recently- the corruption of both parties, or the fact that the corporate masters

control both.
Same evil clowns behind both parties as evidenced here-
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2636329
Hegel would be proud.

BHN

[Joanne98]

6. kick

[Joanne98]

8. I have to go to bed.. Please keep this kicked!

:kick:

[readmoreoften]

9. The neoconservatives and Friedmanites are backing Obama.

Kagan recently wrote an article called "Obama the Interventionist" for the Washington Post. Kristol had very complimentary things to say about the Senator on his website as well. Obama's hawk speech at the Council on Foreign Relations is on his website. He talks of protecting America's "vital interests" in the middle east.

I wonder if the Senator from Illinois is schooled in Chicago Style Economics. It wouldn't surprise me. I'm coming around to the idea that this is bipartisanship of which Obama speaks.

[indimuse]

10. Michelle Obama is a director in the Chicago CFR anti-American groups that exist.Dick Cheney is also

AP JUNE 2007 - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama laid out list of political shortcomings he sees in the Bush administration but said he opposes impeachment for either President George W. Bush or Vice President Dick Cheney. :wtf:. . "I think you reserve impeachment for grave, grave breeches, and intentional breeches of the president's authority," he said.
Seemed to be a man of the people, but then he's involved in shady real estate deals. Who knows. But then I learn his wife is a director in the Chicago CFR, or whatever they call themselves these days.:wow:
The CFR is one of the most anti-American groups that exist:spank:(Dick Cheney is also a member , as most of them are. Them being crooked politicians who stop at nothing to sell us out).
Then, the kicker, Zbigniew Brzezinski, is one of Barack Obama’s national security advisers! This guy is practically the architect of our middle east mess. Read his book "The Grand Chessboard", he lays out the whole plan right there, AND he wrote it in 1998.
So Obama, who is supposedly anti-war, is aligned with one of the most hawkish guys out there. How does this benefit blacks or whites or anyone who isn't an elite.

[Radical Activist]

14. what's cfr?

Details or links verifying any of this would be nice.

[BeHereNow]

32. Council on Foreign Relations, or the Fuck the Serfs of the World committee

The Trilateral Commission is their only rival
when it comes to fucking serfs globally.
BHN

[BeHereNow]

33. Here ya go-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2636329

[readmoreoften]

34. Here for links on neoconservative support of Obama and his CFR relations.

For more info on CFR checkout sourcewatch.org and input Council on Foreign Relations. Within these links you'll find Obama's speech at the CFR:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/0...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

Of course, you'll also get to read why the neoconservatives like Obama so much.

[BeHereNow]

35. No one makes the MSM cut without CFR and TC approval.

And that is exactly why voting for Clinton or Obama
is like shitting in your own food.

Want to eat some more shit America?
See the further destruction of your children's
future?
Not me- I AINT voting for more corporatist
puppets; I AINT voting for further destruction
of my country by the fat cats!

BHN

[leftchick]

40. well said BHN!

shitting in your own food! Indeed.

:hi:

[BeHereNow]

51. And we can be bunk mates at the gulag together!

As we dare to speak the truth- heaven forbid
anyone point out the stinking elephant carcass
under the political rug, eh?
BHN:hug:

[mmonk]

11. Someone responded to me a question I had concerning whether Obama's

people would be Friedman or Keynes. I was told it would be a variation of Keynes. I cannot say for sure.

[Marie26]

24. Who was that someone?

Do you mean someone within the campaign? I'd be curious to know the answer to this as well.

[mmonk]

38. Someone here. I'll try to look it up.

[mmonk]

56. Here. I found the thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2598077

Someone said neo keynes. Then later, someone said I was producing an attack thread when I really wanted to know. I told them that was not the case and they basically called me liar. I didn't realize it until until now they came back at me with that. Politics turns people nasty, doesn't it?

[readmoreoften]

36. On paper, Keynes. In practice, probably Keynes. However...

Richard Nixon also practiced Keynesian economics because he didn't believe he could get away with running America with Chicago Way...

[AntiFascist]

37. That's just great!

This is what I was afraid of. Now the neocons can't lose, between Obama's support and the DLC. I wish Edwards could take a strong stand against the neocons, and I wish people could understand that under Obama or Clinton war in the Middle East is likely to never end.

[Radical Activist]

15. I can't even think about voting for another Clinton after reading that book

or after learning about their economic policies in Latin America. Or learning about who James Carville and their allies have been helping in South American elections. No fucking way.

[leftchick]

41. and it is all right out there

look at the fucking scum they hang with, including the BFEE. No fucking thank you!

[niceypoo]

17. You forgot to mention that Hillary is also responsible for crop circles and WWII

[mod mom]

27. Maybe not crop circles but a toxic waste incinerator in East Liverpool OH-yes:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/mod%20mom

[Hutzpa]

21. Could this be the reason

behind the sudden truce?

I'm lost in wonderland.






:shrug:

[Yael]

23. Joanne, I skipped the responses on this as I saw the Blame Game cranking up

just wanted to thank you for your Klein excerpts. This was the most important book published in 2007 and I appreciate you staying on top of it.

:hi"

[OzarkDem]

28. Your photo is a bit deceiving

All new and re-elected senators during the Bush years have been sworn in by Cheney. Its the VP's role.

[Perry Logan]

39. Could there be a copyright problem with all these excerpts from Klein's book?

[Whisp]

55. I have a better suggestion - Let's Burn the Book!

:sarcasm:

[Joanne98]

43. Whether anyone likes this or not, this is just the facts!

Forget the picture, read what it says. Dick Cheney, lobbyiest for Halliburton, laid the groundwork for privatization of military services, during the BALKANS war. That was in 1999. Lynne Cheney, lobbyiest for Lockheed, privatized the cutting of SS checks during the Clinton years. I really don't like an arms company getting involved in SS. The Clintons need to answer questions on trade, deregulation and privatization. The banks were deregulated in 1999 also, leading to Enron and now the sub-prime crisis. If Hillary said, "the era of big greed is over" I would be happy, but she dodges the questions. I think she believes in the program and if I'm right, the Clintons will Privatize SS and Medicare and sell off the rest of US assets. BTW, in my next Shock Doctrine thread, I'm doing the tsumani, "It's not a tsumani, it's an opportunity" remember who was there? Poppy and Bill, and all those people got their beaches sold of to big hotels. Bill Clinton said he would travel the world with Poppy saying, "America is open for business". Well you know what we are NOT OPEN FOR BUSINESS! PERIOD. Anyone who tries to sell off our assets is the enemy!

[Marie26]

44. The problem is connecting this to Hillary

As far as I can tell, she's always been against privatization & radical free-market policies. She might be a hawk, but she's not a Friedmanite.


"And that would have given a president who actually believed in Social Security -- which George Bush does not -- the resources and the options to make decisions, but not the kind of draconian decisions, and certainly not the move toward privatization, which is what the Republicans have been advocating for as long as I can remember."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21528787/page/12/

"This is the most successful domestic program in the history of the United States," Clinton said to applause from seniors gathered in Washington to push their policy agenda. "When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything."

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YWZhMjI5N2Q5NWYxOGUxOGIzMzNmMjQ1ZDkyM2RkYzE=


"The unfettered free market has been the most radically destructive force in American life in the last generation."

-- First Lady Hillary Clinton on C-Span in 1996 stating her troubles with the free market

"Too many people have made too much money."

-- First Lady Hillary Clinton condemns the insurance industry, feeling it’s not fair that certain businesses are making ‘too much money’


Quote Wars: Milton Friedman vs. Hillary Clinton - http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20237

[Joanne98]

53. She using "experience" as a selling point. Experience at what?

[SOS]

52. Things have changed since 1938

"The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism"

-FDR, April 29, 1938

[Joanne98]

54. We need to go CHANGE economic models! But everything "culture war" is

so much more interesting!