All of you who won't vote for the nominee....

[BooScout]

....if the nominee is not your top choice seriously needs to get on the train to Freeperville. Because that's exactly where America will wind up permanently if you don't support the Democratic nominee. I don't give a fuck if you do call yourself an Independent. This is the Democratic Underground. Anyone of our top three candidates will be 100 times better thasn anyone the Republican party puts forth......and since we don't have a third party system in America then a vote for anyone running as an independent is not a protest vote, it's a throwaway vote.......and a throwaway vote benefits the Republicans.

So for all of you saying you won't vote for _______ if they take the nomination........grow the fuck up and face reality. Life is about compromises. Deal with it.

This is America's last chance at redemption as far as I am concerned. If we fuck it up now then there is no going back.

[Bicoastal]

1. Just about every time large groups of people take a "principled stand" against our nominee...

...the country elects Bush or his equivalent for another term.

[MadHound]

70. Actually that's not true, before 2000 there was Perot in '00,

He helped Bill out a lot in getting elected:shrug:

[Nimrod2005]

2. Not if we gain bigger majorities in the House and the Senate!

What do you think? I can't see myself voting for Hillary...Just being honest.

[BooScout]

3. Bullshit.......

Do you seriously want Huckabee to be President even if we have a Democratic House and Senate?

It could happen.........and it doesn't have to.

[Nimrod2005]

8. Lol, did you have to use

The Huckester as an example?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

4. she would be no better than some GOP candidates.

honesty. SOS, with a different outfit.

[leftynyc]

91. Do you honestly think she would

put Scalia's on the court? I mean really - sometimes the hyperbole here is just childish nonsense.

[mitchtv]

10. yeah, we went thru that in Calif

ripped the Dem to shreds lots of "could never vote fors" but the Arnoldtrons voted ene masse cause they thought it would be "cool"

[Nimrod2005]

11. I understand he has not been that bad?

[mitchtv]

54. not that bad?

after losing a texas style redidtricting? vetoeing legislature passed same sex marriage? Thanks, but I'll take the Dem

[mondo joe]

5. Those people just confirm that evey nation really does get the government it deserves.

[DJ13]

6. All of you who won't vote for the nominee....

My biggest problem will only arise if its Hillary as the nominee.

Im not seeing as much difference between her views, voting record, or even Bill's Presidency and some moderate Republicans views, voting record, or past Presidency (Bush excluded here, I said moderate) as I was hoping for when she first became the Senator from NY, nor has she campaigned on real liberal issues so far in this race.

I want someone more liberal than she's been.

Sorry.

[Nimrod2005]

9. Well said!

[BooScout]

12. Have you even seriously looked at her voting record?

On all the issues? I can't beleive you have.

[truedelphi]

22. Plus my take on this "All of you who won't give your life

And allegiance to our candidate as she is the nominee" etc etc

Is rather

1) silly
I do not know what I am having for breakfast on any given day in Nov 2008. And don't know if I will even be alive due to not having health insurance, or whether I'll even be in this country.
Plus any of another group of variables.

2) divisive

It may be appropriate to call people out on this issue like on the LAST FRIGGIN' week in October.

But Hillbots, please get a life. It is only January of 2008.

Message to Hillbots: Quit being my Super Conscience and Super Ego. You don't even know me. You don't even know who will be running in November of 2008.

[comradebillyboy]

33. and which republican would that be?

[leftynyc]

92. That's weird

I compared her voting record to Obama's and they are virtually identical.

[H2O Man]

7. Nominated.

We can't afford a republican president appointing radicals to the federal courts.

[L0oniX]

13. We are not entitled to believe that our general election candidate would be as bad...

as whoever the repukes come up with? Who are you to tell people we must vote for someone we think will be as bad if not worse than what we have now? Everyone is entitled to have their opinion and make up their own mind. There's more than one way to fuck up this country. There are plenty of corporations and filthy rich asscarrots who are fucking up this country no matter who we vote for.

[BooScout]

14. If you want to vote Republican

Then you have no business being on DU.

[L0oniX]

16. You are seeing things that aren't there. You have no business telling anyone to do anything on DU.

[SammyWinstonJack]

15. ...

:thumbsup:

[Terry_M]

17. Shouldn't the people that select a divisive candidate

that a decent chunk of democrats simply cannot force themselves to vote for in the general election also share some of the blame?

[leftynyc]

93. The reality is that

Clinton is winning the democrats. Obama is winning with independents and probably some republicans. Not that it really means anything - any candidate will need the indies but I'm tired of bullshit being spread.

[sniffa]

18. loyalty oaths are for suckers

[EstimatedProphet]

32. No they're not

"Loyalty oaths" to get in to see the candidate speak, because he's too fucking afraid to have someone question his stance on anything or show him that he's not the Second Coming of Christ, are for suckers.

"Loyalty oaths" to vote for the only candidate who has a chance of preventing a win by a megalomaniac power-mad fundamentalist wanting to force Dominionist Christianity on the citizens over pain of death, is not a loyalty oath. It's self-preservation. I don't support Hillary right now, but if it's Hillary vs. Huckabee, you're damn straight I'm voting Hillary, and working for Hillary, because President Huckabee might just well end history as we know it in his zeal to be raptured, and stopping that is the only principled thing to do.

[Phillycat]

76. DAMN RIGHT.

Well said!

[bemildred]

19. Is this some sort of parody or something?

"This is America's last chance at redemption as far as I am concerned. If we fuck it up now then there is no going back."

What in the heck does that mean? Why should I listen to anybody who makes arguments like that?

[bunkerbuster1]

21. It may be a little over the top, but I totally understand

We've never had a better shot at crushing the conservative horrorshow that's been running since Ronnie Raygun starting fucking things up, than we have now.

I fully agree that playing along with the media narrative that this flareup between Hillary and Barack, and the DLC crapping on John Edwards, is somehow more important than the ultimate prize--taking back the country.

I am fully committed to voting for ANY Democrat who wins the nomination. And I'll support that person as fully as I am able.

[BooScout]

34. Thank you........

I know we all think our candidate choice is the best. I know we are all passionate about our candidate, but more than anything...........is once we pick the nominee......every single Democrat needs to stand behind him or her.

The thought of Republicans in the White House yet again scares the hell out of me.

[bemildred]

35. I don't think incoherent fear is a sound basis for deciding how to vote. nt

[BooScout]

37. So you aren't afraid....

of another Republican in the White House for the next 4 to 8 years if the Democrats fall apart over the nomination of a Candidate?

[bemildred]

42. No, I would not like that, but I'm not "afraid" of it.

And I don't really see how hyperventilating and scaring the bejeezus out of the Democratic electorate helps "keep the party together". If you want to make an argument that we have to support Barney the Purple Dinosaur if he is our candidate, then make that argument.

I automatically distrust people that try to get me mad, scared, or angry. You can't think well when you are upset.

[butterfly77]

74. If you are not afraid of it then,,

you haven't been watching and listening,,, Mc Cain says he is calling for all americans to do some type of service and his last point was that the military needs to be built up and he will be calling on all americans to do so and there will be more wars...

[bemildred]

94. Please see post #35.

I didn't say I wasn't concerned. I came of age in 1966, I remember VietNam quite well, and I know all about the draft and government in crisis etc.

[bunkerbuster1]

51. erm, and I do?

WTF?

[bemildred]

52. I don't know, do you?

But I don't believe I mentioned you, specifically, or anyone but myself.

[HughMoran]

20. Your rhetoric is a little bit hot for me

But I still have to kick and recommend this post.

[BooScout]

23. Sorry........

But I got a bug up my butt about people not voting for any Democratic Candidate that's nominated. I sure as hell would vote for whoever is put up. And I will support them vehemently once nominated all the way thru the election. After the crap the Republicans have put us through the past 8 years the thought of any one of them cashing in on a Democrat disgruntled because their candidate lost the naomination just irks me a wee bit.

[HughMoran]

26. No need to be sorry

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4051715&mesg_id=4051992

I am with you on this...

[BooScout]

29. I can't read your link....

Whoever started the thread is on my ignore list.:evilgrin:

[HughMoran]

31. lol

I can understand why!

[gaspee]

45. mine too (NT)

[tandem5]

24. maybe I can put this in terms everybody can understand.

Obama supporters: In the face of ever-mounting obstacles let us show unity and hope!

Edwards supporters: We must not let the establishment and their corporate sponsors pit us against each other!

Clinton supporters: What has our experience taught us in our fight against the vast right-wing conspirators!?

Kucinich supporters: Fighting isn't the answer - let us vote together, in peace!

[bpeale]

58. I WILL TAKE NO LOYALTY OATHS, NOT NOW, NOT EVER!

as an Edwards supporter, I will vote for him in the GE if i have to write his name in on the ballot. that is my stance. period. i will not vote for Obama or Hillary as i don't feel they are what this country needs. They are divisive & will not unite the party.

[tandem5]

90. its coo... I'm sure McCain was exaggerating when he said

he didn't care if we stayed a hundred years in Iraq. It will probably only be half that in reality!

Yay for scruples!

[bpeale]

95. i'm voting for my candidate if i have to WRITE IN his name on the ballot

i don't care who the DLC is running. they will not dictate my vote. and i don't give a shit about McCain.

[Kermitt Gribble]

25. K&R for a great post!

Will vote Dem in 2008. Period.

[Chovexani]

27. A friend at work is a huge Obama supporter

And says if Clinton gets the nod he's voting McCain. :wtf:

Yeah, I don't know what that's about, either. I told him he could feel really good about himself once they start shipping us to the ex-gay camps (he's gay). Personally I'll hold my nose and vote for whoever the D is 'cause I'm scared as hell about the Supreme Court.

[butterfly77]

75. I heard Mc Cain on cspan the other day...

and he said in his own particular way that he will be calling for the draft..

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. Conform!! Or, the world will be set upon by plagues and earthquakes!!

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,...to take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1795.

“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." --John Quincy Adams

“Freedom for supporters of the government only, for members of one party only, no matter how big its membership may be is, no freedom at all. Freedom is always freedom for the man who thinks differently. “ Rosa Luxemburg

[pamela]

38. Excellent post. n/t

[TahitiNut]

30. Whenever I hear the argument "it could be worse" ...

... it's invariably been a precursor to exactly that. Worse. :shrug:

[peace13]

36. Why don't you just go to the zoo and antagonize the animals.

Why do you have to discuss this issue now. Those of us who are not represented by the 'top ' three have to suffer enough. Please wait until we know the true nominee before going there. Peace, Kim

[EndElectoral]

39. Sorry friend, I vote person and policies first, party second....last I heard this is still America

[BooScout]

40. No....this is DU

America is the next right.

[ismnotwasm]

41. You know what' s weird?

I've been there and done that. Never voted for the Democrats in the big elections, even though I thoroughly despised Ronald Reagan. (Locally, it was a different story) I always voted Socialist, or write in. Never voted for Clinton. Or Perot.
(No, I'm not a dedicated Socialist either, it's just closer than anything else toward how I feel. I was in the "they're all the same camp" and felt not of them represent my feelings on the issues.)

And then that horror, that utter and complete toxic waste of air, G.W. Bush actually made it to National elections.

I was stunned. Seriously. Even though I didn't care for many of Clinton's policies, I felt he was at least SANE. I got off my ass and voted Democrat. Fear driven? You bet. Even I could smell that obscenity in the wind. Perhaps it was living through the Reagan years as a young woman. I don't know. After he stole the election, I told a co-worker, who happened to be from Eritrea, and knew something of war, "We'll be at war in short order" She was surprised and impressed with my prediction. I don't know why, it only took a glance to see what was up with that bastard that those with him.

I admit to a certain ambivalence regarding the current crop of candidates. I do my own research, and stay out of arguments about them for the most part.

But I will be voting for the Democrat nominee.

[butterfly77]

77. Mc Cain is a warmonger...

and Romney only sees rich people in america.

[99th_Monkey]

43. If the nominee gets their delegates honestly in transparent fair elections, I'll support whoever

but now with only two state Primaries completed, there are already serious questions as to whether we'll ever know who the REAL
nominee should have been, based on REAL Democratically selected delegates... i.e. if we don't insist on cleaning up the NH mess,
we're already way fucked.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4053854

[gaspee]

44. Nice theory

I will not vote for Obama if he is the nominee. Why? Because of his using the gay community to get the black evangelical vote.

Why am I comfy and secure in not voting for him and not worried it will cause a republican in the white house - which is abou tthe worst thing I could imagine?

I live in RI. I feel quite comfortable that the RI vote will go 75/25 Dem/Rep - no matter who the nominees are.

If Obama gets the dem nom, I'm writing in Al Gore.

Not sure if I can vote for Clinton or not. I haven't made up my mind yet. The only one of the top three I'm sure I would vote for in the general is John Edwards.

So please do consider that some of us (I'd say Vermonters as well as RI'ers and probably a few other states -- are quite safe) will not affect the outcome if we refuse to vote for the nominee.

If I lived in a state where my vote mattered, I'd probably vote for him because my token protest vote isn't as important as making sure there isn't a president McCain/Romney/Huckebee.

But like I said - RI - I don't need to vote for the nominee. Hell, I don't need to vote at all. I'd vote straight ticket dem - just like 80% of the people in my state.

[bvar22]

46. !

If the Democratic Party nominates another conservative ProWAR/AntiLABOR "Centrist" candidate, expect to see mass defections to a 3rd Party Populist candidate.

This is NOT the voter's fault.

It is the Democratic Party's fault.

[bonito]

47. And your live where?

LOL

[BooScout]

48. What does my location have to do with anything?

Last time I checked I was still an American. Does my vote not count?

[Desertrose]

84. Your vote counts but you are in a whole other world over in UK.

...so your bitchin' about what happens here, when you are NOT here,seems to have a bit of a hollow ring to it.

We should all go to Freepervile cause we disagree with you? Yeah. Of course that makes sense.

Right.

:eyes:

[Yuugal]

49. take your authoritarian bullshit and piss off nt

[Raine]

50. I'll vote my conscience

that's all I have to say.

[Two Americas]

53. very destructive and dishonest

"All of you who won't commit to staying with your job no matter what your boss does need to get out now! You are hurting the company."

"All of you who won't support America no matter what the government does need to get out now! You are hurting the country."

"All of you who won't commit to eating your food no matter what the waiter brings you can just leave now!"

Loyalty tests are unforgivable and are dishonest. They are highly destructive to any organization.

How people vote - we do have the secret ballot in this country - is their own damned business.

People have the right to speak freely without being threatened with expulsion from the group and attacked. If people want to express their dissatisfaction with an organization by suggesting that they might leave if it doesn't improve have every right to do so without being intimidated.

Loyalty tests are a dishonest and slimy way to attempt to suppress free expression. They are absolute poison and can only hurt the party. Your remarks are divisive, malicious and mean-spirited and have no legitimate or constructive place in the discussion.

We tolerate all sorts of carefully couched right wing talking points, and those are much more destructive. We have hundreds of vicious attack posts against candidates and their supporters. If someone wants to blow off steam or express their dissatisfaction with the party, I think they should have every right to do so even to the point of saying that they can't support the party or a particular politician. That seems healthy to me, and represents no danger especially in comparison to the other things that go on here.

[ileus]

55. Don't worry, they'll all be voting for Hillary in November.

[bpeale]

59. i won't & you can take that to the bank

[walldude]

56. I'm sorry but I've already been told in a previous DU thread

that if I don't vote for Al Gore the world will end, and this "poster" was as serious as you are. So I'm in kind of a bind here, do I write in Al Gore to save the world or vote for the person you tell me to to keep America from turning permanently into "freeperville"?
Or do I tell all you sanctimonious holier than thou's to mind your own fucking business and vote for the person I believe is best suited for the job?

Shit, it's looking good for Al Gore. Can't let the world end.

[mike_c]

57. no thank you-- I vote on the issues, not for parties....

If the dem nominee is right on the issues that are important to me and my country, then I will proudly vote democratic. If the nominee gets it wrong, I'd be a fool to help them get into office. This isn't a football match, where we all root for "our team." We're talking about the future of America. A bad dem candidate is no better for America than a bad republican candidate.

[auburngrad82]

62. Out of curiosity, what GOP issues float your boat?

Just wondering.

I can't think of any issue where the GOP leans my way.

[mike_c]

64. huh? who said anything about the GOP?

I'm not sure what you're talking about. There aren't any "GOP issues" that I'm aware of, or at least that I care about. There are conservative positions on many of the issues that are important to me-- many held by GOPers-- and there are liberal positions on those same issues. I'm an unrepentant liberal, so I can't think of a single instance where I'm in agreement with conservative positions, but of course this is at least partly because the issues that are important to me are selected from a liberal perspective.

My difficulty at the polls is just the opposite, really-- it's that recent democratic party candidates are too much like the GOP on many of the most pressing issues. I don't support conservative political perspectives, or even "moderate" ones most of the time.

[auburngrad82]

65. I wasn't trying to be a smartass

But you said you voted issues, not parties. I was just curious, what would make you vote GOP over Dem. From your reply it looks like nothing. Carry on...

[mike_c]

67. no worries-- I didn't take your reply as smartass....

It just confused me a bit.

I've been voting since the early 1970s and have never voted for a republican, but I WOULD in the impossibly unlikely event that one was as liberal a candidate as I'm seeking. Party ID means little to me these days-- I see the real struggle as being between conservative ideals and liberal ideals. Mostly I vote for dems and greens now, with occasional forays into other indie parties when their candidates out-liberal the usual suspects, mostly in state and local races.

[auburngrad82]

68. Pretty much the same here

I tend to be very liberal on social issues but I'd like to see a little more fiscal responsibility. The Dems do seem to be a little more fiscally responsible, despite the GOP's labelling of us as tax and spend Democrats.

In the last local election I did in fact vote for a republican candidate for a local judgeship because the Democratic candidate had previously run as a GOP candidate and couldn't get elected. She also had a husband with an extensive criminal record (embezzlement, etc) and I could not vote for her. Even the local Democratic party endorsed the GOP candidate over the fake Dem.

[TerwilligeRedux]

60. This is the most important election in the history of American politics

...just like the last one was...and the one before...and the one before that

[dkofos]

61. So let's all vote for the corporatists that are being shoved down our throats.

Sorry, but I, like Dennis Kucinich have refused to sign the democrat loyalty oath.

[Individualist]

63. You don't control others' votes,

so grow the fuck up and face reality yourself.

I vote in my best interests.

[JTFrog]

66. My vote is mine, you deal with it.

Follow or be Doomed!!!

Shun the non believers!!!!

SHUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!

[countryjake]

69. Americans compromising their principles to vote...

is exactly why this country so badly needs redeeming.

You could use a history lesson on "last chances".

I don't know a soul who isn't disturbed about the rash of restrictions on our inherent rights that our government has so glibly enacted during the past twenty-five years...notice that I didn't distinguish any party to blame for these acts, mainly because I hold them both responsible, which they are. Continue at this rate and we have rounded the corner to fascism. That is what I'd consider a dire situation and I don't see or hear any one on my tv talking about it at these presidential hooplas or even bringing it up, at all.

Most everyone I know wants us to get the fuck out of the Middle East...NOW! I live in a nation where more than 60% of the people believe that we've created one mighty mess in Iraq and most probably realize now that it was done consciously and deliberately. I hear no one on my tv talking about it or even bringing it up, at all. That, my friend, is truly a puzzling conundrum, considering that we are approaching a national election.

My family doctor, who had handled most of my family's medical problems for years, told us one day that we would need to be "signed up" for some bullshit to continue seeing him, despite the fact that I'd paid him out of my own pocket at the time of each visit, never owed him a penny in outstanding fees, and fully appreciated his medical care. That was sixteen years ago and I haven't had a regular doctor since. I don't ever intend to pay for the upkeep of some giant glass skyscraper and fund any insurance company when all I need is an educated, caring hand with a thermometer and a stethoscope. Not-for-profit health care is desperately needed in this country...is anybody talking about it?

My oil man just pulled out of my driveway and left a bill for $501.21 hanging on my door. Last month's hasn't been paid yet. Most everyone I know wears long johns under layers of clothes, in their homes, and dread a cold snap, cause they cannot afford to pay their furnace heat. I've got one good stove sitting here, cold, and a woods full of alder twenty feet from my back door, but I don't burn it cause I give a shit about the glaciers upriver from my home. I do, occasionally, hear them talking about this on my tv, but that's usually only when there's a pollution alert or some old person has been found frozen to death in their home or when some other nation has decided to strengthen their commitment to Kyoto. I sure haven't heard that Treaty mentioned at any presidential debate.

My vote is something I've always held dear throughout my life. I don't compromise it for folk who won't discuss or take action on what I feel is direly important to my country. It's worth more than that.

[Ediacara]

71. I will not ever vote for Obama. Period.

If he's the nominee, I won't vote for him. I won't vote against him, and I won't not vote, but I cannot cast a vote for him. His overt religiosity and pandering to bigots is nothing more than Republican-Lite, and quite frankly propelling him to the presidency is a great disservice to the Democratic Party.

[MadHound]

72. All of you who will vote

For a corporately compromised candidate who is our nominee, congratulations, you're part of the problem.

Just gotta love that two party/same corporate master system of government:eyes: Gee, how's that working out? Never mind, I can see with my own eyes.

[LanternWaste]

79. Voting for the eventual Democratic nominee is 'part of the problem'?

Voting for the eventual Democratic nominee is 'part of the problem'? As opposed to what-- voting for the eventual GOP nominee?

[MadHound]

85. As opposed to voting in your's and the country's best interest, time and time again

People need to face the fact that both parties are beholden to corporations, that neither party is putting people first, and that both parties really don't give a damn about the ordinary guy except in terms of consuming, providing cheap labor and plentiful bodies for the war machine. Other than that, it is corporate America who gets the proper care and feeding from our government, not us.

Until enough people realize this fact and break out of this two party mindset, this country will continue its decline.

[butterfly77]

73. I am voting for whomever it is...

[LanternWaste]

78. I think we have one of the strongest groups of Democratic nominees

I think we have one of the strongest groups of Democratic nominees we've had in a long, long time. As things stand now, I won't be compelled to hold my nose and vote for the eventual candidate-- I'll loudly and proudly vote for the eventual nominee.

And while I certainly don't think this is our last chance, I will be interested to see how many DU posters while hold to their... 'convictions' and vote third party/Paul (and hopefully end their puerile and petty posturing here).

[BooScout]

82. I agree........

It's my opinion the current field is MUCH stronger than last time around. I just don't get all these people who either won't vote if their choice is not nominated or even worse will vote for the GOP or 3rd party candidate. To me that's akin to sabotaging the GE and increasing the chances of the GOP holding on to the WH.

[uppityperson]

80. So if I don't vote how you want, it'll be all my fault?

Okey dokey.

[ToeBot]

81. Welcome to the pile, jackboot. nt

[DFW]

83. I will vote for the party's nominee

Any talk of ANY Democrat nominating an abomination like Alito
to the Supreme Court is so much horse shit, and I have two daughters
who are American citizens, and ALL Republicans want another SC Justice
who will vote to rescind a woman's right to an abortion, where ALL
Democrats will vote for her right to choose for herself.

It's everyone's right to not vote for whomever they please, but my
two girls have a bigger thing at stake. It goes way beyond Republicans
screaming "libbrul!" or Democrats screaming "corporate!" every time
they want to bash the other side. To me, this time, it's more personal
than ever, and that is why I am tearing my hair out that Al Gore is not
running, because then I wouldn't have to make up my mind for one of those
still running. But that indecision does tell me that there are pluses
and minuses to all of our candidates, and the worst minuses of the least
palatable Democrat don't begin to negate the putrid stench that would be
seeping out of the White House if we have yet another Republican presidency.

Blind loyalty? No. I'm not that reliable. But a deeply-set self-preservation
instinct will lead me to vote Democratic this time. The primary is the
tough one to decide for me this year. The General will be a no-brainer.

[1awake]

86. when the time comes,

I may have to make the choice between the lesser of two evils, or voting my conscious. I do not yet know if the situation presented itself.. could I actually vote for Hillary. Right now, the answer is no. Time will tell if this changes based on what circumstances we find ourselves in at a later date. Not every choice is black and white.. and people who say always or never, especially at this stage of the game, should realize that these types of reactions are pointless / knee jerk / articulations of ideas that we only have half of the information on. Slow down everyone.. take a deep breath, and lets move forward.

[donheld]

87. Kick and Recommend

[B Calm]

88. I'm tired of voting for republican lites.

[Generator]

89. I just love being threatened by "my people"

I will never be blackmailed by a "Democrat" again.

My vote is mine, not yours, and you can threaten me all you want but if you think that will work; but personally I think your bullying argument is totally worthless and doesn't change one vote or one mind.