Those of you who scream about jobs being "shipped" out of the country, I want to hear some screaming

[RB TexLa]

about this! It want to hear about protests being organized by you. Let's hear your outrage about these jobs being shipped out of the country.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080113/bs_nm/autoshow_vw_plant_dc_3">Jobs shipped out of country

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

1. I'm more concerned about the jobholders being shipped to Iraq.

[asthmaticeog]

2. I don't scream with you.

[RB TexLa]

3. I'm not screaming about it.

[knitter4democracy]

4. Funny, they built a plant in China years ago.

So, they're just now getting around to North America, and I'm supposed to complain about it? My stepdad's dad was a VW VP who went around and supervised plant building. They have a plant in Africa he helped get off the ground and one in China he helped with, too. They're just now getting to us, and you think we should stand in solidarity with the Germans or something? I don't get it.

[Deja Q]

8. Also, the parts being welded together in America. Where were these parts manufactured?

Put together in the US (of Chinese and other imported parts) should be considered in the event of a recall as well. Given the offshoring trend and the current result, there are only so many inferences...

[MannyGoldstein]

5. Fortunately, The US Has Become A Low-Wage Country

Thank goodness.

[Deja Q]

6. There is more than one POV to be thought of. Pity I'm not militant enough to summarily reject it.

In a "globalized market", costs would be equal and any part could be made anywhere else -- assuming it was low cost and good quality so the customers would remain working for me. If I was a manager.

Unfortunately, what's written on paper and what happens in real life are two disparate realities.

One thing is incontrovertible: The IT jobs we're exporting is not exploiting those who take them. The H1Bs are not coming here with guns trained at their heads either. There is obviously monetary incentive for them to do the work. China, having said many times it's pulled over 1/3rd its population out of poverty (and that's almost half a billion people!), shouldn't be returning the favors with (the huge list of faulty, toxic, or deadly products that will have the global market abandoning them like anyone would abandon the bubonic plague and China won't be able to spin that at all...)

Mind you, the media always seems to say "multinational corporations" when "globalization" is going well. The moment there's a problem, we're back to "US corporation" once again. Or that's how I'm perceiving it...

Once America's cost of living matches China's and India's, our economy will be prosperous again too.

Meanwhile, try to bookmark any article where somebody benefiting from globalization is saying "We want to see the US have its comeuppance". There is a difference between criticism and backstabbing. And, to me, "comeuppance" sounds like frontstabbing.

I think things will even out in the end when the day is said and done and we will be a proper global community of prosperity. That would be nice.

[RB TexLa]

10. I think we can have global prosperity as well. I want to hear about the boycotts being planned by

the isolationists.

[martymar64]

7. We're now officially Third World.

I thought it would happen a little sooner but here we are.

[annabanana]

14. There it is.. our wages are depressed, the dollar is in the crapper,

the unions are on their last legs. . pretty soon it'll cheaper to hire Americans than 10 year old Bangladeshi orphans..

[madrchsod]

22. yes we are

a chinesse middle class worker has about the same standard of living as an american.

[dysfunctional press]

9. it's up to germans to complain about jobs being shipped out of germany...

to a plant in mexico.

[Richard Steele]

11. What a nonsensical post.

[RB TexLa]

12. There are people on here who say they oppose shipping jobs out of country on principle

either they have principles or they don't. I'd expect them to start an online boycott petition by tomorrow.

[Richard Steele]

13. This is your absolute LAMEST flamefest attempt yet. Just an utterly pathetic thread.

nm

[Wiley50]

25. Seems Dangerous for a Man Living on Oil Royalties from Wells on his Property

as I've seen him post several times before.

He's the only democrat I've heard of doing that before.

And, if I must be the one to say, apparently doing much better than most of the Louisianians

I've heard of post Katrina. But then, his assets are all underground

[RB TexLa]

29. Hardly my only source of income, as far as the "living on" part.

[high density]

17. You're a bit late to the party I think

Toyota is already doing this... If you think we're supposed to be outraged on behalf of the Japanese, Germans, or whoever, then I don't know what your motive is or why you are here.

Here is an article from three years ago:

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0501/06/C03-52029.htm">VW won't build U.S. manufacturing plant

Volkswagen AG, Europe's biggest carmaker, won't build a manufacturing plant in the United States and instead will rely on increased production from factories in Mexico and Brazil, the company's chief executive said. The company in December said it would be "careless" not to consider building in the United States, particularly for models conceived for the U.S. market, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reported, citing Georg Flandorfer, marketing and sales head for the Volkswagen brand. Volkswagen lost as much as 1.2 billion euros ($1.6 billion) in the United States last year, said Frank Witter, chief executive of Volkswagen of America, in an interview today at the Los Angeles show. He cited the dollar's decline against the euro, which makes imports from Europe to the United States more expensive, as one reason.

Evidently the continued slide of the dollar has made the idea of manufacturing here more economical for a European company, and I guess they're going to place their bets that the dollar is going to be depressed for quite some time to come. It still remains to be seen though if any new plant is built in the USA instead of Mexico or Canada.

[RB TexLa]

18. I just want to see the isolationists act on their "principles" and oppose this.

[mother earth]

15. So those protests can be ignored by MSM like the ones against

the war? This is one of the biggest reasons I support Edwards. When you realize the corporations control the media, and really our gov't....the disgust with corporate lobbyist money controlling our elections explains it all. Every damn problem we are up against is thanks to corporations buying influence. Cure the stranglehold of this corporate democracy & you stop the bleed. We stop the money bleed for war/Iraq, you stop the bleed of jobs and outsourcing, you stop the phoney need for more visas because we American aren't "qualified" when corporate profits want slave labor. They just plain don't want to answer to any country with labor law.

RGBolen, I am working for Edwards to be the nominee, so sweetie, I'm organizing, the best way I know how. The only way that will ultimately make a difference.

[Subdivisions]

16. I think you will see that, as we slip into second- and third-

world status as peak oil and global warming tighten their grip and as the dollar becomes even more devalued, you will see more foriegn manufacturing coming to the US just as it went from this country to places like Mexico, Bangladesh and China, to name a few. Manufacturers are bound now by the global economic system to go where the cheap labor is and, apparently, there are some manufacturers that are already making plans for it.

[MiniMe]

19. That was a major issue in Kerry's campaign

The problem was, nobody listened. And now, it has only gotten worse. Kerry was right about just about everything he said during the 2004 campaign.

[RB TexLa]

20. I don't remember Kerry opposing anyone building a plant in America.

[AndyTiedye]

24. Changing the Tax Incentives to Bring Jobs Home WAS a Big Part of Kerry's Platform

but you never got to hear that on TV. Drowned out by the Swift Boat liars :grr:

[MiniMe]

30. Exactly. He was going to tax corporations who outsourced jobs overseas

To give a level playing field to unemployed US workers.

[madrchsod]

21. they had a plant in the usa

my daughter makes parts for volkswagen and many other car assemblers from around the world that consist of many parts from around the world...

i`ve lost two well paying union jobs in my life-jobs i could have retired from because those jobs were moved to mexico then to china and beyond. the steel mill that i worked at went under because the chinese undercut the price per ton. we had the largest most efficient steel casting production in the usa but there was nothing we could do about our governments trade policy...

[EstimatedProphet]

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[TahitiNut]

26. Why don't you come to Michigan and sing the praises of Volkswagen ...

... to FORMER Volkswagen employees??? Like my late uncle? :eyes:

[RB TexLa]

27. I'm not praising anyone. I'm just wanting to see the isolationists oppose this

based on their principles of opposing jobs being shipped out of a country.

[Ikonoklast]

28. Or New Stanton, PA?

As soon as Volkswagen lost market share, they closed that assembly plant in a tax-abated minute.

RGBolen, swallower of right-wing talking points.

[flvegan]

31. A North American plant could be in Mexico, you know.

Already got a few down there.

[RB TexLa]

32. That would be an easy protest for them "They aren't Merican, they don't deserve jobs"