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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:30 PM
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if I listened to all the reasons why I shouldn't vote for Clinton, Obama or Edwards
or anyone else left in the race - I might as well not vote

the way these candidates are being ripped up here, they are made to sound as bad as the republics. I started out this morning by hiding all the threads mentioning Clinton, Obama or Edwards - then I realized this was a losing battle.

perhaps it's time to move the primary wars to it's own forum, preferable with a large cage around it.



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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:32 PM
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1. So... if something is not perfect, you get rid of it? Wow, no one would be with anyone....
... everyone would hate one another. There'd be no getting along. I'd be hell if we used that mode of thinking and applied it to life.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:39 PM
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7.  let the pissing contest go on in it's own forum
I am so sick and tired of reading all the flames - it makes me sick. how's this for a compromise - set up a "sick of the pissing contest" forum?
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:40 PM
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8. No, it's not a pissing contest or a contest between you and me.....
... I'm asking if you have to have a perfect candidate, in order to vote for them, or not? If you expect perfection in everyone, then you are likely a person that expects perfection in life in general. Don't take this and try to turn it into a pissing contest, which is not except that you wish it would be.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:42 PM
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10. who's talking about a perfect candidate?
....arrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh...nevermind
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:49 PM
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15. You. nt
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:48 PM
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13. "not perfect"?
:rofl:



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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:53 PM
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17. Like kids - if they can't have the MOST expensive toy, they will throw a tantrum on the floor
That's exactly what it is every time I hear one of the handful of people who say, "Well, I can't have EXACTLY what I want in candidates 1, 2 and 3, so I ain't voting, nya nya nya SO THERE!"

It's so F stupid. Excuse me for saying so. Complete immaturity.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:34 PM
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2. Absolutely ....
If all the passionate criticisms offered here were to be followed to their universal conclusion: We could not in our right minds vote for a single person .....

Yet: I find each and every one in the Democratic field eminently worthy of our vote ....

Each and every one ......

The candidate partisans are ego driven ....
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:35 PM
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3. If you've spent any time over at the Freeptards
you'll see they're going through the same thing. There is no heir apparent in either party, this is the most volatile election in my lifetime. The last time anything was this fluid, we sure didn't have the Internet around to give every individual person a shot at voicing an opinion on it that was available to the world.

It's part of the political process, I'm sure this sort of fratricide happened a long time ago, but just verbally, and in low-circulation writings. We'll get over it.

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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:05 PM
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20. Agreed ... just be glad ...
that the GOP is undergoing the same thing, perhaps even far more divided.

I don't like any of the GOP candidates, although some make me even more sick to my stomach than others. I've seen & heard where certain folks on the right just out and out dispise some of the the candidates they have to pick from, which leads me to believe that they'll end up nominating someone who will alienate a significant portion of the GOP base. The bible-thumpers hate Rudy & Romney, and the fiscal conservatives think Huckabee & McCain are sellouts. The one guy that I think could possibly limit GOP infighting is Thompson, and it doesn't appear as though he's going to be a factor. And then there's Ron Paul, who has it right regarding the war (yes, even some die-hard republicans can see what a mistake that's been), but will never be a factor other than to make their debates more interesting.

I think we'll be down to 2 candidates after South Carolina, unless Edwards pulls the upset. After Super Tuesday, there will need to be some serious patching up of differences on the Democrat side, but we should have an idea of who the nominee (& next POTUS) will be. The GOP may end up taking it to the convention floor. That would be a hoot.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:36 PM
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4. Some are truths, some are lies
It's YOUR responsibility to do your own fact checking and decide the truth. It's not hard. Go to web sites, look at speeches, and see what's what.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:41 PM
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9. I've done that and have made up my own mind
I was just commenting on the stupidity of ripping each other up

so who do I support? All of them - they will all be a good choice.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:56 PM
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19. They'd all be better than any Republican
They would not all be a good choice. If you don't know that yet, then with all sincerity, you haven't done your homework.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:36 PM
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5. I just hid all the harsh threads
It's interesting looking now. If everyone did this, the angry fighting would not get kicked and would fade away...
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:38 PM
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6. Or focus more on the issues and positions of each candidate
We need more discussion of why X,Y or Z candidate has a better plan for dealing with the important issues in this race.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:43 PM
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11. I would love that. The pie throwing is messing up the whole joint. n/t
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:49 PM
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16. It's disheartening.
*sigh*


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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:44 PM
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12. I'm not hiding threads.....
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 12:46 PM by BooScout
But I am putting certain rabid posters on ignore and it seems to be working. Funny thing is.....while I thought the nastiness I have seen here recently was a lot of people......it's apparently just a few who are prolific in their ugliness towards some candidates.

I have no problem with people that attack the issues but when people start attacking others here then they go on my ignore list as do those that post nothing but caca just to get a rise out of people. It's amazing how much calmer I come away from here now that I have starting to use the ignore feature.

With so many posting at DU, I just think of it as throwing out the trash.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:48 PM
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14. threads I've hidden this morning
Obama smacks down Hillary's MTP

Hillary Clinton Defends 2002 Iraq War Vote - And A Great HuffPo Response !!!

Hillary's Labor Problem: Her Campaign Mgr. is CEO of a UNION-BUSTING PR Frim

Hillary's Lawyer Supporter Kummer Sues 4 Union To DISENFRANCHISE HISPANIC, UNION VOTE IN LAS VEGAS!!

Clinton, Obama and Edwards Need to "Put Up Or Shut Up"

Heads up. Sen. Clinton may have had another *emotional* moment today.

Obama on McClurkin, GLBT issues: (from The Advocate)

AGAIN!!!!!....Hilliary is JUST Not Believable

Aren't you glad Hillary voted for the Kyle /Lieberman amendment?

Hilly has a hidden EARPIECE on Russert... WTF? **PICS**

if anyone wants me - I'll be in the lounge
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:54 PM
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18. And these things upset your sensibilities savagely?
You are either suffering from tremendously high anxiety and require a month in the country with no TV, no radio and no humans, or something else is up.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:07 PM
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21. It makes me wish I could wave a wand and have the "Super Primary"
already passed. By then a winner should (sadly, given how early it will be in the process and how many of us will not have voted) be emerging - and while it will get hotter in the short term - it will finally start to cool down.

A primary war cage-match place would be sorta nice... for those of us who have not decided to climb soundly into one corner or another.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:39 PM
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22. The GD-P forum was set up in 2004 specifically for that very purpose. It was named GD-PRIMARY!
The name was changed to "GD-Politics" after the 2004 election, when the admins decided to keep the extra forum since DU was growing so fast and GD was already very crowded. Keeping the name as "GD-Primary" obviously wouldn't have made sense, so it was renamed.

When GD-P was still functioning as GD-Primary, the segregation of all candidate advocacy/criticism threads to GD-P was generally well-enforced, and it was a great relief to many of us. It may have saved DU from completely imploding.

I would VERY much like to see that same clear separation of candidate posts to their own forum, GD-P, happen in this primary season. Like, a month ago, if not sooner.

sw

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