Is homophobia as bad as racism or sexism?

[terrya]

Yes or no?

[Dogmudgeon]

1. It's ALL bad

--p!

[NJCher]

2. yes

Cher

[LostinVA]

3. Well, I think we all know my opinion

[Glorfindel]

4. Well, I certainly think so

having experienced it. On the other hand, I have no idea what it's like to be a woman or a person of color, so all I can vouch for is my own experience. They're ALL bad.

[NMMNG]

5. Yes

Undeniably. No matter what the excuse it.

[B Calm]

6. What! You mean you are not scared of happily married gay couples

roaming the streets late at night and gang raping straight people, thus turning them into flaming homosexuals too?

[TerwilligeRedux]

7. Ask a black lesbian

she might be able to give a credible answer to this question

[Blue-Jay]

8. She?

Who are you talking about?

[Skittles]

11. er,,,,I think the poster is talking in general terms

don't you think - as in, a black lesbian would be a "she". I could be wrong but I think that's it.

[Blue-Jay]

12. Ah.

I see.

It was still an odd thing to post.

[TerwilligeRedux]

21. a black lesbian n/t

[EFerrari]

25. Black lesbians already have enough on their hands --

what with reorganizing the literature in our culture this generation.

lol

In praise of what persists.

[EFerrari]

18. Welcome to DU, TerwilligeRedux.

:)

[Chovexani]

30. It is.

There.

[Skittles]

9. absolutely yes

I believe it is worse - I don't think teenagers kill themselves because they find out they are black or female

[tnlefty]

10. In my mind, yes.

But what do I know.

[TahitiNut]

13. As an individual ethical failing, yes. In terms of the harm caused? No.

The harm caused by racism is (cumulatively) GENERATIONAL ... it's inherited. Those benefited by racism pass on their advantage to their children and so on. Those harmed pass on their DISadvantage to their children and so on. Succeeding generations inherit both their race and the advantage/disadvantage that our socioeconomic system guarantees. It's monstrously unfair, imho.

The harm caused by sexism affects all, male and female, across all 'classes' ... but we don't inherit the disadvantage or advantage. We all have parents of both genders. (Even though I was raised by a single mother ... and so I 'might' claim 'special' harm.) We apparently all have the same 'opportunity' to have gay children ... or even parents.

This is NOT an apologetic for a "lesser evil" ... no way. The corruption of the "SOUL" of any such bigotry is a ROT ... sewage.

[Occam Bandage]

15. Seconded.

[EFerrari]

17. I was raised by a single mother. No one at my high school cared

very much if I graduated. I know that because I had to go try to dig up my records to apply to Cal. They weren't anywhere. The good people at my school district didn't expect me to apply to college because I came from one of "those" families. I kid you not. :shrug:

Homophobia and sexism do make their ugly way across generations, too.

[TahitiNut]

20. I had similar experiences.

But the ADVANTAGE of being WHITE and MALE and STRAIGHT clearly dwarfed the 'inheritance' of being raised by a single (divorced - father not in picture) mother. And I DON'T inheirit her gender. We DO inherit our race.

[EFerrari]

22. Clearly you got better treatment because of your . . . attributes.

lol

I swear, I could have fallen into a ditch and died and my high school counselor wouldn't have noticed. And, it would have mostly been because my little mom wouldn't have been able to beat him up.

This needn't be some kind of competition. Melanin marks us in this culture. But, so do single moms and gay parents -- for now. I may be a nutcase optimist but the LGBT movement fills me with hope I haven't felt lo, these many years.

Maybe we'll get to see it. :)

[VotesForWomen]

35. the harm of sexism is most definitely passed on to the next generation, and harm is more than econom

economic. parents who believe that wives should be subject to their husbands (try to) raise their daughters to believe the same thing. (by the way, i consider that to be harm). a mother's loss of dignity and sense of possibilities for her own life are passed on to her daughters. a father's belief in his 'rightful' authority over his wife is passed on to his sons. this should hardly need to be pointed out.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

61. on the other hand, homophobia is literally killing gay black men.

so i dont see how its lesser of an evil.

the disenfranchisement from society at large (from racism) and from their own society (homophobia) is causing black men to behave in more self destructive ways (unprotected sex) and the hiv rates is staggering.

[NorthernSpy]

82. good point!

:thumbsup:

[TahitiNut]

93. Thanks. Seems obvious. After all, who says ...

"My great grandparents were all homosexuals not allowed to vote or own property."
or
"My great grandparents were all women brought to this country in chains."

Hell ... who'd even know?
One thing's for sure ... we know the race of our ancestors a LOT more than anything else.

[EFerrari]

14. Homophobia is racism and sexism.

All the "isms" are a way to dehumanize people.

[TahitiNut]

16. Yup. It's OBJECTIFICATION of a human being. Commodities.

It puts PEOPLE on some 'shelf' as though we're differently valued according to some demographic that has NOTHING to do with our hearts, our brains, our souls, our ethics, oru ability to love, nurture, and be loved and nurtured.

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[B Calm]

43. damn...

[gollygee]

47. are you serious?

wow.

[Flubadubya]

48. Homophobic much?

[EFerrari]

50. LOL!

[LostinVA]

51. You're breaking DU rules

But you already know that, bigot.

[gollygee]

53. Also has no idea about what the rules of physics are

the use of "rules of physics" in that post has me scratching my head. Which rules of physics does he/she think are being broken?

Crazy things people think.

I alerted and a ton of others probably did to but it's still there at this point.

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[mondo joe]

56. How stupid. If being gay defied the laws of physics, there'd be no gays. But there are.

So you're full of shit, troll.

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[mondo joe]

64. One can't compromise the laws of physics. You are confused. NT

[yungCaucasoid]

69. And *you are* in need of reading comprehension?

[mondo joe]

71. No, but you are in need of remedial tutoring in biology, physics and critical thought.

Expect your stone diploma soon.

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[mondo joe]

75. What a peculiar fixation on "sin". You are projecting your own repressed infantile

drives onto others without your sad limitations.

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[bicentennial_baby]

59. Christ, is it Homophobe Bonanza weekend on DU?

:banghead:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

67. i think some bridge fell down and the troll had to find a new house

[mondo joe]

66. God has no will in civil law. You might prefer life in a Taliban run theocracy, but such is

not the case in the United States.

[libnnc]

77. Wow. Your interenet GPS is waaay screwed up.

Are you lost or what?

We're Pro-Sinful Democrats!!11111!!!!

Praise Jeebus!!111!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Hey Mods, can we play with him a bit longer? :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

78. Just because you can't get laid, don't take it out on gay people.

Dumbass.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

81. good one.

:loveya: come on over tonight.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

62. aww poor ignorant soul. i pity you.

[yungCaucasoid]

65. If you can't show I post mistruths? Then you should only pity yourself...fair?

...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

68. you do. except that you are too blind to see them. you are lying to yourself to justify your hatred

of what you may not understand

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[mondo joe]

73. I assure you, same sex couples make it work splendidly. One wonders what pitiful little

idea of sex is in your head.

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[mondo joe]

79. I do know what sex is. But you don't.

And that's why you're a doomed little dinosaur, destined for extinction and obscurity.

If you really are young, you have an opportunity to turn your life around and join reality. Learn physics and biology, history and critical thinking. Save yourself, before it's too late and you are buried in the dung heap of history along with all the other backward idiots.

[libnnc]

80. Here's yer sign...

[uppityperson]

87. Indeedy.

[blues90]

19. They all fall into the same catagory , IGNORANCE

[IndianaJones]

23. In our country at this time its worse because it is generally acceptable. nt.

[Lex]

27. yep, how about that "Chuck & Larry" film from last year

for just one example

[RedCappedBandit]

24. Hate is hate..

what difference does it make who its directed towards?

[shanti]

33. right on

:thumbsup:

[indimuse]

41. agreed!

:eyes:

[madrchsod]

26. yes

[MedleyMisty]

28. All prejudice is equally horrible and wrong and nasty and bad

And really it all stems from the same mindset and starts in the same place - being abused/taught to hate as a kid.

[Fovea]

29. Fear and Hatred of the Other is ecumenical

And is only a matter of locality as to which effigy gets burned.

You fight it over there, you fight it on your block.

[mondo joe]

31. Yes. NT

[bridgit]

32. As a practical matter: yes, homophobia, racism & sexism are parts of the same...

cacophony of bigotries

[VotesForWomen]

34. what is the point of trying to 'rank' these things? either it's wrong, or it's not. nt

[blondeatlast]

44. Precisely. One way "they" keep us all down is by exploiting and separating the hate.

A remark isn't racist/sexist/homophobic, it's bigoted, simple as that.

Welcome to DU; I noticed your posts in another thread and am impressed! Glad you found us! :toast:

[Echo In Light]

36. Misogyny is the root of homophobia

[VotesForWomen]

86. correct. nt

[JerseygirlCT]

90. Good point. nt

[philosophie_en_rose]

37. Is being stabbed in the gut as bad as being set on fire?

:wtf:

There are differences, but it's impossible to quantify.

[Karenina]

38. YES.

[blondeatlast]

39. There's no us vs. them in the perpetual battle against hatred. They all are killers.

Hate kills, maims, destroys, and rots.

We're in this together.

[H2O Man]

40. Yes.

It is.

[mwb970]

45. Yes. It's basically the same thing. /nt

[dsc]

46. It should be

but it clearly isn't thought to be at this time. It is virtually impossible for a homophobe to have his or her career derailed while a racist almost certainly will. Sexism's punishment falls inbetween somewhere. One whole political party campaigns on offical, sanctioned homophobia while it wouldn't dare, no matter how much it might want to, campaign on officially sanctioned racism or sexism. Like it or not, the majority of the country, and I dare say even many gays, feel homophobia is more acceptable than either racism or sexism.

[gollygee]

49. Yes, they're all very bad and very wrong

Anything that limits people's rights and potential for irrelevant reasons is wrong.

[Canuckistanian]

52. Show me a homphobe and I'll show you a racist, sexist bigot

The traits usually go hand in hand.

It's just that homophobia is safe to express in America (legally, anyways). So what you're seeing is all the bigots who would normally be attacking minorities and women.

Behind closed doors they're the same.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

57. homophobia kills. so yes, its as bad as racism and sexism.

[pleah]

58. YES!

[Kajsa]

60. Absolutely!

Just look at Matthew Shepherd.

;(

[ldf]

70. geez louise.

:puke:

[applegrove]

83. There is no hierarchy to human rights. A country can fight for all these

groups at the same time.

[JerseygirlCT]

91. Well said.

They are all symptomatic of the same horrible rot, and must ALL be rooted out in order for us to prosper. A human right is a human right, and each of us depends on the free exercise of those rights by every other person.

[applegrove]

92. Yes we do depend on a healthy, happy, free and predjudice free

society to live well and prosper. No two ways about it.

[Rex]

84. bad and good are relative terms. I prefer to think of it like this

homophobia, racism, sexism, bigotry, hate speech, they all stem from one emotion - malice and one mental state - willful ignorance.

Now in my world view, these are 'bad' things. They don't want to get along with the rest of the world. People with malice want to hurt and be cruel. They are the tortures and the executioners of the world. To them, the normal state is to destruct and be negative.

[AGirl]

85. is Transphobia?

[Der Blaue Engel]

94. Yes, but sadly you're going to see it here with unpleasant frequency

x(

Welcome to DU, AGirl! :hi:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

95. yes.

[ismnotwasm]

88. Yes

To my mind it's closely tied with misogyny and sexism.

[JerseygirlCT]

89. Yes

As I've been saying, along with sexism, it seems to be an "acceptable" bigotry still. It's pretty deeply ingrained I think, in older generations.

Thankfully, I do think that's changing pretty dramatically with our younger people now.

[Orsino]

96. Same animal.

The ways in which its perpetrated determine how bad it is.

[Faux pas]

97. Yes. You can't help how you're born, gender-wise, race-wise or

sexual preference-wise.

[Bentcorner]

98. Yes, totally.

[Hatchling]

99. absolutely.

There are laws against racist and sexist discrimination. You don't have to hide being a black or a woman to keep your job or have your SO inherit or be in the hospital room with you.

As a black or a women you don't have people afraid that you are contagious or something and that your gayness will somehow rub off on them.