No one has done more than Kerry to expose the BFEE.

[ProSense]

Anyone trying to portray Kerry as the person who betrayed the country needs his/her head examined. No one has done more than Kerry to expose the BFEE. If you know that, then cut the crap!

What the hell has Gore, Kucinich or anyone else actually done to stop the BFEE, any part of it: Gore endorsed Dean? Give me a break!

Kerry Kerry spoke about his investigation in 2004. Why wasn't everyone in the blogosphere screaming that the BFEE were murderers? There were in-depth articles written by some on the left, why didn't this information create as much of a buzz as the BS bashing of Kerry because he endorsed Obama?

Looks like: The establishment supporters are out in full force... trying to smear Kerry. He is the only person in Congress to ever actually do anything about these asshole, from 1970 to now. Period!

[jlake]

1. K&R. The attacks on Kerry are shameful.

[Joe Chi Minh]

30. I wonder how many are bona fide DUers...

[jgraz]

2. Well, except when he was actually running against Bush

Then, always the gentleman, he kept silent. :banghead:

[ProSense]

3. Did you read the OP? Seriously, did you? n/t

[jgraz]

11. Yes, thanks to you we've all had a chance to read that OP about 1000 times

It still doesn't change the fact that when it really counted, Kerry crawled away like a whipped puppy.

[ProSense]

13. And it still hasn't sunk in! n/t

[karynnj]

45. Maybe you should take even one of these many chances

Whether you like it or not, Kerry has a far better record actually seriously fighting corruption.

Kerry did not "crawl away". Within a few weeks of losing, he sent the strongest appeal that I have ever seen by a losing candidate asking people to stay involved and continue fighting for the goals of the campaign. He did more than anyone - other than the DNC itself - to get people to volunteer and get more Democrats elected in 2005 and 2006.

I've seen your pro-Edwards posts. Tell me what he did to fight corruption in his 6 years in office. Don't say - it was only 6 years. In Kerry's first 6 years, he exposed the Contras and was well into his investigation of BCCI.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

9. Well said. nt

[ProSense]

14. Comments like these are the reason I wrote this OP. n/t

[lateo]

16. But, but, but...

Kerry filed lawsuits....after he conceded the Presidency to Bush.

[ProSense]

17. but, but, but...

Kucinich filed a resolution to impeach Bush. Score!

I had these responses in mind when I put the OP together.

[jgraz]

18. God forbid he mess up his "viability" to drop out of the race in 08.

:crazy:

[ProSense]

20. Stop

hating the player! It's pathetic!

[jgraz]

21. Sorry, it was a botched joke.

:P

[ProSense]

23. Is that you

Hillary?

[jgraz]

25. What you just said was...inappropriate

and I believe we cannot let it divert us from Hillary's cynical ploy to knock out a potential rival.

[ProSense]

26. Hey

great impersonation!

[jgraz]

31. For my next trick, I'll start crying

:cry:

[sam sarrha]

4. i agree but if he had stood up and exposed the Swiftboaters W wouldnt be president, strange how one

little mistake can change the whole world...

[ProSense]

7. Yeah, the mistake was the free advertising for the Bush campaign

John Kerry Did stand up to the Swiftboat Lies during ELECTION

More in the DU Research Forum

The media armed with the facts paid no attention to the liars, that is until the MSM launched its onslaught in August:

By the time the Swift Boat story had played out, CNN, chasing after ratings leader Fox News, found time to mention the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth–hereafter, Swifties–in nearly 300 separate news segments, while more than one hundred New York Times articles and columns made mention of the Swifties. And during one overheated 12-day span in late August, the Washington Post mentioned the Swifties in page-one stories on Aug. 19, 20, 21 (two separate articles), 22, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, and 31. It was a media monsoon that washed away Kerry’s momentum coming out of the Democratic convention.

Why would the media, with the facts in hand, devote so much time to airing information they knew was false? This was free advertising for the Bush campaign.

I doubt this will be the last time I'll post this.

[sam sarrha]

35. that is what i said.. they could have easly proven them liars in league with W

[karynnj]

46. Kerry and team did PROVE it

They proved that they were funded by Bush allies from Texas and that they shared a lawyer - who after he had to leave the Bush team when this was exposed was a constant visitor on MSNBC.

Before the August attack, the media had:
- 100+ pages of Kerry's naval record - with fitness reports that covered the entire interval - all glowing.
- A book by an academic historian who spoke to 100+ people who were involved with the swiftboats about 2 years before
- The Nixon tapes contained private conversations where Nixon was told that Kerry really was a war hero and clean cut - they investigated him then - 2 years after his service.
- All the men actually on his boat when he got any medals were 100% behind him.

This is a phenomenal amount of proof. Far more than "answered" any Clinton era attack.

But, the Kerry people went beyond this and got more accounts by people there to the media. They also found people listed as SBVT who never authorized the use of their names and others who took back their accounts.

[madrchsod]

8. i really think that was not what cost him

it was the corruption of the government of the state of ohio and their relationship with the whitehouse. there was no way that they were going to let kerry take ohio. diebold(?) boasted that they would make sure he did,they did everything possible to make sure that people could`t vote ,and the governor sat on the coin scandal three weeks before the election.

[LittleClarkie]

15. We don't know that for sure

We can speculate, but you can't say he'd have won if he'd fought sooner. He let a couple of weeks go by, costly weeks, but then came out with rebuttal of their claims. And you know what? Many people still quote the lies as truth.

[karynnj]

47. The media already had the information

and the campaign disputed the accounts immediately. The media could and should have stopped it cold or at least asked the SBVT for proof as they, not Kerry were disputing the official record.

[eleny]

5. K&R!

[madrchsod]

6. the only thing i`m upset with is that john should have

demanded a recount but that`s history. after reading his "words of a winter soldier" people who doubt him or diss him, well......

[ProSense]

12. Well, unless this isn't true,

he did:

Blogged by JC on 08.22.05 @ 04:19 PM ET

Fighting for Every Voter

A few more words about an issue that is of the utmost importance to me.

As political candidates, we spend considerable time and effort every election cycle fighting for votes. After the election, whether won or lost, many candidates leave the irregularities of the election behind. But we owe the voters more than that. When voters are disenfrachised, we owe it to them to seek justice and expose the truth. That is why I have been so proud of the Kerry-Edwards campaign's ongoing involvement in the investigation and litigation of what went wrong in Ohio. I wrote to the candidates recently to ask that they continue to be involved in this important endeavor.

This is not about the past. It is about figuring out what went wrong and why -- and then getting the next election right, not for the Democratic Party, but for all of the voters.

link

Since the 2004 election is being revisited, here are some facts

There was also that little matter of the two Ohio election workers being sentenced for tampering with the recount so why are people still claiming a recount never happened. It did, but it was rigged in a state run by Repubs.

[Fovea]

10. I certainly don't bash Kerry because of who he endorses

I, for one, am actually glad to see Kerry not associated with the Edwards campaign.
What little he could do to help could never outweigh what his endorsement would carry with it--
the memory of his walking away from the stolen election when it all, constitution included could have been saved.

I have very low expectations for the 08 race. Frankly, I will be surprised as hell if we have an 08 election.
One big reason I feel this is watching the party I suported my entire life, indeed fought for at times slip out the back door when trouble walked in the front.

[Wizard777]

19. Now that is teh whole problem. Everyone knows about it and no one is doing anything about it. n/t

[Uncle Joe]

22. Didn't Dean oppose the war with Iraq that the BFEE started on a pack of lies?

I would think endorsing some one that had the good sense to oppose this travesty from the beginning counted for more than "give me a break".

The same corporate media that helped to spin the lies and out one of our own covert CIA agents and her company investigating nuclear proliferation knew it as well and that's why they turned on Dean afterwords.

[ProSense]

24. Excuse me,

didn't Kerry?

You're going to claim that talk about opposing the war is the same as the BCCI investigation aren't you?

Why, I think you just did!

[Uncle Joe]

27. Why would Kerry trust one of the prime members of the criminal family he's investigating

to keep his word?

"Let there be no doubt or confusion about where we stand on this. I will support a multilateral effort to disarm him by force, if we ever exhaust those other options, as the President has promised, but I will not support a unilateral U.S. war against Iraq unless that threat is imminent and the multilateral effort has not proven possible under any circumstances."

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi

[ProSense]

28. Why was one of the prime members of the criminal family

President?

Do you think Bush actually needed the IWR to go invade Iraq? Didn't he have to still lie and manipulate evidence before he did?

Cherry picking facts is what got us into this mess.

[Uncle Joe]

32. Because we had a coup in 2000 and the people's votes were purged,

unless you believe the selection of 2000 was all cherry picking?

I'm just your average Joe and I knew Bush was lying about the evidence just from well hidden articles in the paper, usually Reuters, while the cherry picking lies were given front and center attention.

[ProSense]

34. "unless you believe the selection of 2000 was all cherry picking?"

Yes, it began with the incomplete recount and ended with the SCOTUS making the decision.

[Uncle Joe]

36. It actually began with the purging of tens of thousands of legal voters from the voter rolls

as "felons" I believe the number approached 80,000 the vast majority of them being African Americans.

[ProSense]

41. Same as 2004!

You can't count votes that were not cast.

[ProSense]

29. Another thing, the

premise of the OP still stands. The comments here are proof of that. It's about Kerry, who is supposed to single-handedly save the party and country, even though no one else has done more.

[Uncle Joe]

37. Regarding the premise of your O.P.

I never accused Kerry of betraying the country, but you slammed Al Gore and I saw no call for that.

[ProSense]

40. It was not a slam,

the comment is directed at those who make those comparisons. There is a difference.

[politicasista]

51. Thank you n/t

[fedupinBushcountry]

33. K&R

Thank you again Prosense for showing the truth. To bad those that bash Kerry the most will not look at the TRUTH. Sad because they are missing out on someone who has always been fighting for us and always fighting to change the government to be really for the people , by the people and of the people. They are so for the old and afraid of real change.

[Snarkturian Clone]

38. Taking down his cousins eh...

Even if this family tree is true, it goes waaay far back... just thought I'd bring it up.

[ProSense]

39. You obviously went through a lot of trouble to prove your point. May I ask you to

read the first line of the OP again so that you'll understand my point in relation to your comment.

Thanks!

[karynnj]

48. Going back 9 generations will connect

a very large percent of WASP families that started in NE before the revolution. There are families with brothers, where one is good and one is bad.

[ProSense]

42. Kick! n/t

[ohtransplant]

43. I've never understood all the Kerry animus

How do you fight election results without proof that will stand up in court? Where were the mass demonstrations? Where was the DNC?

How loud could he yell that the swifties were liars? Where were the surrogates to blanket the media? Where was the DNC? Where were our Congresspersons and Senators?

Where was the outrage when Senator Kerry was skewered by the press, Rs and some of our Dems over a botched joke? Is that how we treat our most recent nominee?

How many Dems did he help get elected in 2006? He continues to fight for a party that didn't fight for him. Running for President isn't a one-man show.

I knew very little of the Senator before 2004 but I've come to a conclusion. If I had to sit down and write the prototypical resume' with all that we desire for a future POTUS, that resume' would look an awful lot like Senator Kerry's

We could argue the pros and cons all night but it seems to me the senator is and has been a loyal, hard working Dem for a long time. He's not perfect but he deserves better.

[tuckessee]

44. Has he said anything about the BFEE's Skull & Bones connections?

I think not.

[Psyop Samurai]

49. While I can, on one level, appreciate your defense of Kerry...

...to me (and many others) this isn't about individual personalities at all, and we could care less one way or another about "John Kerry".

You see, all of it pales in the face of the GREAT BETRAYAL, in which the entire political establishment has participated (and continues to participate).

While the information you present suggests that it's a distortion and grotesque irony to portray Kerry as "the person who betrayed the country", like it or not, fair or not, his is one of the most prominent faces on the GREAT BETRAYAL, and will forever be identified with it.

It was crystal clear by 2004 that radical truth was the ONLY avenue to restore the republic. The 2004 "election" was a sham, as is the current one, as the entire political establishment remains firmly wedded to the BIG LIE.

[politicasista]

50. kick n/t