Okay, I truly feel sympathy for Hillary today

[Neecy]

I've never supported her but she really moved me today. Instead of acting like she's got the nomination in the bag, practically naming her cabinet, she really showed that she knows it's slipping away and this matters to her.

And Bill is being an ass and he's done little but screw up her campaign and step on her message.

Tonight Tweety is going to be completely gleeful and run that clip over...and over...and over again. He'll love it. He'll devote entire shows to it from now until February 5th.

I still won't vote for her in my caucus but I really do feel for her.

[in_cog_ni_to]

1. I haven't seen the clip yet, but you're right about Tweety. It's his life's goal to take her down.

I detest him.

[butterfly77]

2. She wasn't my first choice...

but the media is making me take a second look. Fox,and scarborough and the rest have been talking her up so long that people really believe the hype. I don't believe she is what they are portraying and the media is going over board. They have done it so long that people are really believing it..

[Dhalgren]

4. Yeah, you know, she keeps getting smeared and pounded and

she starts looking like us. The more she looks like us, the better it is for her. I think that there have been some serious miscalculations on the part of the "let's go negative of Clinton" bunch. I have never supported Clinton and don't plan to, but all this piling on (and I don't care, that's what it feels like) is helping her. By the way, I don't and can't support Obama, either...

[Blue Diadem]

3. I've already seen it 3 times on MSNBC in the last hour

I won't watch tweety but I can only imagine his glee.

I'm not a fan of hers either but MSM playing it over and over is ridiculous.

[DemGa]

5. I've a feeling this will get the "Dean scream" treatment

And if Edward's continues to be ignored, well it's obvious Obama gets the upper hand.

[tandem5]

6. I thought 24/7 devotion to her campaign was enough to show

that it mattered to her. But I guess this and that moment in the debate where she said her feelings were hurt really convinces me. Now I just need Edwards and Obama to shed some tears then I'll know they care!

[sandnsea]

10. No kidding

All it shows to me is the extent she's willing to go to manipulate people.

[Horse with no Name]

17. ding ding ding

Exactly.

[tandem5]

18. I suppose I was too subtle nt

[Romulox]

20. Yup. nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

25. ...

:thumbsup: Yep!

[Eurobabe]

26. Rock on sista

Calculated move. :eyes:

[Emit]

30. I'm not sure I follow

You mean to show that she can be soft, human, likeable ... what? Since I didn't see the clip, I can't tell what way she might be trying to manipulate people be shedding a tear.

[Rockholm]

35. Ya know, you are rather heartless.

[sandnsea]

36. I am ALL HEART

That's why when I speak, the truth either thoroughly resonates or rips your guts out when you're told how wrong you are.

[Andromeda]

52. You are devoid of any normal human

feelings. I kind of wondered before, but now you've convinced me.

[sandnsea]

55. OMG, because I say someone is manipulative???

Excuse me, could you please explain the horror of that statement because compared to YOUR ATTACK ON ME, YOU are the one exhibiting a lack of human feelings.

[Emit]

7. Which clip?

the one from the recent NH debate?

[Neecy]

8. no

She got very emotional at an appearance this morning in NH and was close to tears. MSNBC has been running it nonstop...

[Emit]

13. Oh, someone posted a hit piece on that here, too.

It was mischaracterizing the issue gravely, IMHO.

Thanks for clarifying.

Since I don't have access to cable channels, are they making it out that she's weak? In what context are they referencing this? Thanks in advance, Neecy. :hi:

[Neecy]

15. it's odd

Most of the comments are limited to, "oh, she's tired" because I think most of the talking heads are afraid to equate this with weakness in fear of alienating a large portion of their audience. But that doesn't stop them from showing it over and over again.

[butterfly77]

24. Oh, If only you could see what they have been doing to her and,.,

all other Dems for years,its enough to get your blood boiling. They have been setting her up and now they are going in for the kill...

[Lone_Star_Dem]

34. I hadn't heard of this yet

Maybe it's not as big a deal as MSNBC attempting to make it out to be?

[Breeze54]

9. It was on my local NBC News at noon today but I can't find the video.

Bill thinks HE'S running apparently and RW 'The Politco' is really attacking her about this.

I mean, she's isn't my candidate but the comments there have been really vicious.

[Didereaux]

11. She is going to garner a lot of 'lets kill hill' backlash votes.

[BlackVelvet04]

12. I agree with you....

I still haven't decided who I support. I like Clinton and Edwards and am still on the fence with Obama.

As a side note, I think Hillary looked beautiful today. The blue she had on is a great color for her. (Yeah, I know that's a superficial comment, but what the heck.)

[Romulox]

14. Sorry, but in gender politics, crying is dirty pool. nt

[11 Bravo]

16. Just ask Ed Muskie. n/t

[Romulox]

19. Muskie was a little before my time, so I don't get the reference. nt

[ieoeja]

21. It killed his '72 campaign in New Hampshire when reporters claimed he was crying.

For another example think of the "wimp factor" against Poppy Bush who cried a few times as President before his reelection in 1992.

Of course, in those instances they were "men" who were crying. Everyone would have thought this would seriously damage a woman trying to prove to the misogynists out there that she was tough enough to be president. But it may just be that, because of her gender, she will get more sympathy than scorn.

Just as I fully expect Republics to overplay the race card against Obama in November to the extent they make people want to vote for Obama out of disgust at the Republics, her gender may actually shield her from the criticism and scorn you would see heaped upon a male candidate shedding tears during the campaign.

Admittedly, W did it also. But his was because Jesus was talking through him which made it okay.

[bobbolink]

23. And Pat Schroeder!!

[Romulox]

39. I remember Pat Shroeder primarily through Nora Dunn's impersonation on SNL!

[bobbolink]

40. I remember Pat Schroeder because I was a constituent! I miss her!

The nation needs her very badly.

:cry:

[On the Road]

22. She Seemed Much More Human in That Exchange

Than in her normal campaign appearances or debates.

I believe this is the clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVlwH7-05Fk

And like Dean, regardless of whether it should make a difference, it will. She blinked.

[mrfrapp]

49. Question

Is that really the clip people are fussing over? Really? To my eyes that's just someone being candid in an unscripted moment. It's a shame she couldn't present herself like that before the start of the primaries, she might have performed better.

[On the Road]

54. I Just Searched on YouTube So I'm Not Really Sure

and I'm not one of the people fussing about it. I actually think the sense on non-vulnerability she tried to project made her less sympathetic.

I do suspect it will like the Dean scream. I was furious about how unfair that was, yet it happenned and it was a killer.

[Emit]

57. At what point the the Dean scream occur?

Do you know? I don't recall the timing.

[On the Road]

62. It Was the Night That Dean Place Third in Iowa

and he was whipping up his supporters to move on to the rest of the states. Very similar in that sense.

[Emit]

63. Thanks.

I thought it was similar timing.

[DeepModem Mom]

27. Obama supporter here, and so do I. For God's sake, she didn't break down...

into hysterics. Tears came to her eyes. Tears come to my eyes all the time, for all kinds of reasons, sometimes even out of happiness, or pride in something. The hysterics, in my opinion, belong to the haters. And I'm more and more fed up, and bordering on outraged, with hate among fellow Dems.

And I salute Skinner for his courageous post about America being ready to elect a woman as President, even if it's the "hated" Hillary.

[Neecy]

29. I'm an Obama supporter, too

But good god, I know how I get when I'm tired and a maybe a bit cranky and I'm so there with how she reacted today. She didn't put her head down on the table and weep, she didn't break down and/or fall apart, she got a little emotional. Who doesn't? And having Bill today say that he can't make her 'younger' really pissed me off. He needs to just - shut - up.

[Emit]

31. Bill said that!?

My word. I can imagine what Hillary had to say to him.

[Neecy]

32. yep

He was obviously referencing Obama, but he said he can't make her 'younger, taller or male'. What an ass.

[Emit]

43. It was a stupid thing to say, and taken out of context sounds worse than what he meant

I think. I saw the clip on another thread and he was obviously referencing Obama, like you said. The clip didn't show what precipitated his response. I'd like to hear what made him choose to say that. I think they both need a long nap and a dose of reality. These campaigns can be hell, it seems, and running on lack of sleep and high emotions can make even the best orators say stupid things. And, then, of course, the media gets a hold of it, and wham.

[sendero]

51. He's obviously blaming her difficulties..

... on the fact that she is not tall, not male and not young.

Never mind that NONE OF THOSE things are her problem, her problem is that she abandoned the party's base and now she will pay the price for that.

[Marie26]

45. Which post was that?

Do you have a link? Thanks!

[DeepModem Mom]

58. Here's the link to Skinner's post --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3978352

[Marie26]

59. Thanks! nt

[DeepModem Mom]

28. K&R, for a little kindness for a fellow human being. nt

[shireen]

33. it was a genuine moment

I don't think Hillary was faking it. I'm glad she expressed herself that way, it was touching.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

37. I may not be a supporter, but I can feel for her right now too.

I've not seen the incident that you're referring to but it was described above.

No one can deny how hard she's worked and to see something like this be used against her is wrong.

[alarimer]

42. Me too. The woman-haters on the right will be out in force

because of it. "We can't have a leader who CRIES!"

(Of course Bush cries all the time but those are crocodile tears).

[Mimosa]

38. Sympathy for Hillary

I'm not a Hillary supporter (I'm an Obama girl) but it does appear to me that Bill Clinton is subliminally dsaying audacious things which can't help but hurt Hillary. Earlier on Fox news I saw a video clip where Bill Clinton remarked he "can't make her (Hillary) taller, he can't make her male, and I can't make her younger."

I was shocked and appalled! Did anybody else see that? I won't go look for a corraborating video if there is one because I don't want to hear it again. He wants her to LOSE!

[snooper2]

41. So we know she fooled one person

nt...

[tnlefty]

44. So am I.

And Joe Scarborough has been having great fun with Bill's latest, 'can't make her younger, taller or male' comment. This is the 3rd incident since the night before the IA caucuses that I cringed at something that he said or did.

I had just seen a clip of her knocking on doors, and she did look good (shallow of me I suppose) and the next thing that I saw was Scarborough gleefully yapping about Bill's comments and showing the cover of the NY Daily News (I think) and a very unflattering cover of another publication.

She isn't even in my top 3, but I really don't like this and I wouldn't like it being done to any of the Dem candidates.

[Emit]

46. Did we expect anything less, though?

We knew this was going to happen to Hillary. And if she wins the Primary, it will only get uglier.

[tnlefty]

53. Maybe it's just me, but I keep hoping that humans will

learn to behave better. I know that there are the sentiments that politics is a blood sport, etc. I am often amazed by the people who move into TN and get involved in elections who mention how corrupt and ruthless politics can be here, so I'm not naive, I just keep hoping that we humans will learn to behave better.

If she is the nominee the media will dredge up all kinds of crap and I will not be looking forward to it. :hi:

[BlackVelvet04]

47. But don't you know it's very cool

to kick her while she's down? WTF is wrong with Democrats who are so nasty about our Democratic candidates? The candidates are people who get tired and emotional and even cranky.

[Arugula Latte]

48. She must be completely exhausted, as the other candidates are.

I've been as hard on her as anyone, and I do hope she loses, but I did feel genuinely sorry for her today.

[OzarkDem]

50. I just watched it, she didn't cry

this is the Dean scream equivalent against Hillary. Pretty despicable.

[undercutter2006]

56. who doesn't

she is not my favorite candidate, but all the idiotic sexist judgemental stuff that gets thrown her way really makes me wish she could be the president so that people would be forced to listen to a woman in a position of authority for the next four years

[bklyncowgirl]

60. I think you'd have to have a heart of stone not to feel for her--or anyone who gave it their all.

A month or so ago people were posting threads about her inevitability and people like me were saying things like "Not so fast" "It ain't over 'till it's over".

She was praised by the media for running a flawless campaign, for her sharp debate performances.

Then it all started to fall apart, ending in a stunning upset in Iowa and what's looks like its shaping up as a blowout for Barack Obama in New Hampshire.

Was it that question about drivers licenses for illegal aliens? Was it the clumsy personal attacks on Obama by her surrogates? Was it Bill Clinton showing how he's both her biggest asset and her most dangerous liability? Was it that she had the bad fortune to run into a candidate whose personal charm and eloquence appear to be unmatched by any politician since, well, Bill Clinton? Was it, as I believe, the spirit of the times, where ordinary Americans feel betrayed by the leaders of both parties?

I believe Hillary Clinton when she says she's running for president for all the right reasons--that she truly believes that she is the best person to bring about change and restore honor and dignity to America. It must be devestating to have the voters reject her candidacy.

[JTFrog]

61. Yeah it sucks to embarrass yourself by playing the inevitable card. But crying about it

afterward is really kinda pathetic.