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tgnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:41 AM
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I'd be with Obama if this were the 2000 election. But not now.
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 12:11 PM by tgnyc
After two decades of the GOP wreaking havoc on the political process and driving wedges between various groups in our society, America was ready for someone who could bridge divides, heal wounds, and bring disparate groups together. The image of such a president was so attractive then, that George W. Bush managed to con more than a few people who should have known better to vote for him when he packaged it as being a "uniter, not a divider." So hypnotic was this kind of talk that Bush managed to Svengali many voters -- and most of the national news media -- into not noticing the more-than-ample evidence that the man was a doofus.

In 2000, what the country was looking for most of all was a soothing caretaker. I would have been happy with that, as long as s/he also had plans for moving the nation steadily in a progressive direction. I would have been all over Obama if he had come out in that election.

But that was then. This is now.

Over the past 8 years, Bush and the Republicans have wrought an unprecedented level of destruction on the US government, the US constitution, and the very essence of the American ideal. Given that, I think what this country really needs out of its next president is someone who will commit him/herself to the maximum effort necessary to undo the mindboggling damage done by his/her predecessor. In that light, bringing people together ranks 8th or 9th on my top 10 list of important tasks for the next president. Similarly, being a fresh face, a different kind of politician, someone without a lot of Washington experience, ranks about 8th or 9th on my list of important qualities for the next president.

I have heard some of those in the mood for deification of Obama suggest he/his movement is reminiscent of Bobby Kennedy. That may be overblown, or it may be on-point. Either way, that characterization would be much more impressive in a year like 1968 or 2000, when our nation's social divisions threatened to rip us apart at the seams. In the year 2008, that characterization strikes me as quaintly out of... 1968 or 2000.

As an African-American (technically, that shouldn't be relevant, but let's be real: it is very relevant), and a activist for minority interests, it pains me beyond words not to be able to wholeheartedly embrace the first black man with an excellent shot at becoming president of the United States. But listening to him talk, and seeing how he operates, I can't help feeling Obama would leave too many crucial tasks not completed, or at-best partially completed in a pointless celebration of "outreach," "compromise," and "bringing people together." Because he and his supporters are fooling themselves if they think the sheer charisma and intellect of Obama will cause the GOP and their sponsors to allow their ill-gotten gains of the Bush agenda to be undone.

"Hope" and "change" almost always sound good in an election year. But a whole campaign/movement built around those concepts? In 2008, that sounds more than anything else corny and inadequate.

That's why I'm with Edwards this time out.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:45 AM
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1. Woohoo! I'm with Edwards too! Obama is a nice man, but Edwars is tough and will fight
And fight viciously. He's not afraid to stand up for what is right and doesn't care who knows it. Obama is too gentle, too sweet, too soft. He'll buckle.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:00 PM
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2. I want a candidate who is going to seriously and
forcefully kick repuke ass. Obama is not that guy.

He's the Kumbaya candidate at a time when we need a Take No Prisoners approach.

I'm with you. Our best hope for undoing the massive destruction wrought by the Bush Crime Family is Edwards.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:24 PM
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9. Oh,dear..


So...how come all you Edwards folks are on DU and not in NH or South Carolina OR better still giving him the $$$ he desperately needs ?

The Kumbaya remark is beyond contemptible.
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Clinton Crusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:53 PM
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10. How do you know we're not giving him $$$$$$$$?
We are, thanks.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:11 AM
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11. Sorry, but what this nation does not need is a guy whose
meme is reaching out to and making nice with the enemy. You do that, you get burned every time. You seriously think the r's are interested in bipartisanship?

And I have given to Edwards, generously.
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tgnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:19 AM
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13. Very presumptuous
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:01 PM
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3. You make some VERY good points. This is a critical time in our history.
We need to realize our very future is at stake.

I'm not decided who, if any, of the Top Three is up to the job and will get the priorities straight.

All I DO know is that we can NOT let another Republican get his hands on the country. We simply wouldn't survive.


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intheozone Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:06 PM
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4. I feel the same way about Obama. We need a fighter
and someone with more experience. I think like Bill Mahr, I want the repugs crushed into powder! We must use this opportunity to teach the repugs a lesson that will stay with them for the at least the next generation!
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:09 PM
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5. I was with Gore in 2000, and I'd be with him in '08 if he was running.
Failing that, I'll settle for any of the above, who are all infinitely better than the Romney-bot, Hucklefundie, or the lurching desiccated corpse of John McCain.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:35 PM
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6. The fact that you are an activist for minority interests and support Edwards -
is very, very relevant. Thank you very much for adding your perspective.

I, too, am very frustrated with Clinton & Obama's "change" platforms. Of course we want change, the job of the best candidates is to define what that means as part of an integrated package/perspective on the world.

:hi:
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:37 PM
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7. Right. You would have supported a non-Senator nt
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tgnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:54 PM
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8. Of course I mean the Obama of today, but set in 2000.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:23 AM
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12. In the words of Bill Clinton I feel your pain
"As an African-American (technically, that shouldn't be relevant, but let's be real: it is very relevant), and a activist for minority interests, it pains me beyond words not to be able to wholeheartedly embrace the first black man with an excellent shot at becoming president of the United States."

It pains me beyond words that as a woman, feminist and activist for women's rights that I can not wholeheartedly embrace the first woman with and excellent shot at becoming president of the United States....I've waited all my life for this and only hope I will live to see it one day. But Senator Clinton is not the one.

how sad for both of us.....
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