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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:33 AM
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Trying again on VOTESCAM --- election theft --- since mid-1960's --- !!!
• The vote has been stolen from you by a cartel of federal "national security" bureaucrats, who include higher-ups in the Central Intelligence Agency, political party leaders, Congressmen, co-opted journalists — and the owners and managers of the major Establishment news media, who have decided in concert that how America's votes are counted, by whom they are counted and how the results are verified and delivered to the public is, as one of them put it, "Not a proper area of inquiry."

http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam__.htm


Journalists, Jim & Ken Collier, discovered the computer election frauds in the late-1960's . . . and began a 26 year long investigation.

They wrote a book called "Votescam-The Stealing of America" which was suppressed.
You can scan it or read it at the website.

Our problems with computers didn't begin in 2000 or 2004 ---
this has been going on for 40 years -- !!!



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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:55 AM
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1. Election Watch ---
There is so profound a public despair about keeping the vote system honest that a man with immaculate academic credentials can sound the alarm on Dan Rather's CBS Evening News — charging that America's elections are being compromised by computer felons — and still get only three calls about it.

Dr. Howard Strauss, a Princeton computer sciences professor and a member of a tiny nationwide group of worried citizens who call themselves "Election Watch," says:

"The presidential election of 1992, without too much difficulty and with little chance of the felons getting caught, could be stolen by computers for one candidate or another. The candidate who can win by computer has worked far enough ahead to rig the election by getting his 'consultants' to write the software that runs thousands of vote-counting computers from coast to coast. There are so many computers that use the same software now that a presidential election can be tampered with- in fact, may already be tampered with. Because of the trade secrecy, nobody can be the wiser."







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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:58 AM
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2. Low turnout are signaling the public knows their vote counts for little or nothing?


Actually, the major news organizations foster the illusion that the American press competes to get the correct vote count to the public, and they imply by omission that "ballots" are counted in the traditional, accountable ways that once fostered confidence and a sense of fairness in the hearts and minds of the American voter.

However the American voter has grown steadily more apathetic in both presidential and off-year elections, with sometimes less than 25 percent of those eligible taking the opportunity to cast a ballot The press blames this on the politicians and the public itself, but the public may be aware, if only vaguely that in some unfathomable way their vote counts for little or nothing.

There have been too many odd coincidences and peculiar results over the past quarter century, and the decline in voter participation in national elections over the past two decades is directly proportional to the rise of computerized voting.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:59 AM
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3. '88 George Bush - New Hampshire . . ..
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 12:00 PM by defendandprotect
All over the United States of America there are people who listen to the facts about computer voting and then tell horror stories of candidates, who didn't have a prayer before election day, then slip into office by an uncheckable computer vote. Most common is the story of the computer that "breaks down" when one candidate is securely in the lead, and after the computer is "fixed," the losing candidate pulls ahead and wins. The evil feelings left behind by such shenanigans are festering across America.

Among the wickedest recent examples of possible computerized vote fraud, of the sort that has disillusioned millions of Americans, is the 1988 New Hampshire primary that saved George Bush from getting knocked out of the race to the White House.


http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam01.htm
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:31 PM
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9. I was actually told this story by a former Republican atty who witnessed this
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 09:32 PM by mod mom
first hand. He didn't realize what happened until afterward and it caused him to join forces working on putting integrity into our election system. It is a mane familiar to many here.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:17 AM
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13. And that's 1988 . . . ? But, the beginning of these steals is the mid-1960's . . .
Bush was, of course, pre-ordained ---

as much of this seems to be ---

projecting wins and accurate votes from one machine --- ???!!!
24 minutes after the polls close --- !!!???
And, the total projections by bed time all neatly tied up ---

And, they match the actual totals the next day -- !!!!

Fast, neat steals, with the MSM complicit in this --- !!!


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:07 PM
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4. IBM considered the business too dirty to mess with ---
But after several years, IBM realized that the Vote-amatic voting machine, the patents on which IBM had bought from its inventor, T. K. Harris, was actually a Pandora's box. IBM, following several disturbing public relations problems brought about by both incompetent and malicious "mishaps" during elections, took its name off the product. IBM eventually sold its rights in the company after IBM's president, Thomas Watson, read an article that implied he might be trying to install IBM voting machines in enough precincts to win him the first electronically rigged election for President of the United States. Watson had no ambitions to become a U.S. president and was mortified that his computers would be implicated in antidemocratic functions.

With the crusty, impeccable IBM out of the business, the scramble to produce new, improved, less scrupulous voting hardware and software began in earnest. Entrepreneurs made fortunes peddling the early computerized counters to towns and cities across America. They sold the machines as the "patriotic," "progressive" thing to do for American voters.

Newspaper and broadcast media seldom bothered to look into the voting machine industry and, in fact, took advantage of the speed the new machines offered in counting. The press did not investigate the accuracy, or lack of it, of the final tallies.



http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam01.htm





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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:10 PM
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5. Voting machines attached to telephone lines . . .
made it possible to meddle with the actual vote from miles away ---
without getting caught.


Naturally, in the vacuum of ethics and in the depths of ignorance about computerized voting, the opportunists arrived on the scene. It was already clear that IBM considered the business too dirty to mess with. Yet salesmen had placed the machines, along with service contracts and consulting fees, in thousands of America's precincts.

All over the nation the local election boards were taking delivery of Trojan horses that could be programmed to bide their time and then, when the proper moment came, to mistabulate election results on command. Computer experts with even the most vestigial imaginations figured out dozens of ways to compromise a vote, many of them so elegant that getting caught was almost impossible.

During a little-publicized court trial in West Virginia, it was revealed that there were ways to stop the computers during a count, while everyone watched. Simply fiddle with a few switches, turn the computer back on again, and thereby alter the entire vote, or parts of it. If anyone asked questions, the fixers could make any number of plausible excuses. Mostly all they had to say was "just checking that everything's running okay," and that was satisfactory.

With voting machines attached to telephone lines it was possible to meddle with the actual vote from a telephone miles away. Getting caught was not possible. "Deniability" and "untrackability" were built into the secret source codes that animated the machines.

It was possible to rig elections electronically in separate communities across the country, but until 1964 it was not considered possible to rig a national election. Then, in August 1964, News Election Service was created.


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:13 PM
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6. NES: Privately owned vote counting cartel ---
This privately owned vote counting cartel (NES) uses the vast membership of the network-subsidized League of Women Voters as field personnel whose exclusive job is to phone in unofficial vote totals to NES on election night. NES also operates a "master computer" in New York City, located on 34th Street. (Because the League of Women Voters has about it a perfume of volunteerism and do-goodism, the fact that it is actually a political club with a political agenda and a hungry treasury is shrouded by the false myth that it is a reliable election-day watchdog.)

The NES mainframe computer has the capability, via telephone lines, of "talking" back and forth with county and state government mainframes. During the important 60-day certification period after an election, the counts in the county and state mainframes can still be manipulated by outsiders to conform to earlier TV "projections."

Without this capability of using the NES mainframe to "balance the books " between initial network projections of Bush as "winner" and the final official totals published two months later, Bush may have lost the election to Dukakis.


It is the prescription for the covert stealing of America.

http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam01.htm
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:44 PM
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7. Election steals since 1960's . . . not 2000 ---
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:24 PM
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8. There is a long history of stolen elections --- not simply since 2000 --- !!!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:06 AM
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10. "We decided to get mad."
There are no tests to determine when the last rock on the ledge of life slips and plunges you into the crater of causes. Suddenly police stations become grossly familiar. So do the courtrooms of various judges. The offices of lawyers are not avoided anymore. Organizations like the CIA and the FBI keep their ears open when you come around. Your home may at times become mobile and the sky becomes your roof. Fear that your cause may be lost ceaselessly batters your confidence. Your relationship with others is more or less determined by the extent to which they will tolerate your cause, which for some of your loved ones may be less attractive than maggot soup.

For us, the last rock fell when we discovered that all the predictions made within 24 minutes after the polls closed were based on results called in from one single voting machine.

We decided to get mad.


http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam02.htm
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:10 AM
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11. here
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:13 AM
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12. 11:15 . . . time for bed . . . wrap it up nicely ---
Following are some examples of the amazing accuracy of the 7:24 p.m. projections.

http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam03.htm
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:49 AM
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14. shaving the plastic wheel: it slips ahead 100 or 200 or 300 votes
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 12:50 AM by defendandprotect
Inside the hangar were 1,648 gray-green voting machines with levers, plus a lot of extras, all lined up in rows. They were made by the Automatic Voting Machine Company of Jamestown, New York..

"Can you show us the candidate counters and the wheels inside?" Jim asked.

He led us to a nearby machine and opened up the back with a key. There were a lot of plastic, wheels, three-digit counters underneath a black grid. The insides looked pretty simple.

"How can you rig this thing?" Ken asked.

"One of the best ways," Frank chuckled, "is to put decals over the counters so that when you see them in the morning it says "000" but underneath it says maybe "090," which in any precinct is a pretty good bonus."

"What else?"


"How can you rig this thing?" Ken asked.It's already set up before the election... by shaving the plastic wheel inside so that it slips ahead 100 or 200 or 300 votes. Any good mechanic can do it with a razor blade" He took us to his office and reached into his desk, bringing out one of the counter wheels in his big rough hands.

"This is a shaved predetermined counter," he said.

"Can we keep one?"

"Sure, take it."

Jim put the wheel in his pocket.

"Who works on these machines?"

"They're worked on by the mechanics for Wometco. They have vending machines and movie houses. They can make those suckers sing."

We shook hands with Frank and said goodbye. Ken walked outside whistling the tune to:

"Way down south in the land of cotton,
good times there are not forgotten...
Lookaway! Lookaway! Lookaway
Dixieland."

http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam04.htm
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:55 AM
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15. A connection between Watergate and Votescam . .. ???
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 12:55 AM by defendandprotect
In May, Jim drove back to Washington. He took a shot and went unannounced to Jack Anderson's red brick townhouse on Vermont Avenue, but Anderson refused to see him.

Then Jim walked through the glass doors into the offices of the Democratic National Committee in the Watergate Office Building. He found the office of Larry O'Brien, the head of the DNC, and left a Votescam packet on his desk.*

* A few weeks later, on June 17, 1972, a second break-in by "plumbers" at the DNC resulted la their arrest for what Richard Nixon later called "a third-rate burglary." At this stage of the game, we hadn't the slightest inkling that what took place on June 17th could possibly relate to our investigation. Only Justice Department documents we found years later while rummaging through the system would suggest a connection between Watergate and Votescam.

http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam04.htm
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