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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 12:56 PM
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Do We Know How Much Support Conyers Single-Payer Plan Has??
He is introducing a bill with 80 co-sponsors to enact single-payer medicare for all. Does anyone know if this has any chance of passing congress?? I know in the past Pelosi has supported this, so I expect her to vote for it. Even if it doesn't pass the senate, if this passes congress, I believe it will be the first time a universal health bill has ever passed either house. Any Democrat that opposes this, only supports minimal reforms and wants to keep the current corporate power structure intact.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 01:01 PM
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1. That's a good question...
sounds like a great reason to start calling our Reps and letting them know how they're expected to vote. :)
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 05:33 PM
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13. Toll-Free Numbers for Capitol Hill--800-828-0498, 800-459-1887, 800-614-2803
and...1-866-338-1015

Sometimes one toll-free number goes down, so it's good to have a collection of 'em.

:hi: Call! Call! Call! :hi:
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 01:06 PM
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2. Could someone point me to a primer for what "single payer" means? nt
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meldroc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 01:10 PM
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4. Single-payer means government-funded.
In other words, no private funding for this universal health care plan. Taxes will have to go up, but in exchange, everyone in the U.S. gets health care. Optionally, if you don't think the universal health care is good enough, you can pay private insurers and get supplemental coverage.
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 01:27 PM
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5. Health care costs are a hidden tax.
GM says it has between $1 & 3k per car in health care costs. How much of any company's operating expense goes to insurance and such? Everything we buy, rent, use or consume has a hidden tax on it. If we're going to make headway on this issue the hidden tax is the way to go. I've had two CEO types tell me that now is the time to off-load the cost of health care to the Fed. Hell, if ya' can't outsource it make the taxpayer cover it.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 01:50 PM
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7. Single payer means instead of having multiple insurance companies, out of pocket,
and multiple government funded health programs, you instead put all money's into one not for profit insurance pool and pay all health care costs out of that same not for profit insurance pool.

It saves huge bucks by eliminating redundant programs and the overhead, advertising, CEO salaries, and stock holder profits for private insurance companies.

When all drug purchases are made by a single purchaser, that purchase entity can negotiate for rock bottom prices.

Under a single payer fee for service system, consumers can chose any health care provider they want, change health care providers at will, and health care providers are still private entities who provide a service and charge a negotiated fee to the single payer entity.

We already currently spend approximately double per capita what the next most expensive system in the world costs (Canada) so one would naturally believe we should have a universal system that's twice as good as what Canada has. Of course we don't; because currently we are gouged.

A single payer system is much fairer to everyone. Everyone with income pays in, and everyone gets care. Currently, the insured end up footing the bill for the uninsured or the under insured through cost shifting.

The savings due to timely care for all, and preventative care will also be tremendous. A single payer system would also allow for tracking health care provider performance, which could lead to getting rid of the few bad apples practicing and lowering mal-practice insurance costs for all other providers.

http://www.newrules.org/equity/statesinglepayer.html
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 11:18 PM
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15. I know where we can get 100-thousand bucks A MINUTE...
It's currently being squandered in a little place called Iraq...

I'd MUCH rather see my tax money go toward this.

THIS, TOO, is Homeland Security. I wish there was a way to impress that upon some of the republi-CONS and their obstructionist friends.
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 01:29 PM
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6. health care for all dot org (CA version)
http://onecarenow.org/index.html
http://www.healthcareforall.org/single_payer.html

What Is Single Payer?

Single payer financed health care is a cost-effective method for financing and administering a universal health system.

With a single payer system California establishes a health insurance plan that covers all residents. The plan replaces all other health insurance plans, public and private.

The plan is administered by a single State Health Agency with local branches.

The plan is financed by state health taxes and federal money that now goes to health care, such as Medicare, MediCal and Champus.

All money earmarked for health care goes into a single state health trust fund.

Consolidation of administration and finance saves billions of dollars. Cost of administration drops from 25%-35% of health spending to 2-3%.
The state becomes the single purchaser of pharmaceuticals and durable medical equipment. It uses bulk purchasing power to lower costs up to 50% by purchasing from the Federal Supply Schedule. This saves billions. The state coordinates capital expenditures. This saves billions.

Everyone has doctor and gets preventive care. This saves billions. Saved dollars are shifted into health care.

The public planning process determines how we spend our health care dollars and controls growth in spending through global health budgets.

Quality of care is improved through equitable distribution of resources, choice of physician, primary and preventive care,risk adjusted budgets that pay the true costs of care, statewide data collection and analysis, public access to non-confidential data, linkage of health research and innovation to health care needs, safe staffing ratios, return of medical decision making to medical providers and patients, use of evidence-based medical practices and monitoring of outcomes, funded consumer advocates and monitoring of consumer and provider satisfaction.

More:

The health care tax replaces all health insurance premiums, all deductibles and most other out of pocket health expenses, including most co-pays.

When you pay the health tax, the benefits you get are better than any existing health insurance plan and there are no exclusions for "preexisting conditions" or any other health problems. Dental care, mental health parity, long term care, alternative and complementary care, durable medical equipment and full prescription drug coverage are included without co-pays.

The health care tax is less than current health insurance premiums for most individuals and for all employers who currently provide health coverage.

95%-98% of the health care tax goes directly to health care services, whereas only 65%-75% of health insurance premiums go to health care services.

The health tax is equitably structured so what each person pays is affordable. Health insurance premiums bear no relationship to one's ability to pay.

The health tax is less than insurance premiums employers now pay so there is a pool of dollars that unions can negotiate back into wages and other benefits.

The health tax involves no new spending. Instead, it involves a shift of funds from the private sector (insurance premiums) to the public sector (health tax).

The health tax is socially responsible: Tax proceeds are used to assure that all Californians receive an essential social service. Health insurance premiums are socially irresponsible: Proceeds are used to assure profitability to one company and an essential service is provided only to those who can afford it.

Californians and their legislators are smart enough to understand that a not-for-profit health care system with a universal risk pool financed by taxes is a more cost effective, stable system than one made up of fragmented risk pools each burdened with an expensive bureaucracy and profit-sharing requirements.

Californians and their legislators are smart enough to understand that the health tax is a good deal, a better deal than insurance premiums. The health tax is like the Medicare tax only better: It provides lifelong health care security.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 04:47 PM
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8. If you are seriously interested in knowing about it, here are some good sources:
I highly recommend you read this through... simple language, fully explained:
http://www.healthcareforallcolorado.org/?p=10

Be sure to look at the Stanford Student's video on this! It's well -done, and if you haven't looked at any other explanation, this will definitely answer some of your questions!


http://www.healthcare-now.org/resources/hr676.htm

Here's the website of pnhp, the physicians for single-payer:

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single_payer_resources.php
They also have a FAQ.

Thank you for asking, and please read up on this! :hi:



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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 01:08 PM
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3. Probably not much
since our fine wimps in Congress are all scared little rabbits running away from the word "socialized." They'd much rather join the DLC and protect the insurance companies at the expense of the citizens.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 04:50 PM
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9. Are you still wondering?
I'm not sure what you mean by "how much support". You mention that there are 80 co-sponsors, so I'm not clear what it is you're after.

As for support, here's how it is-- IF we truly want this bill to pass, so that we ALL have good medical care, WE need to get busy and DEMAND it!

How do we do that? First, we familiarize ourselves with this bill and all that it entails, so that we can talk to one and all about it. The biggest problem is lack of information in the general public. www.pnhp.org is a very good source of info about this bill.

Next, we find speakers in our local area (or become one ourselves!) and arrange for a speaker about HR 676 for all the groups we belong to, and make sure our local Dem party is either very intune with this now, or that we provide speakers for them, also.

We do a "whisper campaign", and leave info in drs offices, food courts (where people are already looking for reading material while they eat), college campus student hangouts, etc. Be creative! Write LTTEs, and everything you can think of to get people thinking of taking action, beyond griping about the sad state of health care in this country!

Next, look at the following list. If your Rep isn't on it, gather Dems in your area, and get to work on your own Rep. This depends on US doing the heavy lifting!

So, to answer your question.... How much support does HR 676 have?

The answer is, it depends on how badly you want it!


New Co-Sponsors of H.R. 676
As of February 17, 2007

Rep Abercrombie, Neil - 1/24/2007
Rep Baldwin, Tammy - 1/24/2007
Rep Carson, Julia - 1/24/2007
Rep Christensen, Donna M. - 1/24/2007
Rep Clarke, Yvette D. - 2/16/2007
Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy - 1/24/2007
Rep Cohen, Steve - 2/7/2007
Rep Cummings, Elijah E. - 1/24/2007
Rep Davis, Danny K. - 1/24/2007
Rep Delahunt, William D. - 2/12/2007
Rep Ellison, Keith - 1/24/2007
Rep Engel, Eliot L. - 1/24/2007
Rep Farr, Sam - 1/24/2007
Rep Fattah, Chaka - 1/24/2007
Rep Filner, Bob - 1/24/2007
Rep Green, Al - 1/24/2007
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. - 1/24/2007
Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. - 1/24/2007
Rep Hastings, Alcee L. - 1/29/2007
Rep Hinchey, Maurice D. - 1/24/2007
Rep Honda, Michael M. - 1/24/2007
Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr. - 1/24/2007
Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila - 1/24/2007
Rep Johnson, Eddie Bernice - 1/24/2007
Rep Johnson, Henry C. "Hank," Jr. - 2/13/2007
Rep Kaptur, Marcy - 2/12/2007
Rep Kilpatrick, Carolyn C. - 1/24/2007
Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. - 1/24/2007
Rep Lee, Barbara - 1/24/2007
Rep Lewis, John - 1/24/2007
Rep Loebsack, David - 1/24/2007
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. - 1/29/2007
Rep McDermott, Jim - 1/24/2007
Rep McGovern, James P. - 1/24/2007
Rep McNulty, Michael R. - 1/24/2007
Rep Meehan, Martin T. - 1/24/2007
Rep Miller, George - 1/24/2007
Rep Moore, Gwen - 1/24/2007
Rep Nadler, Jerrold - 1/29/2007
Rep Olver, John W. - 2/16/2007
Rep Pastor, Ed - 1/24/2007
Rep Payne, Donald M. - 1/24/2007
Rep Rangel, Charles B. - 1/24/2007
Rep Roybal-Allard, Lucille - 1/24/2007
Rep Rush, Bobby L. - 2/6/2007
Rep Scott, Robert C. - 1/24/2007
Rep Serrano, Jose E. - 2/7/2007
Rep Solis, Hilda L. - 2/12/2007
Rep Towns, Edolphus - 1/24/2007
Rep Waters, Maxine - 1/29/2007
Rep Watson, Diane E. - 1/24/2007
Rep Weiner, Anthony D. - 1/24/2007
Rep Wexler, Robert - 1/24/2007
Rep Woolsey, Lynn C. - 1/24/2007
Rep Wynn, Albert Russell - 1/24/2007
PS...I notice NM's Udall is missing. He was a co-sponsor before. What's up with this, NM???

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hashibabba Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 05:12 PM
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10. Oh, goody. I get to write to my rep again. He has done a few
good things, so I won't complain too much. But I'll still write a letter!

Thank you everyone for your information and websites. I'll be reading them all and hope to see more people kick this up!

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 05:23 PM
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11. If you want to call toll-free, here's a number: 1-866-338-1015
Let us know what response you get!

Thanks! :hug:
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hashibabba Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 05:29 PM
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12. Yes, I'll let you know. He's good about responding.
This is a subject that is very important to me and this thread gives a lot of information to followup on. I've already e-mailed a letter to my rep., Tom Davis, so we'll see what he says.

Repeat after me: IT'S WORTH IT, IT'S WORTH IT, IT'S WORTH IT.

You are making a difference. It may start out small, but hopefully when the House picks up the issue on the floor, it will gain more attention (and acceptance) here!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:27 AM
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18. I knew my Rep would be solid with this.
Go Lynn!
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 10:39 PM
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14. As I have said on other threads, please consider writing a ltte
I have found that people do not know about HR 676 Medicare for All. Once you explain the concept, I think you will find people in support of the concept. I have yet to find one person who didn't like it, even those who start the conversation with "Don't let the government get involved in health care". I follow up with "Then, I guess you want to get rid of Medicare?" No, no one wants to get rid of Medicare.

You can educate people by writing a LTTE about HR 676.

(If you are in California, support SB 840 the same way.)
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:23 AM
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16. I guarantee you the Repubs would sink the bill in the Senate.
They filibuster every goddamn thing under the sun.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:26 AM
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17. Aren't we supposed to be about doing what is right, who cares where the votes are?
If a SPHC system isn't the right thing to do, I don't know what is.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:29 AM
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19. Oh, I'm not saying don't introduce it. Go ahead and introduce it, but don't hold your breath.
They'll filibuster it, but at the end of the day, I'd rather get them on record as voting against it than pigeonholing the bill in committee indefinitely.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:50 AM
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20. Agreed. Of course. Even if it were to pass, Chimpy McShitflinger would veto.
But Americans are FED UP around this issue. I think people are ready for a SPHC system, despite all the well-funded noise the Insurance Industry will inevitably throw up there.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 01:25 AM
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21. When he vetoes it or the Republicanites vote it down, THERE is
all the ammunition you need for 2008, if only the Dems are courageous enough to use it.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 02:54 AM
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22. We need to come out strong and unapologetic for a lot of things, IMHO.
A Single Payer Health Care System is near the top of the list, along with a speedy withdrawal from Iraq.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 09:58 AM
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23. I agree n/t
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