Kurds see the reality: US can't give up Turks

[comradebillyboy]

The Iraqi Kurdish administration led by Massoud Barzani is now coming to terms with the facts that they are not indispensable for the United States and that when the chips are down Washington will side with Turkey.

They also see that Turkey will continue to move in and out of their territory to harass the PKK terrorists and the U.S. will not lift a finger as long as the attacks do not gather Iraqi Kurdish civilians and or directly threaten the stability in northern Iraq. This on paper definitely undermines their authority both in eyes of the international community and in the eyes of the Kurdish public opinion...

http://www.thenewanatolian.com/tna-30217.html

[lovuian]

1. I have news for the Kurds ...Turkey is definitely licking its

chops on adding oil fields to its land... And Bush & Co would rather have Turkey have them than Iran or Russia

Kurds have a rough way to go right now

if they blow up the oil pipelines its terrorists did it
if they keep them open Turkey keeps weakening and weakening them bit by bit

its one hellava mess that our Media just plays Christmas carols through

[seemslikeadream]

2. Second day Turkish jets bombed separatist Kurds - United States’ Undeclared War Against Kurds

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/24/world/middleeast/24iraq.html?ref=world


BAGHDAD — Turkish jets bombed separatist Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq for the second day in a row, Kurdish security officials said Sunday, although there was no immediate confirmation from the Turkish military.

Turkey Bombs Kurds in Iraq; 2 Sides Differ on Casualties (December 23, 2007) Jabbar Yawer, the deputy minister for the Kurdistan Regional Government’s security forces, said that the aircraft hit a remote border region 50 miles north of Erbil but that there were no civilian casualties because the area was deserted.

Mr. Yawer said he did not know if there were any fatalities among the rebel Kurdistan Workers Party, known by its Kurdish initials, P.K.K. The Turkish government accuses the group of launching attacks into Turkey from remote bases in the mountains of the Kurdish region of northern Iraq.

The Turkish military, which made three large cross-border attacks in the past week, had not issued a statement confirming an operation by Sunday night. On Sunday, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey only repeated his assertions that the government had the right to fight the rebels as it saw fit. “We, without enmity, use our right stemming from international law,” he said, according to the semiofficial Anatolian News Agency.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7158399.stm
Turkey 'in new Iraq air strikes'


Turkish warplanes have again bombed Kurdish rebels across the border in northern Iraq, Kurdish officials say.
Jabbar Yawer, a spokesman for the Iraqi Kurdish security forces, said the raid lasted more than three hours but "there was no damage or loss of life".

Turkey has carried out two other air attacks on north Iraq in the past week, as well as a small ground incursion.

Turkey blames rebels from the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) of launching attacks on Turkey from bases in Iraq.

Turkish fighter jets first carried out reconnaissance in the Qandil mountains near the border with Iran, before bombing certain positions in north Iraq, the Turkish Anatolia news agency cited Mr Yawer as saying



http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL2317952620071224


Turkish planes strike northern Iraq: Kurd official

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Turkish warplanes targeting Kurdish rebels bombed areas in northern Iraq on Sunday for the second day in a row but caused no casualties, an Iraqi Kurdish official said.

Jabbar Yawar, spokesman for the Iraqi Kurdish security forces, said the airstrikes in a deserted mountainous area in northern Iraq started at 3:00 p.m. (7:00 a.m. EST) and lasted for more than three hours. He said the only damage was to farmland.

There was no immediate comment from the Turkish military, which said on Saturday it planned to continue its operations against separatist Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) guerrillas inside Turkey and across the border in northern Iraq.

Turkey says it has the right to use force to combat the PKK, which uses the semi-autonomous Kurdish region of northern Iraq as a launchpad to mount attacks in which they have killed dozens of Turkish troops in recent months.





http://www.kurdishaspect.com/doc122307GC.html


United States’ Undeclared War Against Kurds


Peshmerga forces from the West and Central Iraq should be redeployed to defend Kurdistan against Turkish invasion


At a time when the borders of Kurdistan are under imminent attack by Turkey having Kurdish Peshmerga units serving in the West and Central Iraq and leaving our Northern borders undefended is absurd. We have come to a clear realization that the US has joined the Turkish oppressive regime to wage war on Kurds. Therefore, I suggest that all Kurdish military units that are currently serving in Iraqi army in Baghdad, Anbar, Ninavah, sallahudin and Diyala should be called back immediately and redeployed to the Turkish border to confront this Turkish aggression against Kurdistan.

What business do we have in the Arab part of Iraq when our country is under attack? What rewards have we got from the US government for supporting every US initiative in Iraq and acting as their foot soldier for more than four years? What future benefits will we get by supporting their initiatives in the wider Middle East? Frankly not much but betrayal after betrayal! It is highly unlikely that US will ever support us in our drive for self determination. The sooner we realize this the better it is. So, it’s time for us Kurds to look into our own strength and build up our own defenses. We have not chosen the path of confrontation with Turkey. On the contrary it is the Turkish government that is keen on our destruction.


Yes there is a war between Turkey and the PKK. But Turkish government is solely responsible for the continuation of this war as the Kurdish side has made it clear that it is open to dialogue. It is Turkey that has chosen to escalate this conflict and Turkey should pay the price for this aggression.


Turkey has an insatiable desire to repress Kurds be it in Turkey or elsewhere. Turkish leader is on record saying that he is opposed to Kurdish autonomy even if it were in Argentina. What Turkey is doing right now is more than just fighting the PKK. It is undermining the stability of Kurdistan Region of Iraq and attempting to derail the upcoming referendum on the disputed areas around Kirkuk, Mosul, Diyala and Sallahudin provinces.



oil rich lands to the north are about to become a much more complicated problem.


http://tinyurl.com/2crgv5

The Michigan Citizen


The oil rich lands to the north are about to become a much more complicated problem. And the Kurds, long subject to discrimination, are about to be betrayed again. This time by the U.S.'

[acmavm]

3. It seems amazing to me that it's taken the Kurds so long to realize this.

Aren't they used to US betrayal by now? I don't believe there will ever be a Kurdish 'homeland'.

[Hydra]

4. We treat our allies well, don't we?

Our other allies should take note of that fact.

[Disturbed]

5. Are the PKK Allies of the Busholini Regime?

Having done some extensive reading about the PKK, I do not believe that
the Busholini Regime considers this group as an Ally.

[Hydra]

6. And what about the Kurds?

We should know all about "collateral damage" when a national army goes hunting for terrorists. They tend to think of it as an unrestricted hunting license, with bonus points for locals.

[seemslikeadream]

7. Have you seen this from Janes Defense?

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=12870

You wouldn't happen to have a pass word for Jane's? Bugnotme use to have one but no more

[comradebillyboy]

10. As part of its ascention process into the EU

Turkey has made considerable concessions to its Kurdish minority population since that article was written. For that reason alone, they will likely try to avoid too much collateral damage in Iraq.

In any event, about 90% of Iraqi Kurdistan's commerce is with Turkey, as it has terrible relations with Iran and Syria its other neighbors. Neither the Shia or Sunni Arabs have any use for the Kurds. Once the US leave Iraq, the Kurds will likely need the Turks to protect them from Iran and their Iraqi Arab brethren.

Bottom line is if they wan an autonomous Kurdish state in norther Iraq, they had better play ball with the Turks in suppressing the PKK. The Kurds have about as many friends in the world as the Palestinians, and thats virtually none.

As far as allies go, Turkey has been a strong NATO ally for the last 60 years or so, they are also Israel's only ally in the Muslim world.

[KharmaTrain]

8. And The Kurds Get Sold Out Again...

They were used as pawns in 1975 when Kissinger brokered a deal between Hussein and the Shah that opened the door to a decade of persecution against the Kurds by the Iraqis...highlighted by the chemical attack in 1988. Then the Kurds were sold out during the early days of Gulf Oil War I and headed for the mountains by the thousands creating an international crisis and mess for Poppy Bush until he instituted the first "No Fly Zone" that allowed Barzani and others to set up their quasi-state. Then there was the screw ups and sell outs during the 90's as the CIA tried to build resistance groups to Hussein who would be turned on their heads and against the Kurds. Now its the Turks.

The U.S. can't afford to piss off Turkey. We still have a military presence in the country and they hold a lot of influence with other states in the area. The boooosh cabal can do business with the Turks...as long as the oil goes through them and not the Russians or the Iranians. I wouldn't be surprised if we learn this invasion was long in the planning and coordination to relieve pressure on the U.S. northern flank...but for a price...as always.

[NNN0LHI]

9. Kurds should have thought of this when Bush trucked them to Fallujah

To pick off their fellow countrymen with sniper fire like shooting fish in a barrel.

They were everyones hero back then.

Don

[stillcool]

11. divvying up the pie?

[comradebillyboy]

12. There has never been an independant Kurdish

nation and I don't think Turkey, Syria and Iran are going to give up chunks of their countries for the benefit of a greater Kurdistan. I sure don't think the Kurds have the wherewithal to make it happen. If the Iraqi Arabs get their way there won't be any Kurds left in Iraq once the ethnic cleansing is over.

[stillcool]

13. what do you mean?

The history is long and bloody...as is the entire region...but, to me.....it doesn't suggest that there "never was" and independent Kurdistan.

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/169.html
The History Of Kurdistan
www.kurdistan.org