Lies and truths

[Mythsaje]

(just because)

I'm sick of listening to the lies. I'm sick of reading the lies. I'm sick of trying to refute the lies.

Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Saddam and OBL hated each other. Saddam was an asshole, but there are a LOT of assholes out there.

Telling the truth is not treasonous. It's telling the truth. Something more politicians should try now and again.

The "liberal" media is anything but liberal. It's beholden to the advertisers, who have their OWN fucking agenda. It's entertainment, and not even GOOD entertainment. It's not remotely connected to the truth anymore. It's all about ratings, and ratings are all about commercials, and commercials are all about corporate advertising. THAT'S a no brainer.

People need the help of their community to succeed. There's no such thing as bootstrap levitation. No man or woman is an island, and without community support, people are lost...or crawl off into the woods to mail letter-bombs.

Everyone deserves decent healthcare, and socialized medicine actually works! The ONLY flaw in the system at that point is if fewer people can afford to become doctors because they go into debt trying to pay their way through medical school on student loans.

What part of "you can't fight an enemy you can't even identify" don't these people get? Not all Iraqis, Arabs, or Muslims are the enemy. The enemy is a mindset--and it's the same goddam mindset our current government seems to embrace. Violence is rarely an answer to anything without sincere attempts at diplomacy and compromise to go along with it.

People who've never been to war should not be allowed to play army with REAL SOLDIERS.

Gay marriage is only a threat to people who don't understand that marriage is a partnership, not a ownership contract.

The PEOPLE own themselves--their bodies and souls do not belong to the State, their employers, their church, or anyone else.

Freedom of speech is sacrosanct. Mess with it at your peril.

We OWN the government. Not the other way around.

You can oppose abortion or effective birth control and sex education. Pick one.

If I want to hear about Jesus, I'll ask.

Higher wages for the lowest classes means more money to spend. More money for the upper classes means LESS money spent. Which do you really think stimulates the economy?

Marx called religion "the opiate of the masses." These days in America, it's probably sports. Religion is more like a hullucinogen.

"Don't do drugs. Except these. And these. And these. And these."

"Alternative energy is a pipe dream." Yeah, kinda like the moon landing.

"America. Love it or leave it." You first.

The Death Penalty is retroactive abortion.

If this administration gave a SHIT about education, they'd fund it. Talk is cheap. Education isn't.

People shouldn't have to go deep in debt just to become more productive members of society.

Minimum wage jobs do not contribute to the tax base.

A stellar teacher is worth a hundred times more than a sports star. It would be nice if they made even a tenth of the salary.

A tiny fraction of the population is getting a free ride on everyone else's labor. And complaining about everyone else while they're getting it. Must be nice.

"Freedom isn't free." As soon as someone explains to me how killing and dying in a dusty place across the ocean contributes to OUR freedom, I might be inclined to agree. Near as I can tell, with illegal wiretapping, illicit surveillance, and 'free speech zones,' we're paying one hell of a high price for increased restrictions on freedom. Tyranny isn't free either, apparently.

What makes some people think big business is more benevolent than 'big government?' Were they repeatedly dropped on their heads when they were little?

Okay, I agree with you. Bush isn't stupid. He's just an asshole. Feel better?

If unscrupulous employers didn't HIRE illegal immigrants, they wouldn't be rushing the borders. Who do you think's really to blame? People who will risk everything to have a better life, or those who already have everything but want cheap labor to exploit so they can have more?

The political divide in this country will never be healed as long as people like Ann Coulter are running around spewing shit. Maybe if she actually ate something once in a while she wouldn't be so damned nasty all the time.

Hey, if the CEO of Pollution Inc. wants to take a crap in the corner of his own living room, that's okay with me. But the minute he tries to crap in my house, I'm going to smack him in the head with a big stick. I don't care WHO his friends are.

I'd rather be friends with a spotted owl than an ignorant logger.

I'm more worried about Grand Theft America than Grand Theft Auto. Call me crazy.

I don't know if this administration had anything to do with 9/11. But I do know they've screwed up just about everything they'd done since. I've never seen any bunch of people more deserving of walking papers in my entire life. And I've worked with some real losers.

If we're depending on the Supreme Court to defend the Constitution, we are in some DEEP shit.

[Angela Shelley]

1. Hurrah, hurrah. Go Mythsaje!

[Snotcicles]

2. Wha-hoppin?

[flashl]

3. K&R n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

4. Good for you Mythsaje

your plagiarist is sporting granite now.

[Horse with no Name]

5. I understand you are upset

But...greenbriar has always been a good member of this community.
I wish you had taken this up privately with the admins.:(

[Mythsaje]

8. I did. As did others.

Banning wouldn't exactly have been my first choice, but this IS my rant. And I'm protective of my words, as I should be.

I mean, how would any writer feel logging on to find one of their posts at the top of the Greatest Page with someone else taking credit for it?

[MonkeyFunk]

12. I think Mythsaje did just fine...

it's unconscionable to just copy/paste somebody else's work and present it as your own. Not to mention incredibly stupid - did he think nobody would notice? He deserved a public shaming.

[NanceGreggs]

16. I have to disagree with you on this one, HWNN ...

Greenbriar chose to 'publicly' take credit for someone else's work. That is not a 'private' matter, nor should it be.

Mythsaje did alert the Admins via a PM Alert - as did a lot of us.

Greenbriar was a good member of this community for a long time - but he ceased being so when he did what he did.

[Horse with no Name]

29. It's okay Nance

I just hate public floggings and this kind of feels what this is, especially since it was from someone I had always respected--maybe that is why the whole situation makes me a little queasy.

It was completely wrong and totally unethical--don't get me wrong--and I am happy that it was correctly attributed back to Mythsage. It just has a bad aftertaste.
:hug:

[NanceGreggs]

30. I agree about the bad aftertaste for all of us ...

... but there was no way this wrong could have been made right without it becoming DU 'public' knowledge.

:hug: right back at ya!

[uppityperson]

17. IF had JUST posted, would've been ok, but taking credit? Nope. k&r.

[Occam Bandage]

21. A good member of this community, who stole another DUer's work and pretended to have written it.

[Dorian Gray]

27. He/she

shouldn't plagiarize. I'm sorry, but that was reprehensible.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

28. Mythsaje's responses to this outrage have been beyond the measure of grace.

It NEEDED to be made public, just as the plagiarism was perpetrated publicly. The true author's restraint in responding to the outrage was as astonishing as the plagiarism itself.

[omega minimo]

6. So then what? A flippant list (correctly attributed) is still just that. Ends w/what we already know

"we are in some DEEP shit..."

and just leaves it hanging on a big "IF"

"If we're depending on the Supreme Court to defend the Constitution, we are in some DEEP shit."

What do you do with the dots after you connect them?

:shrug:

[FreeState]

7. Gay marriage is only a threat to people who don't understand that marriage is a partnership

"Gay marriage is only a threat to people who don't understand that marriage is a partnership, not a ownership contract."

Couldn't have said it better myself. That would make an awesome bumper sticker.

[omega minimo]

11. which is why gay marriage is a threat to the male dominant paradigm -- yet advocates ignore that

[libnnc]

9. Kick in support of proper attribution.

Plagiarism is not cool in any context.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

10. Wish I could give 10 recs

this OP deserves them.

[Richard Steele]

13. K&R

[Bjorn Against]

14. Now that the proper author will get the credit I am happy to K&R this

[truedelphi]

15. The media is beholden to the advertisers. which is why

Indy fil producer and documentary creator Michale Moore assigned himself the project
of health care and insurance weirdness in the USA.

The Major Networks are not going to insult the local hospital chains that operate inside their locales. Nor will they upset the drug pushing Big Pharma concerns.

[Nicole]

18. K & R

:kick:

[Dawggie]

19. Well said! K&R

[Old and In the Way]

20. This reads like the Unified Field Theory of all that's wrong with this country.

Good stuff. K/R

[Occam Bandage]

22. Good for you. Thank you.

[NanceGreggs]

23. Hey, Mythsaje fans!

Come on over:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2479450&mesg_id=2479450

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

24. Such a way with words. K & R!

:applause: MKJ

[ClayZ]

25. K and R!

[porphyrian]

26. I'll kick that. -n/t

[IsItJustMe]

31. Common un-adulterated sense!!! It's like you have a sword that cuts right through bull shit.

[Control-Z]

32. You've said

everything I wish I had the power and talent to say, have wanted to say, and what haunts me each and every day. I'm so angry right now by the selfish, greedy, self serving people who don't get it, are a part of it, or simply choose to turn their backs on it. That's all. If I could rant the way you do I would go on - and on - and on.

Thank you.

[Hatchling]

33. Wonderful words. Awesome summing up of our predicament.

I feel sick and sad that I K&R'd the other post. I feel that I was cheated as well.

Mythsaje, you are one of my favorite posters here. I always click on your posts if I see them, even if I am too tired to read anything else.

[Lugnut]

34. K&R n/t

[cadaverdog]

35. Wow! Feel that? Did someone just open a window here? K&R

[hfojvt]

36. wow, that seems familiar

any idea who wrote it?



Man, I wish somebody would copy something from my journal and have it end up on the greatest page. I'm not holding my breath though.

[proud patriot]

37. k and R

[bjobotts]

38. One word...anthrax...now shut up and go back to sleep. The nerve of some people

[barbtries]

39. as i responded to the person who posted this gem

as his own:
...

this is excellent.

jeez it's like a breath of fresh air to read the truth for a change. thank you. can't argue with this. every person alive should read and digest it. i wish i knew of a way to make that happen. i have it on good authority that when i send something like this out on email my right wing relatives scrunch up their noses and delete post-haste as if i had just taken a crap in their computer.

...

i didn't even know it was yours. wow.

[TellTheTruth82]

46. Conservatives agree with many of these items too....

I'm not a right wing relative of yours, but I am a conservative, and you might be surprised. I agree with a great deal of the post (whoever wrote it) - though not all.

As an example:

"Higher wages for the lowest classes means more money to spend. More money for the upper classes means LESS money spent. Which do you really think stimulates the economy?"

How about:
"Higher wages for the lowest classes means more money to spend. More money for the upper classes means more money spent."

How about both stimulate the economy? (though in different ways). There are many studies are there that show both these positions to be true.

The real question is probably which position stimulates the economy more, but because of poor communication skills, this is what is meant, but not said, and therefore people are arguing over the wrong question....

[truedelphi]

49. In the old days this was true (Tax break to rich meant money spent here)

But in this modern age, it means that the top 1% which has really benefitted, is building
R & D labs in Singapore. Or shipping yet another manufacturing plant off to some other third world place.

Even a tax break to the moderately elite means they get more heavily into the stock market - which is made up of companies doing the above.

If you help the middle class, they can benefit the society locally. They can afford to advertise their business. They can afford to create a business for themselves.


ANd then the offshoots of that prospertity take root. "Sam's Carpet Cleaners" adds three workers and two trucks.

The local diners see a small but nice upturn. The local newspaper had more ad revenue. The local uniform supply company has a small gain.

Multiply this by the millions of small businesses across the country and you really see a difference.

[barbtries]

52. i'm sure that's all true

and i know that there still exist reasonable people who consider themselves "conservative" as opposed to "liberal." unfortunately those are not the people i referenced. all the people i had in mind would see of this great rant is that it came from DU - they'd never even read it. i can see them now, "dammit, barbara sent me another one of those dumbass democrat wingnut crap pieces. i wish she'd cut that out."

[southtpa]

40. one thing wrong

I haven't seen a retired general on TV that I would trust to change the oil in my car. I was fifteen and the Viet Nam war was barely into the adviser in combat stage when I saw the absolute stupidity of that war. Some of us haven't had a just war to go to. Going to another mans country to shoot him for sport isn't right. Civilians can and should be in charge just not these civilians.

[Thothmes]

41. Loggers are no more ignorant than

coal miners, steel mill workers, oil field workers, automobile workers or construction workers. They are people trying to earn a living for themselves and their families in the areas they grew up in.

[caseycoon]

42. Ahhhh Mythsaje!

You said it ALL!
Great post!
:thumbsup:

[madokie]

43. hell thats how I feel too

mad as hell and ain't gonna' take it no more
rec
Every person in America should read this,

[Javaman]

44. my one simple dream...

it would be a sports star like ARod, donating 90% of his salary to fund teachers in underfunded schools. Even without 90% of his salary, he would still be a millionaire many times over. (sick thought isn't it?)

We aren't going to eliminate sports, too much money involved.

However, a true sports "star" doing something like this would elevate him or herself to hero status.

There are no more heroes.

[HughBeaumont]

45. One great post that, well, all of America needs to read.

The "Love it or Leave It, Tommy" people don't even consider the notion of everyone staying and making REAL change.

[Raster]

47. Standing O!!! Kicked and Highly Recommended!

Wake up, America!:kick:

[doublethink]

48. WTF? Mythsaje .......

How the hell the first time you posted this piece here ... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2508595

did it only get 6 comments ... and no recs that I can see???? Beyond the plagiarism issue and your justification in the re-posting, this original work of yours needed more exposure for what it's worth. And I for one am grateful it did. Thank you for writing it. Now someone explain to me why such a good piece originally only got 6 comments (maybe because it was posted like 2:00 in the morning?) ...... :crazy:

Peace. K&R.

[toadzilla]

50. nice.

kick!

[wiggs]

51. And: Stephen Colbert was not funny. A compilation of lies from last year...

...from a DU post...wish I had kept the link:


STEPHEN COLBERT WAS NOT FUNNY

By Dave V.

Stephen Colbert was not funny.
Helen Thomas is old and batty.
Mexicans are taking our jobs.
Iraq sent its WMDs to Syria.
Democrats don't want to wiretap terrorists.
Joe Wilson admitted that Valerie Plame wasn't covert.
Tom DeLay is like Jesus Christ.
Karl Rove has a faulty memory.
Scooter Libby has a faulty memory.
No one could have anticipated that the levees would be breached.
We do not torture.
There is no global warming.
There is global warming, but humans aren't causing it.
Howard Dean can't raise money.
John Kerry is a flip-flopper.
George W. Bush is a decider.
John McCain is a straight shooter.
Dick Cheney is a sober shooter.
Nobody at the White House knows Jack Abramoff.
Democrats do.
The economy is doing great.
Evolution isn't supported by the facts.
Diebold voting machines are secure.
Fox News is fair and balanced.
Mission accomplished.
Bill Clinton did it too.
No one could have anticipated the Iraqi insurgency.
The budget deficit will be cut in half in four years.
Anyone who thinks Dubai shouldn't control our ports is racist.
No one who thinks we should build a wall along the Mexican border is racist.
George Allen isn't a racist . . . anymore.
Terry Schiavo wants to live.
Andrea Clark wants to die.
We've turned a corner in Iraq.
There is a war on Christmas.
There is a war on Easter.
There is no civil war in Iraq.
The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.
Bush won Florida in 2000.
Losing by 2 million votes in 2000 is a mandate.
This administration will hold itself accountable.
Brownie did a heck of a job.
Kathleen Blanco never asked for federal help.
Ray Nagin should have used the buses.
Gay couples seek to destroy marriage.
Man existed alongside the dinoraurs.
The earth is 6,000 years old.
America is a Christian nation.
George W. Bush is a Christian man.
George W. Bush is a great guy to have a beer with.
George W. Bush is a war hero. John Kerry isn't.
John Kerry outed Mary Cheney.
John Kerry shot himself in the leg to earn his medals.
Al Gore thinks he invented the Internet. Franklin D. Roosevelt was a communist and a terrible president.
Ronald Reagan was the best president in history.
Hillary Clinton will be the Dem nominee in 2008.
Bill Clinton caused 9/11.
Bill Clinton was offered Bin Laden on a silver platter and turned it down.
Saddam Hussein attacked us on 9/11.
No one could have anticipated airplanes flying into buildings.
We have removed the Taliban from Afghanistan. The Iraqis will welcome us with open arms and flowers.
It could take six days, six weeks - I doubt six months.
Pat Tillman was killed by enemy fire.
Yellow magnet car ribbons help the troops.
The insurgency is in its last throes.
They hate us for our freedom.
The only way to get Zarqawi is to invade Iraq.
We're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here.
When they stand up, we'll stand down.
Iraqi oil will pay for the war and the reconstruction.
Gas prices are high because of liberal environmentalists.
Gas prices are high because of taxes.
Drilling in the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge will lower the price of oil.
Unemployment numbers have never been so low.
Outsourcing will create more jobs.
The vast majority of Bush's tax cuts go to the bottom end of the spectrum.
Tax breaks for Hummers are good for the economy.
Tax cuts increase federal revenue.
The estate tax hurts family farms.
Private accounts will save Social Security.
Bush will make health insurance affordable for low-income families.
The Healthy Forests Initiative will help forests.
No Child Left Behind will help children.
The Clear Skies Initiative will reduce air pollution.
Republicans are compassionate conservatives.
Republicans are pro-life.
Nothing is more important in a time of war than cutting taxes.
Democrats hate America.
Hillary Clinton murdered Vince Foster.
"Bin Laden Determined to Strike within the U.S." was a historical document.
The national anthem should only be sung in English.
Jesus would have voted for Bush.
Whenever we say "wiretap," that means we're going to get a court order.
Chris Matthews will not let anything get by him.
George Bush was a successful businessman.
The government is tapping your phone to protect you.
Dissent is unpatriotic.
Valerie Plame is a traitor.
Patrick Fitzgerald is going to indict Joe Wilson.
Jeff Gannon is a serious journalist.
Rush is right.
The media is liberal.
You're either with us or against us.
A vote for John Kerry is a vote for Al Qaeda.
George Bush doesn't read the polls.
Congress had access to the same intelligence.
Iraq is the central front on the war on terrorism.
Republicans are the party of ideas.
Those trucks we found in Iraq were mobile biological weapons labs.
We know where the WMD are.
Anyone who leaks information will no longer be part of this administration.
Sex education causes STDs and increases pregnancy rates.
HPV vaccine will cause teen sex cults.
Harriet Miers would be a great Supreme Court justice.
Vice President Cheney no longer has ties with Halliburton.
Bush will restore honor and integrity to the White House.
Up is down.
Black is white.
Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.

Copyright 2006 Daily Kos (and sent by Bill H.)