You know what really screws my head up with Global warming

[blues90]

these idiots talk about 2050 , Gore says we have to act now . I have read about us having maybe 10 to 20 years before it's to late and I have also read it may already be to late .

so what baffles me is with the economy so very screwed up and most people have no money who even with the best intentions do want to stop global warming how in the hell are they and me or you going to rush out and buy a car that is either electric or a hybrid ?

I look around and I see millions of cars running on gas , most are new with loans already . Then what are people to do with the cars they have now ?

There is so much to do and so little time to do it in . These damn auto manufacturers have had decades to build efficient cars and have done nothing but build bigger gas guzzlers . Beside that many americans have to have 3 or more cars per family , what happened to the family car , did this go to hell when everyone in the family had to go to work just to pay for the crap they have ?


I just don't get the idea behind this sort of mentality . I am for reducing all pollution I won't be around to see 2050 of even 2020 if I'm lucky .

Some people thing nuclear power plants are the greatest thing since sliced bread but this is not the answer , not in my world , screw that .

Just about everything you buy has a plug on it and the products are endless , did no one think that all this crap needs fuel to run on , what was wrong with paper , no every company has to have all sorts of computers and printers and crap and off we go into the carbon footprint that makes a T-rex pale in comparison .

[DS1]

1. If we weren't up to our eyeballs in Iraq

we could pay for another FDR style new deal with people going gangbusters building wind and solar power farms.

But no.

[kestrel91316]

2. Nope. Can't do that. That's SOCIALISM.

[DS1]

3. If saving the planet makes me a socialist then

so be it

[kestrel91316]

9. Me, too.

[Bigmack]

4. I'm so old I remember the oil embargo....

If we had started on a path to new energy sources then.... well... we wouldn't have to try to do all this shit overnight.

1980 election.... Turning Point in History. We coulda done something good. Didn't.

2000 election.... Turning Point in History. We coulda done something good. Didn't.

Now we've got those new gasguzzlers and the big payments....and the dollar in the shit... and a trillion bucks or so down the shitter in Iraq...and a shrinking manufacturing base... and a crumbling empire....and....

Read "Party's Over" by Richard Heinberg or "Collapse" by Jared Diamond.

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. 1980 we DID do something. We stepped BACK.

Removed the solar panels from the WH which Carter had installed as a symbolic committment to freedom from ME oil.

[trof]

8. Yep, I got a tax credit for installing solar.

[sandnsea]

7. 1992 election

We coulda done something good. Didn't.

Gas prices went to an all time low which lulled people into a false sense of security about the environment. We let Al Gore be ridiculed as ozone man. Clinton's environmental plan actually just put some trees away for the future, which George Bush immediately chopped down.

If we aren't honest about how we got here, we'll never fix it.

[blues90]

10. I was 23 when the first gas shortage emerged

I was working at a gas station in ILL and watched and dealt with the madness of the gas lines and so many gallons allowed . But no , it went way for a few years and came back and still nothing was done . Oh , there was talk of building smaller cars but that didn't last long and now there much be a thousand times as many cars on the road all running on gasoline with V-8's still in production even in cars , it's complete madness .

[orleans]

6. i know. i feel that sense of urgency too. n/t