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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 12:00 AM
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RESTORE: Warrantless Spying Showdown Postponed to Monday -- UPDATED
Before getting too reactionary, read Wyden's comments. I still expect an interesting floor event! Read why.

Warrantless Spying Showdown Postponed to Monday -- UPDATED
By Ryan Singel | Dec 14, 2007 | http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/12/warrantless-spy.html


Senate Majority leader Harry Reid announced Friday that he will start debate Monday on bills that will let the nation's spies use American telecom facilities and services for warrantless wiretapping, choosing to start with the most expansive bill and then letting a second version be considered as an amendment. Congress is moving quickly on the legislation, since the Democrats are seeking to reverse some of the extensive surveillance powers it handed to the Administration this summer in rush legislation known as the Protect America Act.

Action could have started as soon as today, forcing a promised filibuster to happen over the weekend, but today Reid indicated on the Senate floor that he would wait until Monday:

In this instance on the FISA bill the controversial but important FISA bill, there are two committees that have jurisdiction. Intelligence committee and after that it is referred to the judiciary committee. They have both done their work and they have done good work. What some may want to do is take what I thought was the best out of one and the best of the other and bring it to the floor. I cannot do that unless I trample the system. Under regular order, I will bring the intelligence committee bill to the floor and the first operative action after that is the judiciary committee. Senator Leahy is an experienced veteran legislator here longer than I and he knows what it do. The Senate will work its will as to what needs to be done with FISA. I'll guarantee you right now, one thing that's going to occur: not everyone will be happy.


The move comes after weeks of speculation over whether Reid would prefer the Senate Intelligence committee's version - a bill favored by the Administration -- or the Senate Judiciary's version. Senator Christopher Dodd (D-Connecticut has a hold on the Intel bill, since it includes amnesty for telecoms being sued for helping with the government's secret, warrantless wiretapping program, but Reid decided to override that hold.

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On Wednesday, 14 senators urged (http://feingold.senate.gov/pdf/ltr_reid_121207.pdf) Reid to start with the Senate Judiciary bill, since it was written up in an open, rather than secret, process.

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Dodd To Hillary And Obama: Will You Make Good On Your Promise To Support My FISA Filibuster?
By Greg Sargent - Dec14, 2007 - http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/12/dodd_demands_hillary_and_obama_make_good_on_promise_to_support_his_fisa_filibuster.php

This morning, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced on the Senate floor that the Senate FISA renewal bill containing immunity for the telecoms would go to the floor on Monday. The move, which many expected, dismayed opponents of telecom immunity.

Now the campaign of Senator Chris Dodd, who has promised to put a hold on and filibuster the bill, has just sent out an email to supporters containing a challenge for the other Dem Senators running for President:

VIEW LETTER with ACTION links here:
Support the Filibuster. Check out what the Dodd campaign just put out!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2472113

Leahy:

"The Senate should act to add protections for Americans' rights that were not included in the Protect America Act. I have been consulting with Leader Reid and Chairman Rockefeller about how to proceed, and support the decision to proceed by regular order. Senator Reid is right to bring this legislation to the floor and is doing so in a way that allows consideration of the many improvements made by the bill reported by the Senate Judiciary Committee. I oppose retroactive immunity for the telephone companies that would eliminate the courts as a check on the illegality of the warrantless wiretapping of Americans that the administration secretly engaged in for almost six years. I will continue to work to ensure that the government is held accountable for its actions and that those whose rights were infringed not be left out in the cold. I look forward to a vigorous debate next week and to seeking to make the final bill considered by the Senate as good as it can be."


Wyden:

I want to say a word about the process which the distinguished senate majority leader has jus touched on. I was one of two in the senate intelligence committee to oppose the intelligence committee's version of the legislation. I am strongly opposed to granting telecommunications companies total retroactive immunity when they have been accused of wrongdoing in the president's wireless wiretapping legislation. It was the major reasonable why i opposed the legislation.

I do, however, respect Senator Reid's decision to hold the debate on this legislation under the regular senate rules. certainly, the distinguished majority leader has been under a lot of pressure from all sides to change the rules that in one way might favor one side or the other, but i think the majority leader has made the right decision by insisting that this debate go by the book.

I've had the chance now to work with the distinguished majority leader for more than a quarter of a century. I know how much respect he has for the senate and for this institution. He firmly believes in the committee process. He firmly believes in the senate rules and traditions, and he worked to carry those beliefs out as both the minority whip and the minority leader.



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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 01:48 AM
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1. AT&T Whistle-Blower Hits D.C. To Stop Telecom Spying Immunity
AT&T Whistle-Blower Hits D.C. To Stop Telecom Spying Immunity
By Ryan Singel - Nov 07, 2007 - http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/11/att-whistle-blo.html

Former AT&T technician and wiretapping whistle-blower Mark Klein traveled to the nation's marble halls of power Wednesday, hoping to persuade lawmakers not to crush the lawsuit against AT&T that is largely based on his allegations that his former employer wiretapped the internet on behalf of the government.

The Senate Judiciary plans Thursday to mark-up a measure passed by the secretive Senate Intelligence Committee would let telecoms like AT&T and Verizon escape the bevy of lawsuits accusing them of massively violating Americans' privacy, so long as the attorney general writes a letter to the judge saying that the government told the companies that the president thought he had Constitutional authority to evade the nation's privacy laws.

In January 2006, after the Los Angeles Times killed an article on his allegations after editors met with senior government officials, Klein walked into the Electronic Frontier Foundation and handed them a set of AT&T documents he took with him when he retired.

Those documents detail how AT&T diverted portions of fiber optic internet cables, -included powerful snooping hardware and a fat fiber connection out of the room. ....................
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 01:52 AM
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2. VIDEO: Interview: AT&T Whistleblower Mark Klein on Bush's Illegal Surveillance and Retroactive Immun
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 01:54 AM
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3. AT&T Whistleblower Mark Klein On Olbermann
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 01:56 AM
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4. White House Spy Docs Show Surveillance Was Illegal, Senator Feingold Charges
White House Spy Docs Show Surveillance Was Illegal, Senator Feingold Charges
By Ryan Singel - Oct 18, 2007 - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2288799


Senator Russell Feingold, (D-Wisconsin), who cast the only Senate vote against the Patriot Act and now sits on the Select Intelligence committee, seems to have looked at secret spying documents given by the White House to that committee and found that they do not exonerate the government's secret spying programs or the phone and internet companies that secretly aided them.

The White House seemingly provided the documents in exchange for legislation that would free its telecom partners from being sued by Americans for violating their privacy. The Senate Intelligence Committee is holding a closed meeting on the bill today.
According to a press release:

"When the Committee considers this legislation today, I will also fight to reject immunity for anyone alleged to have cooperated with the Administration’s illegal warrantless wiretapping program. The documents made available by the White House for the first time this week only further demonstrate that the program was illegal and that there is no basis for granting retroactive immunity ......
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 04:48 PM
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5. visibility kick
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:33 PM
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6. kick for the evening crowd
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:47 AM
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7. kick for the late evening crowd
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:11 AM
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8. k + r n/t
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 09:37 PM
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9. This needs a kick because the reactionaries are blasting Reid w/o knowing
the details. Typical.
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