Did BUSH direct Water Torture via live video feed? The CRIME is always proportional to the cover up

[L. Coyote]

When a CIA agent is on eight networks in one day spilling the beans with impunity,
somebody is pulling his strings and what we are getting is the latest fall back story.

Something VERY IMPEACHABLE must be behind this one. Obstruction of Congress seems certain already.

That is a huge crime, and Congress members are not witnesses you cannot refute or silence (easily).
So, the crimes that the Obstruction of Congress crimes covered up must be even worse.

My best bet. The reason interrogations started being video taped was to live feed them
home to Langley, and then to whoever in the chain of command that wanted to watch and
to whoever gave the orders and directed the torture, to the Decider.

Hey, I'm just reading between the lines, but I'm very good at that!
Bush was directly involved via live video feed is my perception,
and that would justify the starling number of serious crimes involved
in this scandal and the myriad crimes of covering up and destroying the tapes.

(PS. This is not an invite for the infants to post their idiocies again!)

[spanone]

1. i can just see him & cheney hunkered around a flat-screen

and i'm serious

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[DCKit]

17. Friday Night WH Circle Jerk. n/t

[blondeatlast]

2. That might explain his careful wording regarding the timing.

Buffy Bratz response is interesting:

"I spoke to the president this morning about this," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said. "He has no recollection of being made aware of the tapes or their destruction before yesterday. He was briefed by General Hayden yesterday morning."

That doesn't mean he didn't know it was happening--far from it...

Edit: techno hiccup posted before completes.

[L. Coyote]

5. Oh how lawyers and spokesmodels parse lies. There is always a perjury proof twist of words.

As a child, I knew better than to stick my hand in the cookie jar.
You tip the jar, pour out a cookies, and say, "I didn't put MY hand in the cookie jar."

[blondeatlast]

8. Indeed. He knew about the torture, because it was happening right in front of his eyes,

but he "didn't know" there was evidence.

My political wonkdom occurred at the same time I bloomed into womanhood--Watergate...

[seemslikeadream]

4. bush and cheney had to watch to hear EXACTLY

what was being said



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DEAD BECAUSE OF A LIE

[flordehinojos]

6. what an interesting theory ... poppy was sitting right next to him too.

hoping that historians would be merciful to the two of them in their assessment of bush family historical facts.

[seafan]

7. Yeah, Max Mayfield on live video feed to * before Katrina hit, comes to mind as well.

So this must be what the *virtual tour* given to the Gang of 4 showing CIA illegal activities/detention was all about.


* likes his teevee.


You may be right, L. Coyote.

[Ezlivin]

9. Well, there is the rumor he watched the first plane strike on 9/11 live via a feed

Occasion 1:

President Bush Holds Town Hall Meeting

QUESTION: One thing, Mr. President, is that you have no idea how much you've done for this country, and another thing is that how did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?

BUSH: Well... (APPLAUSE)

Thank you, Jordan (ph).

Well, Jordan (ph), you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."

But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack."

Occasion 2:

President Holds Town Hall Forum on Economy in California


"I was sitting there, and my Chief of Staff -- well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on..."

For those of you who are paying attention, you'll recall that the first aircraft's impact was caught on film and was not released until the following day.

Video of his comments

[hootinholler]

10. I doubt that is the view he saw...

The first impact video available to the public that it. I bet he had a much better view.

-Hoot

[L. Coyote]

11. Who authorized the CIA to destroy interrogation videos?

Of course, I view the info being "leaked" today by anonymous agents of the Junta as nothing more than the "implausible-to-deny fall back position" woven with the effort to make sure no more comes out, the new cover story aqnd deception in effect.

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Paper Trail
Who authorized the CIA to destroy interrogation videos?
By Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball
Newsweek Web Exclusive - Dec 11, 2007 - http://www.newsweek.com/id/76574/output/print

The CIA repeatedly asked White House lawyer Harriet Miers over a two-year period for instructions regarding what to do with "very clinical" videotapes depicting the use of "enhanced" interrogation techniques on two top Al Qaeda captives, according to former and current intelligence officials familiar with the communications (who requested anonymity when discussing the controversial issue). The tapes are believed to have included evidence of waterboarding and other interrogation methods that Bush administration critics have described as torture.

Senior officials of the CIA's National Clandestine Service finally decided on their own authority in late 2005 to destroy the tapes—which were kept at a secret location overseas......

A detailed written transcript of the tapes' contents—apparently including references to interrogation techniques—was subsequently made by the CIA. But the tapes themselves were never brought onto U.S. territory; they were kept, and later destroyed, at a secret location overseas. At one point portions of the tapes were electronically transmitted to CIA headquarters in Langley, Va., so a small number of officials there could review them. A counterterrorism source, who also asked for anonymity when discussing this subject, said that there was no reason to believe that any recordings of such an electronic feed still exist.

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[L. Coyote]

12. White House hints, but won’t say, that waterboarding is legal

Beginning with the Mukasey torture grilling to the spokesmodel parsements, it is obvious everyone is under orders to NOT say water torture is torture.

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White House hints, but won’t say, that waterboarding is legal
Dec 12th, 2007 - http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/13893.html


Between CIA revelations, months of reports, detainee testimony, and John Kiriakou’s very public comments, there is no longer a question as to whether Bush administration officials used waterboarding to torture suspects. But the White House can’t concede reality because a) the Bush gang has to maintain the fiction that it opposes torture; and b) torture is still illegal.

It led to an Abbott-and-Costello-like press briefing with Dana Perino yesterday. A reporter asked whether the questioning of Abu Zubaydah conformed with “the interrogation program approved by President Bush.” Perino would only say, “All have been done within the legal framework that was set out after September 11th…. The entire program has been legal.”

After the obligatory, “The United States does not torture,” we saw this exchange.

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[L. Coyote]

13. CIA agent : Waterboarding is "an intelligence success story" on NPR.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

14. Oh, puh-lease! Little George IS AN INFANT fed whatever stops him from crying.

Doesn't make him less gullible (as an INTENTIONALLY IGNORANT facade for a pResident) and you KNOW Cheney and Rummy probably drank some fine liquor watching those tapes.

THEY APPROVED WAR CRIMES!!! I'm sure they lusted while viewing them,...being the sick mo-fos that they are.

[L. Coyote]

15. VISIBLE in tapes "... more senior officers who happened to be visiting."

"One former official said interrogators' faces were visible on at least one video, as were those of more senior officers who happened to be visiting." Happened? Visiting? Keep in mind that we're talking about CIA officials in a torture chamber, not tourists at a local landmark.

Then again, for background, Gorman offers this on Rodriguez: He is, she writes, "a product of what one former agency colleague called ‘the rough-and-tumble' Latin American division" of the CIA from the 1980s. "Rough and tumble"? You won't find out what that means from her column, but just keep reading this post. In our period, men like Rodriguez, under the leadership of George W. Bush, have essentially globalized those "rough and tumble" methods of the CIA's Latin American division. As Greg Grandin -- whose superb book, Empire's Workshop: Latin America, the United States, and the Rise of the New Imperialism, nails those "rough-and-tumble" years -- points out, they have turned the "unholy trinity" that the U.S. developed in Latin America into a global operation. Tom

The Unholy Trinity
Death Squads, Disappearances, and Torture -- from Latin America to Iraq
By Greg Grandin

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http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174873/greg_grandin_on_the_torturable_and_the_untorturable

[L. Coyote]

16. George Bush Sr. May Face Charges: Conspiring to Kidnap and Murder Political Activists

Context, context, context: More on the Latin American Death Squads, Disappearances, and Torture

George Bush Sr. May Face Charges: Conspiring to Kidnap and Murder Political Activists
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TERRORISM as a Tool of the State = Operation Condor: Clandestine Inter-American System.
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