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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:45 PM
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The Pope condemns the climate change prophets of doom
Pope Benedict XVI has launched a surprise attack on climate change prophets of doom, warning them that any solutions to global warming must be based on firm evidence and not on dubious ideology.

The leader of more than a billion Roman Catholics suggested that fears over man-made emissions melting the ice caps and causing a wave of unprecedented disasters were nothing more than scare-mongering.

The German-born Pontiff said that while some concerns may be valid it was vital that the international community based its policies on science rather than the dogma of the environmentalist movement.

His remarks will be made in his annual message for World Peace Day on January 1, but they were released as delegates from all over the world convened on the Indonesian holiday island of Bali for UN climate change talks.

The 80-year-old Pope said the world needed to care for the environment but not to the point where the welfare of animals and plants was given a greater priority than that of mankind.

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For more, go here:

UK Daily Mail
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:46 PM
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1. neocon/ Opus Dei strikes again.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:46 PM
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2. Has any pope ever received a Nobel Prize?
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:46 PM
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3. "...must be based on firm evidence and not on dubious ideology" is funny on so many levels.
If it weren't so sad.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:49 PM
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8. Irony alert.
nt


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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:35 PM
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18. You caught that one, too?
There is more concrete physical evidence for the whole of Catholic teachings
than there is for global warming? Next thing you know, he will be telling us
that the Inquisition was nothing more than a series of friendly Q & A sessions.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:46 PM
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4. Does the Vatican own oil wells somewhere?
I wouldn't put it past them.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:48 PM
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5. And conversely I condemn the Pope for trying to wax scientific
about something he knows next to nothing about.



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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:48 PM
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6. Must...not let...flock...know that that...are having...too many...kids...
Must...repel logic.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:48 PM
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7. Oh, now THERE's a real danger:
not to the point where the welfare of animals and plants was given a greater priority than that of mankind.

Like there is a big precedent of that happening. Sounds like the pope wants to protect his monopoly on dogmatic doom prophesizing...:)
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:50 PM
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9. From the institution that placed Galileo on house arrest for saying we orbit the sun.
Fuck the Catholic Church.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:50 PM
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10. The Pope wants science rather than dogma?
And they're saying this without Catholic heads collectively exploding?

:rofl:
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:50 PM
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11. Delicious irony...
The Pope railing against "Dogma."

Bleh.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:54 PM
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12. Somewhere back in time re Galileo
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE1DA1F31F932A35752C1A964958260

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Moving formally to rectify a wrong, Pope John Paul II acknowledged in a speech today that the Roman Catholic Church had erred in condemning Galileo 359 years ago for asserting that the Earth revolves around the Sun.

The address by the Pope before the Pontifical Academy of Sciences closed a 13-year investigation into the Church's condemnation of Galileo in 1633, one of history's most notorious conflicts between faith and science. Galileo was forced to recant his scientific findings to avoid being burned at the stake and spent the remaining eight years of his life under house arrest.

John Paul said the theologians who condemned Galileo did not recognize the formal distinction between the Bible and its interpretation.

"This led them unduly to transpose into the realm of the doctrine of the faith, a question which in fact pertained to scientific investigation.

Though the Pope acknowledged that the Church had done Galileo a wrong, he said the 17th-century theologians were working with the knowledge available to them at the time.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:00 PM
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13. Well this looks promising for the fight against human induced global warming
come the year 2366.:bounce:


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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:33 AM
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23. "working with the knowledge available to them at the time?"
I'd say more like working with the LACK of knowledge available to them at the time.
Since they couldn't have KNOWN what is not true, they were working on theories they
had at the time, and those were based on convenient mythology. They punished Galileo
for finding out what can be accurately described as a contemporary "inconvenient truth."
Ratzinger, it appears, would do exactly the same.

Plus ça change, as they say...........
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david_vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:03 PM
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14. dumbass n/t
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:14 PM
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15. The idiot believes a book with fucking Revelations in it.
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 05:15 PM by Forkboy
What a maroon.

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:36 PM
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20. Tell me about it. I believe in mythical beings, but not in reality/science
What a hateful piece of crap he is. No wonder people get all pissed off at religions.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:32 PM
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16. they own some islands which are going to go under water
obviously he is in denial about it
or just reassuring the terrified and Irate masses that not to worry

its all nonsense

UNFREAKINGBELIEVABLE
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:35 PM
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17. I think we should just forget about fixing stuff
Just record all the idiots statements and when shit happens, execute the morons who prevented action from happening in time.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:38 PM
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21. couldn't dispose of the bodies fast enough
but I still like the sound of it
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:36 PM
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19. he should take his beads and holy water and crawl back under his rock
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 05:37 PM by frogcycle
dubious ideology indeed! And if the welfare of plants and animals are not given priority trteatment, humankind will end up like the Easter Islanders, having built big stone monuments, cut down all the trees, then starving.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 06:10 PM
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22. Hey Pope, apply the same standard to religion
get back to us after your rigorous analysis is complete
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 07:35 AM
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24. " must be based on firm evidence and not on dubious ideology"
Like Christianity? :hide:
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:32 AM
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25. Who cares what the doddering old fool thinks
I really liked John Paul II, his replacement however...is a complete ASSHAT. Yes Mom.....I know... I'm going to hell now.
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