Breaking on MSNBC: Ike Turner dead. eom

[babylonsister]

[MonkeyFunk]

1. A real bastard

but a genius. Rock and Roll would be very different today without him.

Sad he never achieved any sort of redemption in this life.

[Javaman]

6. yes, a genius indeed.

but a first class dick.

wow, so many rock and roll stars got their start via him.

Is he in the rock and roll hall of fame?

[MonkeyFunk]

10. Yes

he and Tina were inducted as an act. He should've had his own induction, though.

[Javaman]

38. I feel the same way.

His real genius was before tina. Oddly, tina wouldn't have gotten her start without him.

[ronnykmarshall]

11. He did win a Grammy last year.

[rog]

92. 10 minutes of Ike & Tina ...

... as I remember them from the Egyptian Theater, Milwaukee, 1966.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRMi61NkrXY

Well, except for the school girl outfits. (grin)

Great 10 minute set.

Shake
Just A Fool In Love
It's Gonna Work Out Fine (check the "over the top" fingering on the rhythm guitar part in open tuning)
Please, Please, Please
Goodbye, So Long

.rog.

[semillama]

2. TMZ.com has it on the front page:

http://www.tmz.com/

[AspenRose]

3. Cause of death?

Feed the rats por favor

[MonkeyFunk]

4. Only a short blurb

said he may have died in his sleep.

[Deja Q]

29. Only a short blurb killed him?

And in his sleep - he should be so lucky.

[iamthebandfanman]

71. they can be pretty nasty

those short blurbs, i mean

[TomInTib]

5. A true genius. And a real ass.

Thank Dog for sending Ike Turner to us.

[CatWoman]

7. and he's rolling on th river............

[UTUSN]

8. Tina better *NOT* now say he was the love of her life!1 (a la Cher)

You know, how Cher strung us along ever since she broke with Sonny, how she was now not a manipulated puppet, how she was a liberated fully actuated human?!1 Then when he died, there she was saying he was the love of her life AFTER ALL!1 It would have been fine if she hadn't STRUNG US ALONG all those years, if she had said from the beginning that he was an important part of her life that would always be important even if it was time to split up. But, noooo!1

[MonkeyFunk]

12. I don't think Tina will

if she says anything, she'll issue a brief, but very nice, statement. She's a class act.

[Sock Puppet]

37. agreed

[Captain Hilts]

58. Tina picked up from Ella the mantle of 'Coolest Womanin the US'.

No doubt Tina's mom taught her 'if you can't be nice, act nice'.

[MonkeyFunk]

74. Alas

Tina lives in France. Like Ella, she found Europe a more pleasant place.

[racaulk]

63. Totally agree.

[ronnykmarshall]

14. Oh dear .....

I don't think you want to start with me about Cher.

No, don't EVEN think about it.

No, nada, oh no.

If you value not having your ass handed to you on a silver platter you WON'T go there.

I don't advise it.

[MonkeyFunk]

17. LOL

You funny

[ronnykmarshall]

20. I'm on my leash right now.

I don't think I should be taken off the chain.

It won't be pretty.

[Javaman]

40. oh come on, give us a preview. lol nt

[babylonsister]

15. I don't think that will happen; he was very abusive IIRC. nt

[Deja Q]

25. Cher's a phony? Who'd have thunk?

[ronnykmarshall]

43. Um ..... I don't think you're gonna want me to get off the leash.

Oh no. The other one was warned.

[MonkeyFunk]

50. Go Ronny Go!

Go go! Go Ronny go!

[ronnykmarshall]

65. Ok they asked for it.

*Steps up the mike, clears throat, takes a sip of water*

FIRST OFF! As far as I know Cher never said "Sonny was the love of my life". More like that Son was the most important person in her life. She didn't mince words about their marriage either. Sonny met her when she was 16 and was (like Ike) a very smart and gifted musician. Sonny made "Sonny and Cher" because he saw in Cher someone with a rare and "different" type of talent.

Cher was also very shy when it came to performing in public. She didn't want to go on stage w/o Son. AGAIN she was SIXTEEN. So when she says that Sonny controlled her, that's probably not far from the truth. In many ways Sonny was like a father figure to her.

Given the basis of their marriage and professional relationship, it's not a surprise that they split up. Cher was very young and Sonny basically controlled every aspect of her life. I don't recall Cher painting Sonny as some monster as the first person that dared to cross ME and Cher. She has ALWAYS praised Sonny as the man that got her started and with out him she would not have gotten to where is she is now.

ALSO when they split up, they actually still lived together for a while and remained friends. Sonny was there for her when Cher's marriage to Gregg busted up. Cher supported him when he went into politics. Cher also was friends with his wife Suzy and then with his widow Mary.

NOW .... would either of you like to attack her for the eulogy?

Any questions?

*Steps away from mike, takes another sip of water*

[Catherine Vincent]

53. Let's hear it Ronny!

Let it all hang out!!

p.s. May Ike rest in peace.

[racaulk]

62. Do it ronny! Do it!!!

:evilgrin:

[ronnykmarshall]

67. see #65

[AlCzervik]

60. Eeeek! Cher and Dolly Parton always get a pass, both are off limits!

[MonkeyFunk]

61. and that's exactly as it should be

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

78. you suck for posting this

seriously

[UTUSN]

81. Wha??!1 I love Cher and Tina, so where do I get off sucking?!1

I stated my reason for hoping the Cher-Sonny scenario would not be repeated. Something wrong with that?!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

84. Show some respect for the dead

that's all

[UTUSN]

85. Hey, the good or bad we do while living doesn't get erased by dying. n/t

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

89. whatever you say

:eyes:

[MonkeyFunk]

83. Tina declined to comment

“Tina is aware that Ike passed away earlier today. She has not had any contact with him in 35 years. No further comment will be made,” said her spokeswoman, Michele Schweitzer.

[edbermac]

86. That statement certainly speaks volumes.

:spank:

[Ron Green]

9. I'm not sure he was "a genius," but he was surely

a shitty guitar player.

[Javaman]

41. His genius wasn't in playing, it was in producing. nt

[Manifestor_of_Light]

13. Tina is classy. Not so for Ike. Good she got away from him and became a superstar.

[Captain Hilts]

59. Reason #347 to love Tina: Living well is the best revenge. Go, girl! nt

[DS1]

16. DU is the only place I've heard this guy being called anything but a wife-beating bastard

piece of shit.

All this 'genius' talk about him is certainly new to me.

[MonkeyFunk]

People can be mixed bags

he was an incredible music producer.

[Neecy]

22. I don't agree....

The best recording made in the Ike and Tina years was "River Deep, Mountain High" and that was produced by Phil Spector.

[MonkeyFunk]

26. So?

that doesn't detract from the incredible music that Ike produced.

I was a HUGE fan of Ike and Tina Turner, and they made a LOT of fantastic music, most of which Ike produced.

[Javaman]

46. Read up on the music and people he produced way before

there ever was a thought of an "ike and tina".

[ronnykmarshall]

47. Oh don't know about that.

I love "River Deep" as well. In fact I think it's one of the best singles ever recorded.

But "Proud Mary", "Take You Higher" .... great stuff Ike and Tina did.

[CatWoman]

18. Tina was the true talent in that pairing

[DS1]

21. I don't agree with all the slobbering over his musical career

[jaysunb]

24. Wrong...

Ike was responsible for Tina ( Anna Mae ) being. Period. He was a star long before she showed up. That's why HE went to the Hall of Fame without her. He was one of the founders of the genre.(rock & roll ) His contributions are well documented. Check him out.

And another thing, I knew these people back before Tina went her own way, and I think she really owes him a bigger apology than she already gave for defaming him as she did. ( she now claims the ghost writer and screen writers were responsible.) She was a hellian herself, that was just as likely to start a fight w/ Ike or anybody else she felt like....she was pretty tough too.LOL !

Of course it'a always fun to have a villan, but some of us are old enough to know the facts.

Happy Holidays ! :hi:

[Deja Q]

32. Wow

I knew Ike was already in the biz, and had found Tina - I did not know she had ghost writers embellishing things for the sake of a story.

Thanks for the input; I'll check things out, but Ike still was underrated - whose personal issues with Tina will dog him regardless of the whole truth, never mind the talents he blessed the world with. (He could do more than hit women, he could hit the charts.)

[jaysunb]

45. Like I said...

Our culture requires villains.

What most here are too young or forgetful to acknowledge is back in those days (50's & 60's) kicking your wifes ass didn't have the same effect. It happened all the time. Women could take it or fight back. Most just took it. Anna Mae did not. That caused a cluster fuck between them. the cocaine didn't help.

There are facts and there are books and movies. :evilgrin:

[CatWoman]

64. all I know is

I never threw my back out dancing to an Ike Turner tune. :P

[MonkeyFunk]

76. slight correction

Ike was never inducted in the Hall of Fame on his own. He should've been, though.

[Deja Q]

31. I wholly agree and don't let anyone dissuade you.

A long time fan of their music, both are formidable entities in the music industry. His guitar work is BETTER than Hendrix (for one thing, Ike used a real guitar) and he knew the perfect voice and style to add. Ike and Tina, as a pair, were only beaten by the Beatles. And even then, Ike and Tina remained fresh while the Beatles slowly got stale.

He was a real pig towards her in their personal relationship, but on a professional level they are badly underrated.

If only he wasn't such a pig; no doubt every DUer would sing praises and more.

[Blue-Jay]

35. "Genius" is probably overstating it.

He (with Tina) made a significant contribution to the art of music, but he was no genius.

And he was also a wife-beating bastard.

I'm not gonna cry any tears over that mean SOB, but I'm not going to try to diminish his musical contributions either.

[MonkeyFunk]

39. I spent much of my formative musical years

listening to Ike and Tina - I had every album of theirs I could find.

I consider him a genius.

[ronnykmarshall]

49. I also liked to dance like the Ikettes.

[Blue-Jay]

57. I prefer the Raylettes.

Then again, in order to be a Raylette, you had to "let Ray".

[ronnykmarshall]

66. Love them too

I know a former Raylette, Susaye Green. She's also the LAST official Supreme.

[Blue-Jay]

69. That's awesome, Ronny!

I know an original "Drell", from Archie Bell & the Drells. Played with him a few times...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tjVQOYdHcgo

[ronnykmarshall]

70. Oh my god ..... that's VERY awsome!

[Blue-Jay]

52. Perhaps.

That's not a point that's important enough for me to argue. His influence on modern music is undeniable, but I like to save the "genius" moniker for special occasions. Perhaps he was just a drunken, abusive savant of some sort. (Too many influential musicians fall into this category.)

Debating semantics is not something in which I care to engage. It's a matter of where you position your goalposts, I suppose.

[Javaman]

48. His genius wasn't in playing, it was in producing that took place

long before there was a Tina.

[Blue-Jay]

54. Correct.

I just don't like throwing out the word "genius" willy-nilly.

[Javaman]

44. read up on rock and roll history.

the guy was a first class asshole, but he was a genius when it came to producing music.

he is probably responsible for the majority of the rock sound in the late 40's and early 50's.

[OzarkDem]

79. Nah, he was a POS

No redeeming qualities.

[mitchum]

93. So we who are aware of his importance should be faulted for your ignorance?

That's absurd

[alfredo]

19. a bastard, but fine musican

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Nz5U9DHjA&feature=related

[Beelzebud]

23. Strangers....

Die every day.

[J-Lo Biafra]

27. So do plants. But my ficus didn't perform on "Rocket '88."

[jaysunb]

34. Whoa !

Somebody around here as old as me ...:rofl:

[Javaman]

51. I'm glad to see someone on here has a sense of history.

everyone goes on about how much ike was a dickhead (yes he was) but he was producing music long before tina came along.

People think "rock and roll" started with elvis. ugh.

no one bothers to listen to music from the HOY HOY era...1946-1954.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

80. The link is Sam Phillips who produced both Ike and Elvis at the Memphis Recording Service aka Sun

Records.

[MonkeyFunk]

55. Ike didn't just perform on it

he wrote it.

[ronnykmarshall]

68. Rocket 88!

Which is considered the "first" rock and roll song. Ike never got credit for that.

[edbermac]

28. Quote from Ike on IMDB

"One of two things happen when you hit a woman. Either she heads for the door or she's all yours."

What a charmer.

[Deja Q]

30. Callous, cynical, but not psychologically incorrect.

He was probably a slave owner in a previous life.

[YOY]

33. Ugh...I'd prefer she kicked his ass or put a bullet in his leg

n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

36. I imagine Tina threw a few punches of her own

[YOY]

42. Aye, I bet she did...but not enough to clean the stupid out of his mind.

At least the stupid part that made that quote.

Damn...now you've got me speaking ill of the dead...I usually reserve that for televangelists...

[Javaman]

56. here's a link on his life.

http://www.jeffosretromusic.com/ike.html

[B Calm]

72. I thought he died years ago...

[Kolesar]

73. I doubt if I would recognize one of his songs

They were in the hit rotation but I was not buying the recordings whenever that was.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

75. "Hitler Loved His Dogs"...

...and Ike wrote some memorable songs. He also transformed Annie Mae Bullock into Tuna Turner and the world became a better place for it. Sadly, Ike's legacy will also include less admirable moments, as expressed in his own words from E! Online's obit:

In his 2001 autobiography, Taking Back My Name, Ike admitted to slapping his wife around and to "times when I punched her to the ground without thinking. But I never beat her," he wrote.

While her solo career soared, his unraveled, largely fueled by a taste for drugs.

He spent 18 month behind bars between 1990 and 1991 for possessing and transporting cocaine, during which he missed his and Tina's induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

But Turner seemed to have turned things. He claimed to have kicked the booze and drugs and, in 2001, reemerged with the critical lauded, Grammy-nominated Here and Now. His 2006 release, Risin' with the Blues, earned him his best reviews since his Tina-partnering heyday and won a Grammy for Best Traditional Blues Album earlier this year.



http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=da25191a-2c3c-4910-b52b-c8f901c101e4&sid=fd-news

[chaplainM]

77. old Letterman bookmobile gag

...featured Ike's response to Tina's book, titled, "Womans Be Thinkin' too Much."

[HEyHEY]

82. Meh

[mulsh]

87. my personal interaction with Ike was always positive.

I don't have any doubts about Ike beating Tina, but we've really only heard one side of their story. and their story occurred over 30 years ago.
The Ike & Tina Turner Review used to play in a club near my parent's house. Bands used to let some of us kids help them load in. Of all the bands that did so one of the nicest group of people were the Review. Ike was always very nice to me personally and the other kids too. Maybe it was because he got his start lugging Muddy Water's amp around. Tina was also very nice and the Ikettes were out of this world as I remember.

So, um anyway, that's how one of the few posters who actually had a little interaction with Ike and Tina away from the stage I just wanted to post something positive about him.

[MonkeyFunk]

90. Thanks for sharing that, Mulsh

How cool! You met Ike, Tina and the Ikettes! I'm jealous!

[vireo]

91. Thanks for the reminiscence

Did you get to listen to the bands perform? B-)

[MilesColtrane]

88. So, he's a Non-Operating Thetan now...?

How does that work?