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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:36 PM
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NO TAX plan is the fairest tax plan
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 02:38 PM by grahamhgreen
May I suggest the NO TAX plan which eliminates all income taxes on people earning under, say, 1 million/year.

Revenues are generated, mostly, from taxes on corporations and the wealthy, who are currently not paying their fair share, yet can afford to.

Other revenues will come from from tarrifs and existent sources.

THIS IS HOW WE USED TO COLLECT REVENUE!

We will be facing increased pressure from Republicans to accept the "FAIR TAX", which will increase taxes on people like you and I.

The Dems should come back at the with the NO TAX, plan, something 90% of us will love.

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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:37 PM
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1. I don't see this as working
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:41 PM
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3. It can work, as that is the way taxes used to be collected.
Also, it's a great democratic response to the bogus "Fair tax, which will suck.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:40 PM
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2. This is exactly Ron Paul's proposal. It could work if we pull back our troops from 130 countries. nt
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:41 PM
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4. If you do that, you must completely dismantle funding for public education, health care, etc.
It's not revenue neutral. By that, I mean if it's imposed the amount of revenue generated would probably be less than before, meaning there must be cuts to government programs, programs that help people.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:47 PM
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6. Yes, it could be revenue neutral, the country ran fine under this system until the 1900's
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:49 PM
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7. But that was before Social Security and Medicare and the New Deal.
How do you propose to fund that with an older tax scheme that didn't fund those programs that have helped make life better for tens of millions of people?
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:55 PM
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8. 1) No expansionist froiegn policy 2) Increased taxes on Corp's / Uber-rich
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:56 PM
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9. when the government provided what exactly? NT
jkh
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:09 PM
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11. Hospitals, poorshouses, roads, security, protection of civil liberties, courts, emergency aid, etc.
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:45 PM
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5. Never going to happen.
Our elected officials get elected by raising money from big money donors like the extremely wealthy and are bought off by big corporate interest. They will never bite the hand that feeds them, instead they would rather tax those who can least afford it while protecting their cronies from having to feel the burden of taxation.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:56 PM
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10. And a woman or a black man will never be president.
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:06 PM
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16. Hardly, the wealthy could care less what color or sex their elected official is.
They only care if they are going to raise their taxes or cost them money. Remember the 1993 Clinton health care plan, Hillary was demonized by the health care industry for that and today she is their darling. They are not dumping money into her campaign because they liked her 1993 proposal, they are dumping that money in so that once she gets elected she won't bring it back.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:09 PM
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12. I WANT to contribute to my country through taxes
That's how I serve it, and that's how I have a voice. I don't want the charity of millionaires, and I don't want them to be the only ones with a stake in how this country runs.

What a regressive idea yours is. The progressive income tax system is the backbone of our democracy. Make the wealthy and corporations pay more of their share, but don't tell me I can't contribute.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:20 PM
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13. You will contribute, income tax is only one of many taxes that you pay.
with this we can eliminate having to collect taxes on hundreds of millions of people which is a huge tax savings in itself.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:32 PM
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14. Query
How can the progressive income tax system be the backbone of our democracy when we had no income tax at all until the 20th century? What was the backbone of our system for the first 140 years when there was no income tax?

The tax code is a means of control over your freedom and liberty. It is behavior modification. No politician is going to voluntarily end the income tax.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:33 PM
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15. contribute
You are always free to write a check to the government to contribute. Taxes don't give you a voice. Being a citizen gives you a voice.
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